- Maybe a significant share of BB10 users is
on BES with "work only" mode (= can't install apps), but the rest doesn't seem to be classical business users.
As a business man I understand most apps must be paid, because the dev has no other revenue, so I do pay for my apps.
But I see another challenge for developers.
BB10 comes with a stock file manager, password keeper, torch, device monitor, etc etc. ...and only limited APIs for developers.
From most reviews I would also judge that BB10 users don't like permissions request which could be avoided.
BB10 is certainly no good platform to make quick money with a half-baked app, because we are spoiled by BB10 stock apps
Posted via CB1002-10-16 05:56 AMLike 0 - Maybe a significant share of BB10 users is
on BES with "work only" mode (= can't install apps), but the rest doesn't seem to be classical business users.
As a business man I understand most apps must be paid, because the dev has no other revenue, so I do pay for my apps.
But I see another challenge for developers.
BB10 comes with a stock file manager, password keeper, torch, device monitor, etc etc. ...and only limited APIs for developers.
From most reviews I would also judge that BB10 users don't like permissions request which could be avoided.
BB10 is certainly no good platform to make quick money with a half-baked app, because we are spoiled by BB10 stock apps
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Some Apps do abuse permissions, which gives birth to the ***** user who is so enticed with rage that they try to destroy the reputation of a perfectly safe App which uses permissions correctly, I've had one before with my App Nightly Clock, it needed the Camera permission so I could access the Camera Flash as feature, that user decided to 1* it, and hurl a load of abuse at me and accuse me of basically permission misuse.
In a way, BlackBerry are partly to blame for this, the access to certain feature does fall under some weird permissions, Flash for example shouldn't really be under Camera.
Posted via CB1002-10-16 07:18 AMLike 0 - You also have to look at WHO is using BlackBerry devices.
Enterprise has been one of the big customers. But Enterprise is also the ones most concerned about THEIR privacy and security. Which means they tend to lock down devices and prevent the installation of just "any" app. So even if there are say 8 million BB10 users out there, a good portion of them are not viable app customers.
That was also the problem with BBOS, you had a lot of enterprise customers that reduced the customer base. But then BBOS devices were very popular in developing markets... where either language or lack of interest in paying for apps also removed a big number of the BBOS customer base.elfabio80 and Superdupont 2_0 like this.02-10-16 07:32 AMLike 2 -
I suspect most of the recent BBOS device sales were not to new customers, but to replace damaged or failed units for those still having to use them.JeepBB and Superdupont 2_0 like this.02-10-16 07:36 AMLike 2 - My impression from 1-2 developer responses is that they sometimes require a specific permission although the app doesn't need it, because they are planning some new features in the future.
But in a few other cases I compared two apps with the same functionality and then kept only the one which needs less permissions.
I also have (or had) 1-2 apps which connect to Google servers in the background, and here I speculate the developer was perhaps just "lazy" and ported an Android app or something.
I think apps permission is an issue which should be addressed in the app description, because BB10 users seem to be much more sensitive.Chak likes this.02-10-16 07:40 AMLike 1 - My impression from 1-2 developer responses is that they sometimes require a specific permission although the app doesn't need it, because they are planning some new features in the future.
But in a few other cases I compared two apps with the same functionality and then kept only the one which needs less permissions.
I also have (or had) 1-2 apps which connect to Google servers in the background, and here I speculate the developer was perhaps just "lazy" and ported an Android app or something.
I think apps permission is an issue which should be addressed in the app description, because BB10 users seem to be much more sensitive.
The secret server connections even I find a bit dodgy at times,
Personally BlackBerry should be telling users of the App permissions before it downloads like Android does.
Posted via CB1002-10-16 08:09 AMLike 0 - From the earnings report, as of last June, there were still 10 million BBOS users. Extrapolating, based on the historical decline rate, it would be hitting zero right about now, but I suspect there is a bit of a floor effect. I think 5 million is rather generous.
I suspect most of the recent BBOS device sales were not to new customers, but to replace damaged or failed units for those still having to use them.
Very curious to see where these millions of remaining BBOS users will be moving to, because I would assume the vast majority is enterprise/governments.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if BB7 would be discontinued in 2016, including BES12 support.
We have seen this already for the PlayBook, last year it actually hurt me a bit to see that BES 12 is still supporting BB7 and earlier versions, but no PlayBook OS 2.02-10-16 08:42 AMLike 0 -
The majority of apps however will never become the next big thing. Yes, you can make money doing apps but what's the chance of your app becoming worth $10B or more? Extremely slim, for sure. While the Pied Pipers of the world are certainly out there the few devs that I know are just ordinary guys who do the apps on the side as a hobby. They don't spend much money on it and they earn not much more.brookie229 likes this.02-10-16 08:52 AMLike 1 -
Most quality apps in the appstore (that I purchased) do not have any ads anyways and it is clear that the user base wants privacy, so from that perspective I don't see any damage.
For BBRY it should be very easy to re-activate the control over the internet permission, at least for the apps from BBW.02-10-16 08:55 AMLike 0 - Very curious to see where these millions of remaining BBOS users will be moving to, because I would assume the vast majority is enterprise/governments.
I personally wouldn't be surprised if BB7 would be discontinued in 2016, including BES12 support.
We have seen this already for the PlayBook, last year it actually hurt me a bit to see that BES 12 is still supporting BB7 and earlier versions, but no PlayBook OS 2.02-10-16 08:58 AMLike 0 - I totally agree.
I bet against this.
I simply have not enough fantasy.
I simply cannot picture an Angela Merkel with an iPhone or Android, because I can very well imagine taking over an Android with a simple sms (mediaserver had to be patched again last month).
I would expect seeing more BB10 sales but also Priv sales, and personally I think if BB10 doesn't work anymore one day one can still switch to the Priv.
However, either way, probably not relevant for BB10 developers, unfortunately.02-10-16 09:14 AMLike 0 - They don't care to think about anything either. It's too much of a bother. All they want is to be spoon fed. That's people in general (in my opinion).02-10-16 09:16 AMLike 0
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Blackphone, Priv, iPhone, or their successors will simply have to fill the bill.02-10-16 09:24 AMLike 0 -
If the remaining BBOS users would all switch to BB10, we would have more than 10 millions users, while BlackBerry still has some inventory.
If I would be the IT manager coming from BBOS with BES, I would still go for the more secure BB10+BES in 2016 and keep the Priv as a "plan B".02-10-16 09:49 AMLike 0 -
For example, if I want to call an Uber or Lyft or whatever the local ridesharing service is, I should be able to download the app, select my location, and if I have Apple Pay or some other electronic wallet, arrange payment. It may sound entitled and lazy but if you are standing on the street in the rain and can't find a taxi, its nice not to have to read a bunch of instructions and set up and account.02-10-16 10:00 AMLike 0 - App instructions are becoming like the instruction manual for mobile devices - something to be thrown away. An app should guide you through how to use it. That doesn't mean that you want to be spoon fed. It just means that there are too many devices and apps to deal with on a daily basis to sit and read instruction manuals.
For example, if I want to call an Uber or Lyft or whatever the local ridesharing service is, I should be able to download the app, select my location, and if I have Apple Pay or some other electronic wallet, arrange payment. It may sound entitled and lazy but if you are standing on the street in the rain and can't find a taxi, its nice not to have to read a bunch of instructions and set up and account.
If you are standing in the rain getting wet while trying to down load an app like Uber, might suggest thinking ahead next time and program a phone number or two of a cab service. Like I said, they don't want to think.Last edited by Rustybronco; 02-10-16 at 12:54 PM. Reason: than be self sufficient
02-10-16 12:01 PMLike 0 - Fourty plus years of dealing with the public tells me you are wrong. They come in here asking the stupidest of questions which they could have easily put in a little thought for themselves and answered their own question. They don't care to read nor think. it's easier to ask rather tan be self
If you are standing in the rain getting wet while trying to down load an app like Uber, might suggest thinking ahead next time and program a phone number or two of a cab service. Like I said, they don't want to think.
Posted via CB1002-10-16 12:23 PMLike 0 -
What year and what kind of vehicle? ... I bought it here... Can't you look it up?
(first of all, how in the heck am I supposed to know who you are and if you don't know what kind of vehicle you have how am I supposed to look it up?)Last edited by Rustybronco; 02-10-16 at 12:46 PM.
02-10-16 12:33 PMLike 0 - Better pic up that mic and explain why some vendors don't even allow BlackBerry access to APIs to BlackBerry could fund the development 100% themselves. Cue Troy with some hogwash about how costly THAT would be, and then cue my response about how a single developer in house at WhatsApp is able to keep the BlackBerry 10 version current, and it goes in unsubstantiated circles but in the end, what difference does it make?02-10-16 01:48 PMLike 0
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No company worth billions is going to allow anyone else to do anything like that. It would be better to tell those users "We don't support that platform," especially if most of those users have another phone or a tablet that can utilize their supported app.02-10-16 01:56 PMLike 3 - As far as I know, BB Apps allow users disallow an app to gain access to contacts, photos, etc. Google and Apple apps do not allow that feature. For instance, I can check off that I do not want the Wall Street Journal BB app to have access to my contacts, photos, etc.
When I want to install an Amazon App, it is either accept all or not have to app.
The developers that offer free apps want access to our data while BB10 provides the option for us to deny them that access. I believe some of the App problem for BB stems from our ability to deny devs access to our data.
I do not want to give these entities access to my photos, emails, etc. and I will live with the fact that I don't have every App in the universe.02-10-16 03:32 PMLike 0 - BBOS was the only game in town for a while, so they had the developers initially. As Android and Apple gained traction while BlackBerry hesitated, developers left in droves.
BB10 is actually very easy to develop for, but the ecosystem war was already over before it came out.
Posted via CB1002-10-16 03:32 PMLike 0 - The developers that offer free apps want access to our data while BB10 provides the option for us to deny them that access. I believe some of the App problem for BB stems from our ability to deny devs access to our data.
I do not want to give these entities access to my photos, emails, etc. and I will live with the fact that I don't have every App in the universe.
I have nearly 30 Apps in total, 3/4 are free and don't touch any user data at all.
And Android let's you turn permissions off, in 6.0 and above
Posted via CB1002-10-16 03:52 PMLike 0 - Hi, I need lug nuts for my car. Do you have them?
What year and what kind of vehicle? ... I bought it here... Can't you look it up?
(first of all, how in the heck am I supposed to know who you are and if you don't know what kind of vehicle you have how am I supposed to look it up?)
Many a time :P
I work on the shoe dept most of the time,
'Hi, I saw some shoes online, there where black do you have them?'
(Brand name, shoe name, rough idea what material, size needed, can you show me a picture ? This little scanner in my hand doesn't read minds I'm afraid)
Posted via CB1002-10-16 04:03 PMLike 0 - And ancient PalmOS has more granular control of access to user data than BB10. Something we will not likely see improved by BlackBerry.02-10-16 05:00 PMLike 0
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