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- BB came to the scene 5 years late with no new capabilities for developers at all. Not one single new thing that we didn't already have on three other platforms.
- BB supported 3 or 4 different development platforms and languages including an Android runtime specifically marketed to those developers who wanted to push a few buttons to bring their existing app over. The whole pitch was "take 5 minutes to do this"
- BB literally had "portathons" to pay developers to quickly port over their existing apps.
So wasn't BB's whole strategy based on getting "me, too" apps to fill up their store? They got what they asked for, except it was far less than they hoped.Elephant_Canyon and Blacklatino like this.02-22-16 10:36 AMLike 2 - One of the greatest things about the free market is that nobody has to organize or direct it. When people act in their own self interest some pretty good things can happen. It seems that the OP doesn't believe the free market for apps is working right and his answer is to berate developers into making the apps he wants. I don't think it works that way.02-22-16 10:40 AMLike 0
- The op is not berating bb10 developers but rather he is "influencing" them to make apps that he wants lol. talk about being entitled.KermEd and Blacklatino like this.02-22-16 10:45 AMLike 2
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Companies feel they have to mislead because customers will often blow negative things out of proportion and discontinue doing business with the company. A CEO can get fired for being too honest if it negatively affects revenues: the Board of Directors are basically telling the CEO to make misleading statements, and there are plenty of people willing to take the job for the big bucks it pays.
So, BlackBerry "has" to say that they are supporting BB10 because they need to appear to the public like a company that cares about it customers, so they can continue to sell devices to new customers, who will only want to do business with a company that they trust will "do right by them". Ironically, they have to LIE to make people TRUST them.
So, BlackBerry management "has to" make misleading statements in order to keep their business from eroding further.
Consumers accept this (not in the sense of common knowledge, but in the terms of tacit approval) by just shrugging and saying "Well, what do you expect? There's nothing you can do about it, so just accept it."
What you CAN do about it is seek out vendors who minimize this abhorrent behaviour and run their business ethically. Think of the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" and how George Bailey had a relationship with the customers: in that one pivotal scene where there was a run on the S&L, one asshat customer wants his full savings back: George says "can you make do with less for now?" and he just insists on taking the whole amount. Fine, that's his right... but the audience thinks that guy is an asshat.
George Bailey, an idealist that runs the Bailey Savings & Loan had an honest relationship with these customers. Most of the customers were understanding and were willing to put their faith in the company, because the people running the company had a proven track record of ethical behaviour.
What, this is just a fairy tale you say!? Yes, it is... but think about who YOU were "rooting for" in that movie, and who you wanted to "lose". YOUR feelings regarding that fictional scenario tell YOU what you should do.
That's why I'm not going to be doing any business with BlackBerry Ltd. in the future... and certainly don't expect "honesty" from them, unless dishonesty will get them thrown in jail, and even then, it's not the whole truth (i.e. device-by-device or platform-by-platform sales figures, for example.)02-22-16 10:52 AMLike 0 -
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- The problem begins with:
It is 'accepted' (not in the sense of approval, but in the sense of common knowledge) that companies will mislead their prospective and current customers for various reasons, most of which contribute to higher revenues.
Companies feel they have to mislead because customers will often blow negative things out of proportion and discontinue doing business with the company. A CEO can get fired for being too honest if it negatively affects revenues: the Board of Directors are basically telling the CEO to make misleading statements, and there are plenty of people willing to take the job for the big bucks it pays.
So, BlackBerry "has" to say that they are supporting BB10 because they need to appear to the public like a company that cares about it customers, so they can continue to sell devices to new customers, who will only want to do business with a company that they trust will "do right by them". Ironically, they have to LIE to make people TRUST them.
So, BlackBerry management "has to" make misleading statements in order to keep their business from eroding further.
Consumers accept this (not in the sense of common knowledge, but in the terms of tacit approval) by just shrugging and saying "Well, what do you expect? There's nothing you can do about it, so just accept it."
What you CAN do about it is seek out vendors who minimize this abhorrent behaviour and run their business ethically. Think of the movie "It's a Wonderful Life" and how George Bailey had a relationship with the customers: in that one pivotal scene where there was a run on the S&L, one asshat customer wants his full savings back: George says "can you make do with less for now?" and he just insists on taking the whole amount. Fine, that's his right... but the audience thinks that guy is an asshat.
George Bailey, an idealist that runs the Bailey Savings & Loan had an honest relationship with these customers. Most of the customers were understanding and were willing to put their faith in the company, because the people running the company had a proven track record of ethical behaviour.
What, this is just a fairy tale you say!? Yes, it is... but think about who YOU were "rooting for" in that movie, and who you wanted to "lose". YOUR feelings regarding that fictional scenario tell YOU what you should do.
That's why I'm not going to be doing any business with BlackBerry Ltd. in the future... and certainly don't expect "honesty" from them, unless dishonesty will get them thrown in jail, and even then, it's not the whole truth (i.e. device-by-device or platform-by-platform sales figures, for example.)
Posted via CB1002-22-16 08:44 PMLike 0 - At Finley, Jc has been pretty honest and open as much as a CEO can be. He said that they will continue to support BB10, but they will not be makiing any new BB10 devices. So that statement is pretty obvious don't you think. He said that the new Priv is on par with Samsung's Knox, as far as security is concerned, but Blackphone may be more secure. Now how is that for honesty. He said that Blackberry will be putting out security, updates monthly. So far so good eh. He said that if he doesn't sell at least 5 million devices to break even he would consider getting out of the device business. So we will see if the Priv is successful. So basically speaking John VChen has been honest. If you think the other guys are more ethical, well boy are you in for a surprise.02-23-16 06:47 PMLike 0
- Can any Dev's here comment on this?
http://www.filearchivehaven.com/2016...ty-developers/
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BlackBerry Announces It Cannot Pay 3rd Party Developers ? FileArchiveHaven
Z10 10.3.2.2639 via CB10
But, everything is supply and demand. I've always said, John Chen is a technical guy. But none of the problems facing BlackBerry are technical in design, they are all business, marketing and engagement issues. They should have selected a CEO that could "fill that gap".
I worked under a really motivating director at a previous touch company, and she taught me a valuable lesson. The important thing is to hire people different than you and that fill gaps within a company. If you "just want another technical guy" just like your "other technical guys" then you might as well just ask them to work longer hours. Chen didn't really bring any change, he just continued on the path they were already on. .
Regarding the core question by the OP - How hard is it to create applications and games for BlackBerry (that are unique and don't rely on a third party service)? The creation is slightly longer in my opinion, about 25-50% extra development time depending on the project due to raising up back-end infrastructure and databases.
The real challenge is your average user doesn't want to install Mallblatt, Mumblr or Affrait --- because those are made-up words. As a user, encountering something that they have never encountered before - it is gibberish to them without significant marketing effort (effort that runs you a negative ROI). Right or wrong, piggy-backing on popular (and missing) top selling apps, developers are able to reach in and connect to users ... and hopefully later on sell them on new innovations. There are tons of amazing unique apps in BlackBerry World. Its just impossible to see them with only 4 reviews and no sales...Killjoyhere likes this.02-23-16 10:51 PMLike 1 - A common finding in these app threads is a significant underestimation of the collective resources required to maintain a robust app economy. First, there is the incredible diversity of apps and app developers needed to fill the niche applications that one person could never dream of. Every type of professional has a basket of essential apps. The same goes for everyone with a hobby, small business, recreation, etc.
The notion that you can just pick the top twenty apps, get them created, and it will somehow be satisfactory is absurd. That's like saying that you can do all of your shopping at WalMart because what else would a normal person need? They have the top 10,000 things.02-23-16 11:25 PMLike 4 - Newsflash: BlackBerry 10 is like any other OS. It's for those who want it. Doesn't matter what Chen says. The numbers don't lie. Make all the excuses you want. Market share is 0.2% which is almost non-existent. Between BES12 and the GOOD acquisition, they can secure pretty much any device. So even "BlackBerry 10 for Gov't" has a lesser meaning. I wish I was wrong I've had them all. An 850 pager, click wheels, trackballs, pearls, clam shells, torches, tours, bolds, Z10, Q10, Z30, Passport, Classic, and Porsche Graphite P'9983. I will use BlackBerry 10 for as long as I can, but I use and iPhone 6s as well because I need the ecosystem, period. And no matter how many times you change your story...the apps aren't coming to BB10GadgetTravel and Blacklatino like this.02-23-16 11:44 PMLike 2
- So true. On that note too though, there are plenty of companies that could be profitable with 0.2% market share (however I doubt current BlackBerry is one of them)
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHavenBlacklatino and Killjoyhere like this.02-23-16 11:53 PMLike 2 - Yeah, like maybe a craft beer or something. Jack Welch at GE used to try to be number one or two globally or he would try to get out of an industry. Companies that can grow other businesses don't dabble in single digit market share for long. It simply doesn't make sense. You can achieve the same synergy with a partnership.02-24-16 12:24 AMLike 2
- A common finding in these app threads is a significant underestimation of the collective resources required to maintain a robust app economy. First, there is the incredible diversity of apps and app developers needed to fill the niche applications that one person could never dream of. Every type of professional has a basket of essential apps. The same goes for everyone with a hobby, small business, recreation, etc.
The notion that you can just pick the top twenty apps, get them created, and it will somehow be satisfactory is absurd. That's like saying that you can do all of your shopping at WalMart because what else would a normal person need? They have the top 10,000 things.app_Developer likes this.02-24-16 06:36 AMLike 1 - ...can you tell me at least one app worth of buying in Blackberry World? I couldn't find any in 3 years and please do not make a list of third-party clients, just list of unique, useful developed and created by creator itself for BB10, not by indie copycats?
...you do not have tu BUY app to support developer, he can make money from paid services or even from ads. This is how most of Android developers make for a living, don't they? You do not pay for Walmart for allowance to enter the store, right?
Regarding ads. People who don't develop, always think that way. BlackBerry accidentally leaked out the stats once on their ad services once letting us see how everyone was doing. Companies in their top-10 money makers were only clearing a couple hundred a month - these guys had hundreds of apps with ads. Ads were and are a failure on BlackBerry 10 and BlackBerry pulled the plug.
You are also assuming that Android is profitable for developers. It is not. I'd ballpark that about 95% of developers on Android will never see a penny for their efforts.
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHavenpaulwallace1234 and elfabio80 like this.02-24-16 11:04 AMLike 2 - Regarding the top, I have plenty of unique apps that aren't copy cats. Vector Wars comes to mind as well as Text Edit. That said it doesn't mean my apps are going to be interesting to you
Regarding ads. People who don't develop, always think that way. BlackBerry accidentally leaked out the stats once on their ad services once letting us see how everyone was doing. Companies in their top-10 money makers were only clearing a couple hundred a month - these guys had hundreds of apps with ads. Ads were and are a failure on BlackBerry 10 and BlackBerry pulled the plug.
You are also assuming that Android is profitable for developers. It is not. I'd ballpark that about 95% of developers on Android will never see a penny for their efforts.
Posted to CB via my Passport | Lloyd Summers | FileArchiveHaven06-01-16 03:54 PMLike 0 -
You should realise that they don't do it out of spite, in 99% of cases it has to do with support costs and/or brand image.06-02-16 03:05 AMLike 0 - That is and has always been up to the developers. It's not something BBW specific, devs can remove their apps at any time from the iOS/Android stores.
You should realise that they don't do it out of spite, in 99% of cases it has to do with support costs and/or brand image.
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