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  1. eshropshire's Avatar
    That's true that there is no BlackBerry OS phones now but to keep BlackBerry's ego the company have to create a new BB os phone to keep the OS running which is a fantastic OS. Android in a BlackBerry phone looks like a pirated CD. Aside profits there are many ways for BlackBerry to make money but they should be proud for the BlackBerry OS they have made.

    Is there any way to appeal at BlackBerry for this? Can we make any survey or like that to approach at the BlackBerry for keeping live the beautiful OS? Can we contribute (hahaha, I know the amount will be like 'pinch of salt in sea')?
    Can't imagine how to keep this OS alive!!

    Posted via CB10
    Blackberry has left the hardware business. They no longer make or sell phones. BlackBerry Mobile / TCL have an exclusive license to build and sell BlackBerry phones for most of the world. TCL is only interested in selling BlackBerry Android phones.
    06-20-17 01:11 PM
  2. DonHB's Avatar
    Blackberry has left the hardware business. They no longer make or sell phones. BlackBerry Mobile / TCL have an exclusive license to build and sell BlackBerry phones for most of the world. TCL is only interested in selling BlackBerry Android phones.
    I would be happy to have an up-to-date unbranded BB10 device. They still advertise BB10 on their website, there must be a reason.

    BlackBerry could survey the market of existing devices and pick one VKB (KEYone not likely a good choice) to put in BB10. No hardware R&D and mostly driver development and software Q&A.

    They prove themselves as a software company by using someone else's hardware design. Make this portable OS version 10.3.4 fulfilling their promise.

    In two years repeat when TCL may have a suitable PKB or remove advertisement for BB10 from their website).
    06-20-17 01:46 PM
  3. conite's Avatar
    I would be happy to have an up-to-date unbranded BB10 device. They still advertise BB10 on their website, there must be a reason.

    BlackBerry could survey the market of existing devices and pick one VKB (KEYone not likely a good choice) to put in BB10. No hardware R&D and mostly driver development and software Q&A.

    They prove themselves as a software company by using someone else's hardware design. Make this portable OS version 10.3.4 fulfilling their promise.

    In two years repeat when TCL may have a suitable PKB or remove advertisement for BB10 from their website).
    However, as we all know now from previous discussions on the matter, BlackBerry will not spend a dime on it - drivers are expensive / it would be costly to extract the Runtime - and no one would buy it anyway.
    06-20-17 01:50 PM
  4. johnny_bravo72's Avatar
    No.
    What about a...
    Dare I say it...
    PETITION???
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    06-20-17 02:10 PM
  5. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Regarding the BB10 OS, if you love it for what it does, use it now, while its still great and phones are olentiful and cheap. Nothing lasts forever, but you should get another 1-3 great years for all native functions.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
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    06-20-17 02:15 PM
  6. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    What about a...
    Dare I say it...
    PETITION???
    At the risk of repeating myself…

    No.
    06-20-17 02:28 PM
  7. DonHB's Avatar
    However, as we all know now from previous discussions on the matter, BlackBerry will not spend a dime on it - drivers are expensive / it would be costly to extract the Runtime - and no one would buy it anyway.
    Why then is BlackBerry advertising BB10 on their website?
    06-20-17 09:53 PM
  8. conite's Avatar
    Why then is BlackBerry advertising BB10 on their website?
    Because they haven't changed it since they ran out of stock?
    06-20-17 10:22 PM
  9. kvndoom's Avatar
    Why then is BlackBerry advertising BB10 on their website?
    Selling support software (which is what a software company does) and making new phones (which isn't what a software company does) aren't exactly the same thing.
    06-21-17 11:09 AM
  10. co4nd's Avatar
    Why then is BlackBerry advertising BB10 on their website?
    Because it hints that they have expertise in mobile operating systems. Though the reality is the let most of that expertise go, and I doubt they mention that.
    06-21-17 11:17 AM
  11. DonHB's Avatar
    Selling support software (which is what a software company does) and making new phones (which isn't what a software company does) aren't exactly the same thing.
    I never suggested BlackBerry make new phones only how a software company could get their software into devices when the licensing route is clearly not an option:

    BlackBerry would chose from devices soon to be or are already on the market benefiting from third parties' hardware R&D and the cost benefits of volume production of hardware that is targeted to Android buyers.

    BlackBerry is a software company after all and would do the software R&D and QA to get BB10 working on the chosen third party device. This would likely include new boot firmware to support hardware root of trust on Snapdragon SoCs.

    These devices with BB10 would be ordered and sold direct to customers by BlackBerry. These BB10 devices would not be BlackBerry branded anymore than Samsung Galaxy devices are Android branded.
    06-21-17 05:41 PM
  12. eshropshire's Avatar
    I never suggested BlackBerry make new phones only how a software company could get their software into devices when the licensing route is clearly not an option:

    BlackBerry would chose from devices soon to be or are already on the market benefiting from third parties' hardware R&D and the cost benefits of volume production of hardware that is targeted to Android buyers.

    BlackBerry is a software company after all and would do the software R&D and QA to get BB10 working on the chosen third party device. This would likely include new boot firmware to support hardware root of trust on Snapdragon SoCs.

    These devices with BB10 would be ordered and sold direct to customers by BlackBerry. These BB10 devices would not be BlackBerry branded anymore than Samsung Galaxy devices are Android branded.
    But BlackBerry Limited does not sell hardware. They no longer have a systems or sales force to sell the hardware. The biggest question about your post is why would they want to sell phones. It took BlackBerry years to finally sell off their old BB10 inventory. They lost a lot of money on BB10, why would they be successful now?
    06-21-17 06:10 PM
  13. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    I am certain that if you gave BlackBerry management $10 billion tomorrow to do anything they wanted, building more phones wouldn't Crack the top 20 list of ideas.

    In 2017 there are much better things for BlackBerry to invest in in industries that are growing a lot faster than mobile phones.

    Posted with my trusty Z10
    06-21-17 07:14 PM
  14. DonHB's Avatar
    But BlackBerry Limited does not sell hardware. They no longer have a systems or sales force to sell the hardware. The biggest question about your post is why would they want to sell phones. It took BlackBerry years to finally sell off their old BB10 inventory. They lost a lot of money on BB10, why would they be successful now?
    The idea here is to focus on the pivot to software by reselling other companies' device designs.
    06-22-17 12:21 AM
  15. conite's Avatar
    The idea here is to focus on the pivot to software by reselling other companies' device designs.
    You are asking for two things that are impossible: BlackBerry spending even another nickel on BB10, and significant numbers of customers suddenly becoming interested in a dead platform.
    06-22-17 12:29 AM
  16. mm2061's Avatar
    You are asking for two things that are impossible: BlackBerry spending even another nickel on BB10, and significant numbers of customers suddenly becoming interested in a dead platform.
    Ok you got some reason but the bb10 remain the best platform on the market...IOS is just trying to emulate all made by BlackBerry ( by ex. No touch button..., multitasking etc) . JC should think before make anything. He is a big manager but perhaps he should think to another deal. Android is not the solution...IMHO ...and bb10 also just dead if they should make some native app and extend the development system to other languages like java or. .Net....at at finally make a decent advertising campaign now we have all without compromise.
    But this is an other history...

    Posted via CB10
    06-22-17 02:43 AM
  17. Emaderton3's Avatar
    Ok you got some reason but the bb10 remain the best platform on the market...IOS is just trying to emulate all made by BlackBerry ( by ex. No touch button..., multitasking etc) . JC should think before make anything. He is a big manager but perhaps he should think to another deal. Android is not the solution...IMHO ...and bb10 also just dead if they should make some native app and extend the development system to other languages like java or. .Net....at at finally make a decent advertising campaign now we have all without compromise.
    But this is an other history...

    Posted via CB10
    BB10 has been available for licensing. Nobody wants it.

    Posted via CB10
    06-22-17 08:40 AM
  18. stlabrat's Avatar
    They lost a lot of money on BB10, why would they be successful now?
    they didn't lost a lot of money on BB10 (hardware and software), they lost on marketing and all the commitment they made to the carrier, 3rd party vendor, etc. (just check the items at the time Chen take over = 1st year quarterly report which one is the largest items that took 40%). it is jaw dropping. IMHO...
    06-22-17 12:28 PM
  19. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    they didn't lost a lot of money on BB10 (hardware and software), they lost on marketing and all the commitment they made to the carrier, 3rd party vendor, etc. (just check the items at the time Chen take over = 1st year quarterly report which one is the largest items that took 40%). it is jaw dropping. IMHO...
    That's why they stopped advertising BlackBerry Hardware BBOS/BB10 when John Chen started running BlackBerry Original. The spending levels were unsustainable.
    06-22-17 03:10 PM
  20. eshropshire's Avatar
    The idea here is to focus on the pivot to software by reselling other companies' device designs.
    They would still be selling hardware, does not matter who designs the phones. BlackBerry is out of the hardware business. They no longer have any of the infrastructure to sell phones. They also don't have any one o BB10. Why would they move engineers off profitable products to put them on a product that never made money?

    I still don't understand why you think BlackBerry would want to sell phones again. What is in it for BlackBerry?
    06-22-17 05:23 PM
  21. bb10adopter111's Avatar
    Selling products in the consumer space is so completely different from what RIM was good at. They were a secure messaging service sold to enterprises, and the handsets were just the endpoint.

    Once BYOD started, and BlackBerry had to function like Apple, Samsung, LG, etc., selling and servicing individual consumers through multiple retail channels instead of fleet/carrier sales, they were in a hopeless position against those behemoths.

    It doesn't matter who manufactures the phones. BlackBerry should NOT try to sell them!

    Going back to that business would be like moving back in with an abusive spouse after getting a divorce and getting established in a new city!



    Posted with my trusty Z10
    Last edited by bb10adopter111; 06-22-17 at 07:17 PM.
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    06-22-17 06:58 PM
  22. app_Developer's Avatar
    The idea here is to focus on the pivot to software by reselling other companies' device designs.
    This is not the software to which they are pivoting.

    Software is a scale business. Most of the costs are fixed. So your ability to make a profit in any software business is highly scale dependent.

    So how many of these BB10 re-runs do you think they would actually sell?
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    06-22-17 07:26 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    Plus "reselling other companies' device designs" requires the entire distribution, marketing, sales, and support infrastructure to be completely rebuilt. Ludicrous.
    06-22-17 07:41 PM
  24. DonHB's Avatar
    This is not the software to which they are pivoting.
    It would be interesting to know how much of BB10 is in their Radar device. QNX's Wireless Framework, Bluetooth, Acoustics, and Apps and Media may also be sharing code from BB10.
    06-22-17 10:35 PM
  25. DonHB's Avatar
    Plus "reselling other companies' device designs" requires the entire distribution, marketing, sales, and support infrastructure to be completely rebuilt. Ludicrous.
    That approach had BlackBerry right off $1 billion. I am suggesting something different.
    06-22-17 10:36 PM
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