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That would be like me expecting you to buy me a car that I get to drive and wear out, just because I can't afford to buy my own. It doesn't work that way - if I want a car, I need to earn one myself, not demand that you provide one for me.07-21-16 12:28 AMLike 5 -
- By letting forked users have access to the Gplay and Gapps they would still benefit from licensing and app sales, but this way they crippled the competition.
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- All BlackBerry needs to do is at least upgrade the damn UI and add features but nooooo, Chen has to let the best OS collect dust and help flood this smartphone market with Android devices. Shame on Chen. I'd love to hear what the BlackBerry founders think of all this. I wonder if they even use a BlackBerry still... Hmmm
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It reminds me of the HDTV boom in the mid-2000s. Hundreds of brands sprang to life to make flat-screen HDTVs - some being companies you'd heard of before (Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Samsung, LG), some that weren't TV brands before and in fact were just names licensed by no-name contractors (Polaroid, Kodak, Westinghouse), and some were generic "house-brand" or no-name TVs. TVs from the first category were expensive, while TVs from the second and third got progressively cheaper to buy - and many people did. But when those TVs failed - and oh boy did they start failing after a couple of years - the buyers found out that there was no company behind the name, and thus no parts or support. I'd bet that 90% of those TVs were no longer in use after 5 years; I'm in the Audio/Video business and I haven't seen one in years.
There is always a risk in buying things outside the mainstream - especially with tech items. Buying a mainstream product gives you a far greater chance of long-term support and third-party support. Buying a niche product comes with a very high risk of being abandoned by the manufacturer...07-21-16 06:31 PMLike 0 - Which is exactly what happened with a lot of those unlicensed (cheap) Android tablets - certain features didn't work and buyers tended to blame Android (and Google) rather than the device manufacturer, who had already made their money when they sold the device initially and weren't very interested in supporting it.
It reminds me of the HDTV boom in the mid-2000s. Hundreds of brands sprang to life to make flat-screen HDTVs - some being companies you'd heard of before (Sony, Panasonic, Toshiba, Samsung, LG), some that weren't TV brands before and in fact were just names licensed by no-name contractors (Polaroid, Kodak, Westinghouse), and some were generic "house-brand" or no-name TVs. TVs from the first category were expensive, while TVs from the second and third got progressively cheaper to buy - and many people did. But when those TVs failed - and oh boy did they start failing after a couple of years - the buyers found out that there was no company behind the name, and thus no parts or support. I'd bet that 90% of those TVs were no longer in use after 5 years; I'm in the Audio/Video business and I haven't seen one in years.
There is always a risk in buying things outside the mainstream - especially with tech items. Buying a mainstream product gives you a far greater chance of long-term support and third-party support. Buying a niche product comes with a very high risk of being abandoned by the manufacturer...
BlackBerry has still not abandoned the OS or their devices completely. Support has been hugely in decline, but the big impact of this has to do with 3rd party developers and not the manufacturer.
Also, the Android Runtime was not even a part of BB10 originally. That's right, zero ability to run Android apps. Remember that?!? So, the fact that we got it at all always was a bonus.
To use your TV analogy, (and throw in a bit of theoretical time travel) let's say smart tvs would have come out in the late 80's. All of a sudden your smart tv sends you an update in the mail (because smart tvs travelled through time but not the internet) that you can update the software to also be able to play Nintendo Entertainment System games directly from your smart tv. A few years go by and Super NES comes out. People who buy new smart tvs also have the ability to play SNES games in addition to regular NES (not Genesis games though, they have to choose which one they want before they decide on a brand of tv to purchase). Suddenly, people who bought the earlier ones are pissed because theirs are not able to play the most current games anymore. But that's also how technology works!!! You don't always get the latest and greatest software on a device that is several years old. It's not about the manufacturer abandoning their devices or their customers. It's just how technology progresses and things become outdated or unable to keep up with the current ones.
Something that I think people forget is that we running Android on top of another complete OS. A higher runtime requires a lot more horsepower to begin with. What do you think it would require to be able to run on top of another OS? I understand that BB10 is very lean and efficient but I also understand that Android is notasmuch. If I was BlackBerry, I probably would have tried to update the ART just to see what would happen. I will suggest the (however slight, I know) possibility that BlackBerry CHOSE not to update the runtime because it made the performance suffer too much. Even if it allowed some Android apps to run smoother, if it was at the expense of the rest of their own OS, and made for a poor user experience, they could have axed the idea themselves. Just like how the PlayBook never got BB10.
Yes, it is very likely that the reason is simply that they are not allowed because of the OHA. It is also possible that they chose not to because it would have had more bad results than good.07-21-16 07:09 PMLike 0 - 07-21-16 07:18 PMLike 2
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- Why don't they update the Android Run Time to AOSP 6.0? I mean, we could just side load play store and that's it, they don't need to add the Play Store in Stock software lol we can do it as we do it with Xiaomi phones, Remix OS etc etc
Is that hard?
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- Oh Lord, means they dig their own grave lol, well, there is nothing we can do about it...
We have to suck it up and enjoy our BB10 devices while they're still around... and after that move to Android.... hopefully by that time the BlackBerry launcher will be much more BlackBerry 10 like!
No need for app drawer anyone? Just like MIUI...
Or remember the Google now launcher? Instead of the flash cards, BlackBerry can just add the BlackBerry Hub on the very last screen to the left just like in BB10! They can do that.. if Google and HTC, and Xiaomi did it why couldn't BlackBerry?
Posted via CB1007-21-16 08:07 PMLike 0 -
While "support" technically continues, development definitely does not, and development is really what determines if an OS is alive or dead. The withdrawal of support from the third-party developers that did support BB10 is largely just a reflection of BB's withdrawal of support for BB10.
Rationalize it all you like, but the guys who develop for BB10 (except a handful that are doing the security updates) were all given pink slips 20 months ago, the buildings they worked in sold off, and they've found other jobs at other companies or otherwise moved on. That last round of cuts alone was 1400 people. BB couldn't restart development of BB10 even if it wanted to - it doesn't have the money, and they would have to build a team from scratch, and spend a year getting them up to speed before they could really do any work of substance - you can't just start a brand new team coding on something like an OS the first week through the door.
Hell, just ripping the Android Runtime out of BB10 would be a huge task, and something more than the current skeleton crew could handle, and that would be necessary before BB could sell any new BB10 phone - a phone, BTW, that would barely have any apps it could run.
No one familiar with a medium-to-large business could possibly take a look at BB's situation and tell you that new BB10 phones were possible. Nor would they tell you that significant development of BB10 is possible - because it isn't, and wouldn't be without a big round of hiring and a good amount of training, planning, and so on for many hundreds of employees. We'd know if that was going to happen LONG in advance, but there are no such job openings at BB.
It is what it is.JeepBB and StephanieMaks like this.07-21-16 09:42 PMLike 2 - BB10 hasn't been in active development for very close to 20 months now. That's 20 months of changes taking place in the rest of the tech world that has been breaking things one at a time.
While "support" technically continues, development definitely does not, and development is really what determines if an OS is alive or dead. The withdrawal of support from the third-party developers that did support BB10 is largely just a reflection of BB's withdrawal of support for BB10.
Rationalize it all you like, but the guys who develop for BB10 (except a handful that are doing the security updates) were all given pink slips 20 months ago, the buildings they worked in sold off, and they've found other jobs at other companies or otherwise moved on. That last round of cuts alone was 1400 people. BB couldn't restart development of BB10 even if it wanted to - it doesn't have the money, and they would have to build a team from scratch, and spend a year getting them up to speed before they could really do any work of substance - you can't just start a brand new team coding on something like an OS the first week through the door.
Hell, just ripping the Android Runtime out of BB10 would be a huge task, and something more than the current skeleton crew could handle, and that would be necessary before BB could sell any new BB10 phone - a phone, BTW, that would barely have any apps it could run.
No one familiar with a medium-to-large business could possibly take a look at BB's situation and tell you that new BB10 phones were possible. Nor would they tell you that significant development of BB10 is possible - because it isn't, and wouldn't be without a big round of hiring and a good amount of training, planning, and so on for many hundreds of employees. We'd know if that was going to happen LONG in advance, but there are no such job openings at BB.
It is what it is.
If it weren't for the physical keyboard, I wouldn't even consider the Priv over an iPhone at this point, or the Mercury when it comes out next year. I don't want an Android phone, otherwise. Maybe the iPhone virtual keyboard isn't so bad on one of the larger models. My wife has the iPhone SE and says she can't easily do long messages on it, the way I can on the PP, like this CB message.
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