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  1. kkoo's Avatar
    Still don't understand why common users neeeed updates... what's wrong with the deal you got right now? Damn thing is pretty rock solid out of the box. You need an update because ___________?

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    07-06-16 10:43 PM
  2. anon(9353145)'s Avatar
    Still don't understand why common users neeeed updates... what's wrong with the deal you got right now? Damn thing is pretty rock solid out of the box. You need an update because ___________?

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    That's true of most common users on all platforms in my experience. Most of my friends use iPhones and I always hear from them when they get a notification for an update, lol.
    07-06-16 10:48 PM
  3. kkoo's Avatar
    I've worked with several OSes since the Win 3.1 era. Got an interesting datapoint to share with you.

    Every single time I chose to update things in the modern era, my OS deteriorated over time, regardless of the platform. Whenever I left the stock build alone, did not do updates, and only installed components as needed (and that too with strict control of OS modifications), my OS stayed fresh and crisp all the time, and the GUI always without lag.

    As an engineer who ships real products, it's been counter intuitive to not update my OSes, but I've maintained a sane work environment across multiple platforms for years by following good discipline.

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    07-06-16 11:02 PM
  4. anon(9353145)'s Avatar
    I've worked with several OSes since the Win 3.1 era. Got an interesting datapoint to share with you.

    Every single time I chose to update things in the modern era, my OS deteriorated over time, regardless of the platform. Whenever I left the stock build alone, did not do updates, and only installed components as needed (and that too with strict control of OS modifications), my OS stayed fresh and crisp all the time, and the GUI always without lag.

    As an engineer who ships real products, it's been counter intuitive to not update my OSes, but I've maintained a sane work environment across multiple platforms for years by following good discipline.

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    Oh, I couldn't agree more about waiting to update. I learned the same lesson a few years ago.
    07-06-16 11:57 PM
  5. Elephant_Canyon's Avatar
    I've worked with several OSes since the Win 3.1 era. Got an interesting datapoint to share with you.

    Every single time I chose to update things in the modern era, my OS deteriorated over time, regardless of the platform. Whenever I left the stock build alone, did not do updates, and only installed components as needed (and that too with strict control of OS modifications), my OS stayed fresh and crisp all the time, and the GUI always without lag.

    As an engineer who ships real products, it's been counter intuitive to not update my OSes, but I've maintained a sane work environment across multiple platforms for years by following good discipline.
    So you're still using Windows 3.1? Interesting. How's that working out for you?
    07-07-16 07:46 AM
  6. fadmin's Avatar
    Still don't understand why common users neeeed updates... what's wrong with the deal you got right now? Damn thing is pretty rock solid out of the box. You need an update because ___________?

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    Not everyone is the same, diff ppl want diff apps, features, configurations...Just because your needs and expectations are moderate does not make BB10 perfect device. And not everyone is ready to spend their free time on workarounds, sideloading etc etc. There would always be people who needs dark hub, Lithuanian lang support etc etc lol
    07-07-16 10:31 AM
  7. fadmin's Avatar
    I've worked with several OSes since the Win 3.1 era. Got an interesting datapoint to share with you.

    Every single time I chose to update things in the modern era, my OS deteriorated over time, regardless of the platform. Whenever I left the stock build alone, did not do updates, and only installed components as needed (and that too with strict control of OS modifications), my OS stayed fresh and crisp all the time, and the GUI always without lag.

    As an engineer who ships real products, it's been counter intuitive to not update my OSes, but I've maintained a sane work environment across multiple platforms for years by following good discipline.

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    I hope you are not an IT person taking care of security of someone elses business network...
    07-07-16 10:33 AM
  8. Pety's Avatar
    Love this device!
    07-07-16 11:12 AM
  9. Random Id's Avatar
    True

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    07-07-16 04:14 PM
  10. kkoo's Avatar
    So you're still using Windows 3.1? Interesting. How's that working out for you?
    It works, but the Internet is a b*tch. :-)


    Not everyone is the same, diff ppl want diff apps, features, configurations...Just because your needs and expectations are moderate does not make BB10 perfect device. And not everyone is ready to spend their free time on workarounds, sideloading etc etc. There would always be people who needs dark hub, Lithuanian lang support etc etc lol
    For a Lithuanian user, that's big news, but for the other 98% of us, what huge difference does a dark hub make, or even something intangibly useful like the NIAP cert? For JoeAverage, whatever came out of the box is usually good enough. Of course there are fw/sw implementations that make for buggy hw and/or sw interaction. It makes sense to update your OS to fix such things when the release notes indicate so.

    All I'm trying to say is, you don't neeed every update, especially for something as dated as BB10. For one, updating my Passport SE to the latest build resulted in a bug (can't uninstall Android and Amazon apps) that required reverting the Android runtime.

    Every time an engineer touches a codebase to address a problem he is trying to fix, he introduces a high likelihood of breaking something that used to work before. Engineer wiggles some bit somewhere and makes a release without comprehending the consequences until after the fact, and millions suffer meanwhile. Just a reality of life.

    p.s. Not trying to argue about updates & stuff - you gotta do what you gotta do, whatever your style is. I come from a product engineering background - hw, sw, fw, mech, the whole deal. Miss even one critical detail and you've released something that will pain the customers. Having been on the shipping side long enough, you learn to be wary on the receiving side is all. Have a good day friends.

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    07-07-16 08:45 PM
  11. PaulPaul49's Avatar
    September.

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    07-08-16 06:38 PM
  12. BoneMatrix's Avatar
    It works, but the Internet is a b*tch. :-)
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    Win 3.1 didn't have any TCP/IP stack so arguably it was at least secure. For TCP, you needed Windows for Workgroups to which you then had to add the MS TCP/IP support.
    Not straightforward without any internet services!
    07-09-16 02:15 AM
  13. Paul Callahan's Avatar
    Does anyone know what the hell the current Android Runtime version is on the Passport?

    I don't want to update any apps if they will cease to work.

    PS. I didn't see anything in the settings for this..

    Thanks

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    07-09-16 04:00 PM
  14. mh1983's Avatar
    Does anyone know what the hell the current Android Runtime version is on the Passport?

    I don't want to update any apps if they will cease to work.

    PS. I didn't see anything in the settings for this..

    Thanks

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    For all 10.3.x BB10 phones, the runtime is Jellybean 4.3 (and always will be!)

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    07-09-16 05:03 PM
  15. Paul Callahan's Avatar
    Thank You!!! :-)

    Lol.. 'and always will be'..



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    07-09-16 08:03 PM
  16. SeeBeeEss's Avatar
    Who cares about 10.3.3? When can we expect 10.3.5?
    07-09-16 08:07 PM
  17. Habib Saufi's Avatar
    Who cares about 10.3.3? When can we expect 10.3.5?
    what about 10.4.3???? any ideas? in desperate need of it

     BlackBerry Z10
    07-10-16 11:50 AM
  18. Traxxmy's Avatar
    BB 10.3.3 do come with great update. Dark hub, theme support, overclock CPU, widget, android 5 runtime, offline navigation just to name a few.

    Symbian is still and always my favourite Os. Nokia 808. FilePLAY Music Player
    07-10-16 01:16 PM
  19. Habib Saufi's Avatar
    BB 10.3.3 do come with great update. Dark hub, theme support, overclock CPU, widget, android 5 runtime, offline navigation just to name a few.

    Symbian is still and always my favourite Os. Nokia 808. FilePLAY Music Player
    Yeah you are absolutely right man....congratulations for making my day, i really should pay you for that jokes

     BlackBerry Z10
    mh1983 and Paul Callahan like this.
    07-10-16 01:18 PM
  20. morfinpower's Avatar
    August,2017 10.3.3

    #ifyourereadingthisitstoolate
    Joey Hutchison likes this.
    07-10-16 01:49 PM
  21. leeiling's Avatar
    I even stop following any news about 10.3.3, given that 10.3.2.2888 is working well. I do have an issue with BlackBerry Protect on my 10.3.3 Passport. I can't erase the phone. Even I succeed, the BlackBerry ID login required screen shows up again. I have tried three times, only in vain.

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    07-11-16 01:42 AM
  22. Who-cut-the-cheese's Avatar
    Is the following accurate? Thanks!

    BB 10.3.3 do come with great update. Dark hub, theme support, overclock CPU, widget, android 5 runtime, offline navigation just to name a few.

    Symbian is still and always my favourite Os. Nokia 808. FilePLAY Music Player
    07-11-16 06:57 AM
  23. moosbb's Avatar
    Is the following accurate? Thanks!
    Of course not!

    That was joke/trolling...

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    07-11-16 10:09 AM
  24. Iggy City's Avatar
    #darkhubsmatter
    kvndoom likes this.
    07-11-16 10:30 AM
  25. paulwallace1234's Avatar
    #darkhubsmatter
    #allhubsmatter
    07-11-16 10:36 AM
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