[Paof-7]

As a software company why is it that bb os 10 doesn't have apps, in comparison to andriod, MS, & iOS? Is it lack of developers? Lack of bb's particaption?

[Chuck Finley69]

Really.... There's like 10.3.2 million threads on this specific topic...

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[Sairos]

As a software company why is it that bb os 10 doesn't have apps, in comparison to andriod, MS, & iOS? Is it lack of developers? Lack of bb's particaption?

Its not about BlackBerry, as apps are made by developers and companies. So yes its about developers. The market for BlackBerry 10 devices is not attractive enough for developers to make apps for it. We represent less than 1% of the total market. So why waste time and resources developing apps for such a niche market, when we can just do it for two OSs that absolutely dominate and make up to aprox. 99% of the market.

MS is in the same situation with around 0.6% market share so they suffer from the same fate. Android is the solution for BlackBerry to have a complete ecosystem and that's why they moved to it.

Fire up more questions if you've any.

[Sairos]

Really.... There's like 10.3.2 million threads on this specific topic...

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He is a new member here on the forum and its good to help people with their questions. Either help and say something constructive or just pass on posting in this thread please. You will drive people away with such attitude.

[TheDutch20]

Really.... There's like 10.3.2 million threads on this specific topic...

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[brookie229]

He is a new member here on the forum and its good to help people with their questions. Either help and say something constructive or just pass on posting in this thread please. You will drive people away with such attitude.

Exactly!

[thurask]

As a software company why is it that bb os 10 doesn't have apps, in comparison to andriod, MS, & iOS? Is it lack of developers? Lack of bb's particaption?

BB being consistently late to the party for the past 5+ years.

[undefinederror]

He is a new member here on the forum and its good to help people with their questions. Either help and say something constructive or just pass on posting in this thread please. You will drive people away with such attitude.

<3

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[Vistaus]

As a software company why is it that bb os 10 doesn't have apps, in comparison to andriod, MS, & iOS? Is it lack of developers? Lack of bb's particaption?

MS? Well, WM10 also has an app gap.

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[Chuck Finley69]

MS? Well, WM10 also has an app gap.

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Huge app gap!!!!

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[Troy Tiscareno]

The short version is:

• The iPhone, announced in early 2007 and released later that year, was a revolution for the smartphone industry.
• Google, recognizing this, and already developing both a BB-style phone ("Sooner") and an all-touch ("Dream") phone with their new Android OS, immediately dropped the "Sooner" and focused on "Dream" and developing Android, which was released in 2008.
• Both Apple and Google quickly realized that developers wanted to develop for these new platforms, as they were much advanced compared to the previous generation of "smartphones" (BBOS, Symbian, WinMobile), incorporating lots of new sensors, much bigger, better screens, and modern OSs. They both responded with strong, encompassing developer support.
• BB, MS, and Nokia (the "Big 3" of mobile) largely sat and watched all of that happen without much of a substantive reaction. BB in particular continued to focus on BBOS for 3 years before finally deciding in 2010 to buy QNX and start developing a second-gen mobile OS.
• The big battle for developer interest in mobile happened between 2008-2010, with developers looking at OS marketshare (primarily), the level of developer support (in particular, the quality of APIs and development environments), and brand image.
• BB10 was scheduled for release in early 2012. It was ultimately released in 2013, with major bugs and missing many features. Most consider 10.2.1 to be the first truly usable version of BB10, which wasn't released until early 2014 - seven full years after the iPhone and four years after developers had chosen the platforms they would support.
• The launch of BB10 in 2013 was a huge failure - with the CEO being fired, the company being put up for sale, and not being able to even secure a single real bid. Sales were small fractions of expectations - which had been stoked by CEO Heins despite having the real sales figures.
• While BB10 the OS was definitely nice, it didn't offer anything new to developers - in fact, the APIs were underdeveloped, so developers were more limited in what apps they could create and what features they could offer, compared to iOS or Android - and BB10 never had a significant userbase. This meant that BB10 developers would never be able to make money on the platform.

There are plenty of other factors at work too, but these highlights are more than enough to understand why BB10 failed in the marketplace, both among developers and end-users.

[joeldf]

And, I hope the OP actually returns to give an appreciation and thanks to Troy for a very good answer.

I hope this was not just one of those drive-by post dumps just to rile up the BlackBerry faithful.

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[Halifax Guy]

He is a new member here on the forum and its good to help people with their questions. Either help and say something constructive or just pass on posting in this thread please. You will drive people away with such attitude.

New people should know enough to do a search looking for information before posting a question that has been asked numerous times. Heck! They could even utilize Google or a search engine of their choice first.

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[Vistaus]

The short version is:

• The iPhone, announced in early 2007 and released later that year, was a revolution for the smartphone industry.
• Google, recognizing this, and already developing both a BB-style phone ("Sooner") and an all-touch ("Dream") phone with their new Android OS, immediately dropped the "Sooner" and focused on "Dream" and developing Android, which was released in 2008.
• Both Apple and Google quickly realized that developers wanted to develop for these new platforms, as they were much advanced compared to the previous generation of "smartphones" (BBOS, Symbian, WinMobile), incorporating lots of new sensors, much bigger, better screens, and modern OSs. They both responded with strong, encompassing developer support.
• BB, MS, and Nokia (the "Big 3" of mobile) largely sat and watched all of that happen without much of a substantive reaction. BB in particular continued to focus on BBOS for 3 years before finally deciding in 2010 to buy QNX and start developing a second-gen mobile OS.
• The big battle for developer interest in mobile happened between 2008-2010, with developers looking at OS marketshare (primarily), the level of developer support (in particular, the quality of APIs and development environments), and brand image.
• BB10 was scheduled for release in early 2012. It was ultimately released in 2013, with major bugs and missing many features. Most consider 10.2.1 to be the first truly usable version of BB10, which wasn't released until early 2014 - seven full years after the iPhone and four years after developers had chosen the platforms they would support.
• The launch of BB10 in 2013 was a huge failure - with the CEO being fired, the company being put up for sale, and not being able to even secure a single real bid. Sales were small fractions of expectations - which had been stoked by CEO Heins despite having the real sales figures.
• While BB10 the OS was definitely nice, it didn't offer anything new to developers - in fact, the APIs were underdeveloped, so developers were more limited in what apps they could create and what features they could offer, compared to iOS or Android - and BB10 never had a significant userbase. This meant that BB10 developers would never be able to make money on the platform.

There are plenty of other factors at work too, but these highlights are more than enough to understand why BB10 failed in the marketplace, both among developers and end-users.

Funnily enough, Symbian took the #1 spot of most popular mobile OS's in Europe for long, long time after the iPhone started to take off before it finally got knocked to #2 off by Apple.

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[Sairos]

New people should know enough to do a search looking for information before posting a question that has been asked numerous times. Heck! They could even utilize Google or a search engine of their choice first.

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No they shouldn't. If you don't want to answer such questions, then don't. People can ask whatever they want to ask. New people, old People, bloody dinosaurs, whatever, they all get to ask.

Maybe he is not into Tech and the whole situation, maybe he stopped giving a damn about BlackBerry and now returned to the scene, who cares dude. I know countless people who had BlackBerries, threw them and moved on without knowing what really happened. So its just a simple answer, its not like you're giving away your money.

[bhoqeem]

It's always better to be polite, when one can.

[BB-JAM215]

It's always better to be polite, when one can.

Even if it does look like just another drive by one shot post.

[bhoqeem]

Even if it does look like just another drive by one shot post.

Sure. Even so, when you can and/or willing to.

[anon(9353145)]

The short version is:

• The iPhone, announced in early 2007 and released later that year, was a revolution for the smartphone industry.
• Google, recognizing this, and already developing both a BB-style phone ("Sooner") and an all-touch ("Dream") phone with their new Android OS, immediately dropped the "Sooner" and focused on "Dream" and developing Android, which was released in 2008.
• Both Apple and Google quickly realized that developers wanted to develop for these new platforms, as they were much advanced compared to the previous generation of "smartphones" (BBOS, Symbian, WinMobile), incorporating lots of new sensors, much bigger, better screens, and modern OSs. They both responded with strong, encompassing developer support.
• BB, MS, and Nokia (the "Big 3" of mobile) largely sat and watched all of that happen without much of a substantive reaction. BB in particular continued to focus on BBOS for 3 years before finally deciding in 2010 to buy QNX and start developing a second-gen mobile OS.
• The big battle for developer interest in mobile happened between 2008-2010, with developers looking at OS marketshare (primarily), the level of developer support (in particular, the quality of APIs and development environments), and brand image.
• BB10 was scheduled for release in early 2012. It was ultimately released in 2013, with major bugs and missing many features. Most consider 10.2.1 to be the first truly usable version of BB10, which wasn't released until early 2014 - seven full years after the iPhone and four years after developers had chosen the platforms they would support.
• The launch of BB10 in 2013 was a huge failure - with the CEO being fired, the company being put up for sale, and not being able to even secure a single real bid. Sales were small fractions of expectations - which had been stoked by CEO Heins despite having the real sales figures.
• While BB10 the OS was definitely nice, it didn't offer anything new to developers - in fact, the APIs were underdeveloped, so developers were more limited in what apps they could create and what features they could offer, compared to iOS or Android - and BB10 never had a significant userbase. This meant that BB10 developers would never be able to make money on the platform.

There are plenty of other factors at work too, but these highlights are more than enough to understand why BB10 failed in the marketplace, both among developers and end-users.

Nice summary, I learned a few things, lol. The only thing I'd add as a Canadian who remembers it in the news... The whole Hockey Team feud thing between Jim Balisillie and Gary Bettman. I was comfortably on iPhone at the time, but still felt a bit patriotic about BlackBerry and knew they were in trouble. At the time I was like WTF is BlackBerry doing worrying about a hockey team when Apple is destroying them in mobile? That and the time when BBM went down for something like 3 days or so was another Uh Oh moment I recall.

[anon(9353145)]

Even if it does look like just another drive by one shot post.

Yeah, but you never know if it's legit or not so better to err on the side of being helpful, imho.

[paulwallace1234]

Funnily enough, Symbian took the #1 spot of most popular mobile OS's in Europe for long, long time after the iPhone started to take off before it finally got knocked to #2 off by Apple.

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Symbian was a special OS which was the first real smartphone OS, it was way ahead until the market focus changed and Nokia didn't change quick enough and changed the wrong things at the wrong time.


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[tipplex]

I think bb10 is also limited missing apis compared to bb7.

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[paulwallace1234]

I think bb10 is also limited missing apis compared to bb7.

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That is correct, well the whole BB system has a rather dodgy API record.

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[matt4pack]

The Nokia, Palm, and Blackberry's of the world who were only ever in the phone business never really stood a chance once Google, Apple, and Microsoft decided to get into the game.

Those guys all had monopolies in other businesses that they could use to subsidize their foray into the phone business. Just like Sega had no chance once Sony and Microsoft got into the console business. People don't seem to understand how much of an advantage being in as many businesses as those guys gives gives you in marketing and resources. Even if blackberry and the others weren't late it wouldn't have matters as the other guy would have just subsidized their efforts from other business units like the xbox and been able to pour money into marketing.

Nothing would have changed anything and many people would rather support huge conglomerates that can buy marketing.

[matt4pack]

The Nokia, Palm, and Blackberry's of the world who were only ever in the phone business never really stood a chance with their own OS's (Meego, WebOS, and BB10) once Google, Apple, and Microsoft decided to get into the game.

Those guys all had monopolies in other businesses that they could use to subsidize their foray into the phone business. Just like Sega had no chance once Sony and Microsoft got into the console business even though the Dreamcast was a great console. People don't seem to understand how much of an advantage being in as many businesses as those guys are gives gives you in marketing and resources. Even if blackberry and the others weren't late it wouldn't have mattered as the other guy would have just subsidized their efforts from other business units for as long as needed and been able to pour money into marketing like with the xbox.

Nothing would be any different today because people would rather support monopolies that can buy unlimited marketing.