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  1. Superdupont 2_0's Avatar
    Maybe in some way this is a problem too. The build quality is too good, and people are hanging on to their phones longer. . .

    Posted via CB10
    I don't consider this a problem at all.

    I don't want a new phone every 2 years, it's a waste of resources.
    My computer is + 5 years old and Microsoft is still around (until 2020, they will be dead by 2023).

    Okay, I get a new phone every two years, because I don't want to change my old Vodafone plan, but that's another story.
    01-17-17 10:02 AM
  2. Emaderton3's Avatar
    I don't consider this a problem at all.

    I don't want a new phone every 2 years, it's a waste of resources.
    My computer is + 5 years old and Microsoft is still around (until 2020, they will be dead by 2023).

    Okay, I get a new phone every two years, because I don't want to change my old Vodafone plan, but that's another story.
    I am the same way. And I would imagine most companies have a similar view in order to keep costs down which would further reduce potential new purchases.

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    01-17-17 10:11 AM
  3. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    And security needs updates too! And BlackBerry has said BlackBerry Androids will be just as secure as BlackBerry 10 phones soon.

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    If you listen closely haven't made that statement in some time, unless I missed it. The last official statement I saw on this matter was that BB10 is still more secure than BlackBerry Android. They said that they would transition existing BB10 users to BlackBerry Android when the latter was as secure as BB10. But who gets to decide when BlackBerry Android is as secure as BB10, BlackBerry or those users? I'm betting the users get to make that determination. That being the case BlackBerry is facing a point in time when those enterprise users who will not accept Android or iOS as a secure solution even when protected by a BlackBerry MDM solution need/want to upgrade their phones. At that point they could just walk away from those customers, but at this point it certainly doesn't look like that is something they are looking forward to doing.

    I don't try to predict the future, but it looks like there are three possible outcomes:
    1. Convince these security sensitive users that they have secured Android
    2. Continue to support BB10 at a level acceptable to these users (if not consumers and CB faithful)
    3. Walk away and let some other company service those accounts.
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    01-17-17 10:18 AM
  4. kvndoom's Avatar
    I don't try to predict the future, but it looks like there are three possible outcomes:
    1. Convince these security sensitive users that they have secured Android
    2. Continue to support BB10 at a level acceptable to these users (if not consumers and CB faithful)
    3. Walk away and let some other company service those accounts.
    At some point the hardware will fail, which presents a real problem since BB cannot make a new BB10 phone without all new hardware since the internals have been discontinued. Knowing this, it's easy to understand why they would want to nudge customers to a new different platform.

    If we ever do see a new, 3rd party built BB10 phone, it will almost surely be in the DTEK vein where it's practically a clone of an existing Android slab but with a different OS on it. That way the hardware manufacturer doesn't have to invest in new tooling; their largest investments will be the drivers and marketing/distribution. The odds of another PKB BB10 phone are impossibly low.
    01-17-17 10:47 AM
  5. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I am the same way. And I would imagine most companies have a similar view in order to keep costs down which would further reduce potential new purchases.

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    Agree.... back in the 90's we were upgrading PC every two years. In the 2000's we had some that went ten years before we replaced them.

    Even with the move from 3G or slower networks to LTE... many haven't seen a need to upgrade their phones. BUT, when they do replace them.... they aren't afraid to buy the best. Very few people I know still get company issued phones... but those that do, are using today's flagships. Because in this market, Carrier's still offer large companies discounts and subsidies on hardware. Brand new iPhone might be $200 (or free), but the company believe that phone will last a good number of years. Maybe a $400 retail phone that would be free for them might save them a few dollars... but it's not worth the shortened life cycle due to lesser hardware or shorter update cycle.
    01-17-17 10:48 AM
  6. elfabio80's Avatar
    If you listen closely haven't made that statement in some time, unless I missed it. The last official statement I saw on this matter was that BB10 is still more secure than BlackBerry Android. They said that they would transition existing BB10 users to BlackBerry Android when the latter was as secure as BB10. But who gets to decide when BlackBerry Android is as secure as BB10, BlackBerry or those users? I'm betting the users get to make that determination. That being the case BlackBerry is facing a point in time when those enterprise users who will not accept Android or iOS as a secure solution even when protected by a BlackBerry MDM solution need/want to upgrade their phones. At that point they could just walk away from those customers, but at this point it certainly doesn't look like that is something they are looking forward to doing.

    I don't try to predict the future, but it looks like there are three possible outcomes:
    1. Convince these security sensitive users that they have secured Android
    2. Continue to support BB10 at a level acceptable to these users (if not consumers and CB faithful)
    3. Walk away and let some other company service those accounts.
    .....and it is sad to see that no one among the journalists or specialists ask them an update on what's the level of security of their android....or how is proceeding the securing of Android...
    01-17-17 10:56 AM
  7. Emaderton3's Avatar
    If you listen closely haven't made that statement in some time, unless I missed it. The last official statement I saw on this matter was that BB10 is still more secure than BlackBerry Android. They said that they would transition existing BB10 users to BlackBerry Android when the latter was as secure as BB10. But who gets to decide when BlackBerry Android is as secure as BB10, BlackBerry or those users? I'm betting the users get to make that determination. That being the case BlackBerry is facing a point in time when those enterprise users who will not accept Android or iOS as a secure solution even when protected by a BlackBerry MDM solution need/want to upgrade their phones. At that point they could just walk away from those customers, but at this point it certainly doesn't look like that is something they are looking forward to doing.

    I don't try to predict the future, but it looks like there are three possible outcomes:
    1. Convince these security sensitive users that they have secured Android
    2. Continue to support BB10 at a level acceptable to these users (if not consumers and CB faithful)
    3. Walk away and let some other company service those accounts.
    I believe it will be when Nougat comes out combined with the additions BlackBerry brings to their phones.

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    01-17-17 11:30 AM
  8. anon(2313227)'s Avatar
    Take the black pill, all these talks about pills is making me flash back to playing Mission Thunderbolt and figuring out what pill does what.
    01-17-17 11:34 AM
  9. conite's Avatar
    BlackBerry specifically said that BlackBerry hardened Nougat will have security-parity with BB10.
    01-17-17 11:37 AM
  10. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    I think the article is click-bait and the OP is a drive-by.
    However, I am always up for a discussion of BB10's "future".
    01-17-17 11:39 AM
  11. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Regarding OP and BB10, wouldn't term "eulogy" be more appropriate.
    01-17-17 12:43 PM
  12. markmall's Avatar
    BB10 surviving has about the same odds as Donald Trump getting elected US president. That is to say zero according to every expert on the matter.

    Sometimes reality is less predictable than experts believe it is.

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    01-17-17 01:06 PM
  13. markmall's Avatar
    But these are all weasel words in this article. BlackBerry seems bent on deceiving consumers so that they can unload the rest of their bb10 inventory.

    Posted via CB10
    01-17-17 01:12 PM
  14. Halifax Guy's Avatar
    But these are all weasel words in this article. BlackBerry seems bent on deceiving consumers so that they can unload the rest of their bb10 inventory.

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    Are you saying that what they are have said and are saying is akin to any government official?

    Posted using a Q10, 10.3.2.2474.
    01-17-17 01:39 PM
  15. DrBoomBotz's Avatar
    BB10 surviving has about the same odds as Donald Trump getting elected US president. That is to say zero according to every expert on the matter.

    Sometimes reality is less predictable than experts believe it is.

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    More like Sarah Palin getting elected President.
    01-17-17 01:48 PM
  16. markmall's Avatar
    Are you saying that what they are have said and are saying is akin to any government official?

    Posted using a Q10, 10.3.2.2474.
    I think there are parallels to slimy politicians if that is what you mean. He is misleading because I agree with everyone else that they are just selling off inventory and won't do anything else.

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    01-17-17 02:05 PM
  17. conite's Avatar
    I think there are parallels to slimy politicians if that is what you mean. He is misleading because I agree with everyone else that they are just selling off inventory and won't do anything else.

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    Do you think Chen knows what's on the website? Further, do you think Chen even knows what Link is?
    01-17-17 02:07 PM
  18. anon(4243545)'s Avatar
    BB 10 smartphones couldn't sell because of a severe lack of apps and advertising. Today the lack of apps is even bigger than it was in 2013. Now, it's a simple syllogism (in law we call them "rebuttable presuntions"): if the phone didn't sell because of this, how can it manage to make decent sales (even if they come out with a high-end BB 10 with, say, a 12 cores CPU, 12 GB of RAM and 4K screen, sold at 200$) if the aforementioned condition is still present? It cannot, I presume. And how can it get apps if it doesn't sell enough? Again, there's no solution. People keep forgetting that this is the carbon copy of PC market: Windows like Android, Apple... like Apple, Linux a has very low shares (just like Windows Phone). See, BB OS 10 is the Solaris of smartphones OSes.
    BB OS 10 is dead, stop: no phones for almost two years, no apps, no anything. And so will soon be Windows Phone too (Continuum wasn't a selling point, so even x86 on ARM won't save it).
    Last edited by Power Mac; 01-17-17 at 02:41 PM.
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    01-17-17 02:15 PM
  19. Richard Buckley's Avatar
    I believe it will be when Nougat comes out combined with the additions BlackBerry brings to their phones.

    Posted via CB10
    Then we should see the transition start shortly. Certainly when the Mercury ships. We shall see then.

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    01-17-17 03:46 PM
  20. thurask's Avatar
    Did you just eat both pills and a couple more you found on the coffee table?
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    01-17-17 03:49 PM
  21. EFats's Avatar
    I am the same way. And I would imagine most companies have a similar view in order to keep costs down which would further reduce potential new purchases.

    Posted via CB10
    I've worked in and with several large companies. They move slow with regards to equipment. Last place I was at, we started the transition of WinXP around 2015 (and this was part of a very large company, one of the top patent filers in the US). At my current company, multi-billion dollar revenue, big well known supplier in the electronics biz, we are just starting to migrate people off the Thinkpad 410's.
    Google that. Those pre-date any BB10 devices if I'm not mistaken. Pre-dates even the 9900

    Good industrial,business equipment is built to last (I can easily compare my business router vs all those consumer routers I've had) and businesses are loathe to spend money unless they really have to. I would not be surprised if some companies are only now thinking of replacing the early BB10 devices that they might have acquired.

    Does it mean BB10 has a future? Dunno. I know that these marketing guys are always talking marketing junk but that they're still spouting the "same" message is positive to me. It might be dead, but at least it's not dead Dead :-)

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    01-17-17 03:58 PM
  22. aullak's Avatar
    Why don't they make BB10 an open source to increase development?

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    01-17-17 04:32 PM
  23. curves2000's Avatar
    In a lot of ways the high level of build quality for a lot of BlackBerry devices was a little bit of a detriment from a consumer perspective.

    In the industry I work which is finance, I can't tell you how many people I would see with 5 year old Curves or Bold 9000's and comparing those to brand new iphones and the latest Samsung. They would look at their corporate issued phone and say "why can't I download that app, or use this or that service" when they compared their devices to friends.

    From an enterprise perspective, the long last quality of the phones made them cost efficient for companies but it frustrated the users.

    A lot of companies are or were on BlackBerry 7 devices up until 2016 which made a modern smartphone like BlackBerry 10, less successful since the uptick wasn't as good as it could have been.

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    01-17-17 04:35 PM
  24. thurask's Avatar
    Why don't they make BB10 an open source to increase development?

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    In order to have open source software that's loadable on a consumer device, they'd have to either divulge their signing keys or unlock the bootloader to allow unsigned code, neither of which will happen.
    01-17-17 04:38 PM
  25. eshropshire's Avatar
    I've worked in and with several large companies. They move slow with regards to equipment. Last place I was at, we started the transition of WinXP around 2015 (and this was part of a very large company, one of the top patent filers in the US). At my current company, multi-billion dollar revenue, big well known supplier in the electronics biz, we are just starting to migrate people off the Thinkpad 410's.
    Google that. Those pre-date any BB10 devices if I'm not mistaken. Pre-dates even the 9900

    Good industrial,business equipment is built to last (I can easily compare my business router vs all those consumer routers I've had) and businesses are loathe to spend money unless they really have to. I would not be surprised if some companies are only now thinking of replacing the early BB10 devices that they might have acquired.

    Does it mean BB10 has a future? Dunno. I know that these marketing guys are always talking marketing junk but that they're still spouting the "same" message is positive to me. It might be dead, but at least it's not dead Dead :-)

    Posted via CB10
    The problem is that the uptake in corporations on BB10 was small. As stated many companies held onto BBOS to see how BB10 was going to mature. Given all of the uncertainty surrounding BlackBerry in 2013 and beyond, few IT leaders were willing to bet their jobs on BB10.
    01-17-17 05:35 PM
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