- I'm noticing that some of the apps bundled with my Classic keep sending and receiving data in the background. Apps that aren't supposed to go online at all, that is - 'Android Player', for instance, which I take is the stock Music app. I don't have any Google services installed on the device. Could anyone please shed some light on what might be going on 'behind the scenes'? I hear BlackBerry analytics has long ceased to exist. Coming from Symbian, it is all rather annoying, especially given BB OS's reputation as a secure platform. Are those Google freaks still harvesting something on the phone even without their rubbish services installed?04-18-21 10:53 AMLike 0
- I'm noticing that some of the apps bundled with my Classic keep sending and receiving data in the background. Apps that aren't supposed to go online at all, that is - 'Android Player', for instance, which I take is the stock Music app. I don't have any Google services installed on the device. Could anyone please shed some light on what might be going on 'behind the scenes'? I hear BlackBerry analytics has long ceased to exist. Coming from Symbian, it is all rather annoying, especially given BB OS's reputation as a secure platform. Are those Google freaks still harvesting something on the phone even without their rubbish services installed?ppeters914 and anon(5597702) like this.04-18-21 11:16 AMLike 2
- Shame on me, hehe. Should've looked it up. However, I've only had a few Android apps / app ports on the device, which I've deleted already. Why is the runtime still active?04-18-21 01:13 PMLike 0
- About half of the apps from BlackBerry World are Android apps - unbeknown to many who download them.app_Developer likes this.04-18-21 01:18 PMLike 1
- The runtime is simply baked into and inextricably tied to the BB10 OS, as brookie already mentioned. If you are not running Android apps, the runtime still needs to be loaded in the background, but it's using a negligible amount of battery if that's your worry. And as conite said, you may well be running Android apps without realizing it as many are still living in BlackBerry World.04-18-21 01:29 PMLike 0
- The runtime is simply baked into and inextricably tied to the BB10 OS, as brookie already mentioned. If you are not running Android apps, the runtime still needs to be loaded in the background, but it's using a negligible amount of battery if that's your worry. And as conite said, you may well be running Android apps without realizing it as many are still living in BlackBerry World.04-18-21 01:35 PMLike 0
- True, this may be possible if you don't ever restart the phone. I never tried it but never noticed any major battery drain with the ART running in the background/limiting to 2-3 Android apps on the device.04-18-21 01:37 PMLike 0
- I suspected as much. However, the apps currently installed on my phone are by no means Android apps since I can set the permissions for them.04-18-21 01:41 PMLike 0
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It could be caught in a cycle from a previously installed app. Reboot the phone and don't touch it for 15 minutes.
If it is still drawing, then you either HAVE an Android app installed, or the Runtime is corrupted.
Let's cross that bridge if we come to it.anon(5597702) and brookie229 like this.04-18-21 01:47 PMLike 2 - Most of them are greyed out, though, which is not the case with the apps I'm using. I'm not obsessed with battery life, just don't want any Google snooping on my phone. And I'm not being paranoid, either- but I honestly can't stand the sight of Google services. I only use Apple computers, whose OS is quite restrictive and thus well-protected against analytics, fingerprinting, or data leaks. Hope BlackBerries are equally good in that department :Panon(5597702) likes this.04-18-21 01:57 PMLike 1
- Most of them are greyed out, though, which is not the case with the apps I'm using. I'm not obsessed with battery life, just don't want any Google snooping on my phone. And no, I'm not being paranoid - but I honestly can't stand the sight of Google services. I only use Apple computers, whose OS is quite restrictive and thus well-protected against web analytics fingerprinting or data leaks. Hope BlackBerry gear is equally good in that department :P
Then use a tracker-blocker and only download FOSS apps.
There is no more private a setup you can have than that.Laura Knotek likes this.04-18-21 01:59 PMLike 1 -
In any case, he said he prefers Apple devices so why suggest another platform?04-18-21 02:00 PMLike 0 -
- Thanks everyone for your input. I reckon there's no need to get extreme, though. I like BlackBerry and retro gear in general because I prefer to keep it simple, and I don't want to be flooded by all manner of rubbish apps/settings, which I'm inevitably tempted to instal/trigger on modern gizmos. Kind of keeps my otherwise procrastinating mind at bay :-D I also fancy PKBs a lot. Don't get me wrong, the Classic is the finest bit of kit I've used in years. It is much, much cosier than the Priv (hated both the phone and its cumbersome Google-y OS) or the modern era (post-iOS 6) iPhones I've used for years. I'm also inclined to do my stuff on computers, not tiny screens devoid of handy input methods like keyboards and mice/trackpads. Yet another reason to stay on BlackBerry, btw
P.S. I kind of trust Apple, which still make the best ever computers, IMO. However, I'm generally wary of third-party developers on any platform, let alone an entire OS from someone like Google.04-18-21 02:21 PMLike 0 - Unlike Google Android and Apple iOS (Apple is still a big privacy offender despite your comfort), LineageOS is based on AOSP - which is 100% open-source. You can inspect the code line-by-line yourself as countless others have (including security and privacy experts). There is zero spyware or tracking. Even BB10 can't say the same, as reams of info is sent back to BlackBerry all of the time. Just sayin'.04-18-21 02:28 PMLike 0
- Interesting! As I said, though, I stick with more or less retro phones for simplicity's sake while out and about. Would be browsing and chatting and experimenting all the time otherwise. I also like the ease of access to the Classic's features and the shortcuts its PKB allows. Not the case with modern phones at all, where you first flip through all the menus and options and social-oriented / AI rubbish, such as share/like/dislike/morelikethis, etc., - in music apps, for instance, whereas I personally just want to listen to my music on the go. All in all, it's too much of a bother.
The issue with the 'home-calls' to BlackBerry will resolve itself when BB10 finally reaches its EOL, won't it?04-18-21 02:39 PMLike 0 - Interesting! As I said, though, I stick with more or less retro phones for simplicity's sake while out and about. Would be browsing and chatting and experimenting all the time otherwise. I also like the ease of access to the Classic's features and the shortcuts its PKB allows. Not the case with modern phones at all, where you first flip through all the menus and options and social-oriented / AI rubbish, such as share/like/dislike/morelikethis, etc., for example, in music apps, whereas I personally just want to listen to my music on the go. All in all, it's too much of a bother.
The issue with 'home-calls' to BlackBerry will resolve itself when BB10 finally reaches its EOL, won't it?04-18-21 02:43 PMLike 0 - What kind of trackers? Isn't BBOS supposed to be preventing them from snooping around? I've got less than 5 third-party apps installed, though, for which I've turned off most permissions but the essential. Furthermore, since retro phones aren't really synced up to the computer or my cloud storage, with the exception of e-mail, calendar, and contacts - which the trackers hopefully cannot access - and because I'm not logged in anywhere with the phone browser save for CrackBerry, tracking doesn't matter much. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.04-18-21 02:50 PMLike 0
- What kind of trackers? Isn't BBOS supposed to be preventing them from snooping around? I've got less than 5 third-party apps installed, though, for which I've turned off most permissions but the essential. Furthermore, since retro phones aren't really synced up to the computer or my cloud storage, with the exception of e-mail, calendar, and contacts - which the trackers hopefully cannot access - and because I'm not logged in anywhere with the phone browser save for CrackBerry, tracking doesn't matter much. Please correct me if I'm mistaken.
Containerisation on BB10 can mitigate some types of data scraping, but it's hard to define.
Many apps still have usage trackers at a minimum. There is simply no console or app available on BB10 to accurately monitor such things though.
Nemory native apps were notorious for stealing information.04-18-21 02:56 PMLike 0 - Is those trackers' reach system-wide, though? Can they access your accounts, such as email, contacts, etc.? It's a pity one can't restrict data usage for certain apps, or set data connexions to 'on demand' as was the case with Symbian. I usually keep mobile data off, but the instance I turn it back on, the rubbish starts transmitting all at once in the background04-18-21 02:59 PMLike 0
- Is those trackers' reach system-wide, though? Can they access your accounts, such as email, contacts, etc.? It's a pity one can't restrict data usage for certain apps, or set data connexions to 'on demand' as was the case with Symbian. I usually keep mobile data off, but the instance I turn it back on, the rubbish starts transmitting all at once in the background
I wouldn't lose a lot of sleep over BB10's security shortcomings, but ironically, Android, under specific circumstances, can be made more private than any other platform, and can be effectively monitored.04-18-21 03:15 PMLike 0 -
- I have a conspiracy theory that in John Chen's mission to cash in on everything BB had to pay off its most important creditor, he sold BB10 users out to Google and Amazon by selling all of our data to them behind our backs.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this would support my conspiracy theory.
Posted via CB1004-18-21 05:05 PMLike 0 - I have a conspiracy theory that in John Chen's mission to cash in on everything BB had to pay off its most important creditor, he sold BB10 users out to Google and Amazon by selling all of our data to them behind our backs.
Maybe I'm wrong, but this would support my conspiracy theory.
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