- Hi all,
I've been working on a BB10 photo app. It came to mind today that I should reach out to the CrackBerry community for feedback on what people would like to see in their ultimate photo app. Note that my app is not currently geared to taking photos, but rather viewing them, editing them, deleting them, sharing them, etc, after they have been taken.
To grease the wheels, here is a long list of possible features and feature areas for consideration. Feel free to add your own or to comment on one of these areas with specific thoughts.
Code:- Sharing - Facebook - Twitter - Email Addresses / Email Groups - Multi-share: Efficiently being able to share to multiple places at once. - Others important to you? - Uploading - Picasa - Flickr - Dropbox - To your PC - Others important to you? - Easily deleting junk photos - Rating photos - Tagging photos (ex. Kids, Home, Cottage, Vacation, etc.) - Automatic tagging of photos based on facial recognition - Organizing photos into albums - Creating rules to automate certain things ex. Upload any 4 or 5 star photo to Picasa/Flickr/Dropbox ex. Delete any 1 star photo ex. Send grandparents and aunts/uncles an email for any 5 star photos with the tag "Kids" - Searching photos (by rating, by tags, by date/time, by location, etc) - Being able to search your photos via voice and natural language ex. "show me 4 and 5 star photos we've taken on vacation in the last 2 years" (where in this example "vacation" would be a tag you had been applying to photos) ex. "the best cottage photos we've taken this year" - Touching up photos - Adjusting brightness/contrast/warmth - Cropping - Rotating - Applying filters to photos - Being able to upload and/or then display the current photo on your PC - Sync'ing photos with PC - Aggregating comments that have been made on a photo from multiple services (Facebook, Twitter, etc) - Embedding social media photo comments into the photo's metadata for safe keeping
Yet another question is whether you find your BB10 device to be one you like taking photos with.
Thanks!
Danieleldricho likes this.05-05-14 09:15 PMLike 1 - Love Photo studio pro, however, unlike the OS7 version, they still haven't added the ability to add text. They do have a current amount of great add ons but am still disappointed that you can't add text.
Edit: and yes I love taking pictures with my Z10!!!! For a phone, it's a great little camera.
Posted via CB10 - Z10 'Powered by BlackBerry'danielbigham likes this.05-05-14 09:23 PMLike 1 - My advice would be concentrate on photo bookkeeping part of the app, this is what we really miss at this point. There are quite a few of Photo editors out there (Effetica Pro is my choice, has more tools and editing functionality than any other native photo app I know on BlackBerry). The best would be if instead of replicating the same functionality you could collaborate with some developers and call their apps when editing needs to be done. This will free your time for Pictures replacement app with much richer functionality you already listed. And of course I like to take pics with my Z10 and Q10 devicesdviles and danielbigham like this.05-06-14 05:59 AMLike 2
- Love Photo studio pro, however, unlike the OS7 version, they still haven't added the ability to add text. They do have a current amount of great add ons but am still disappointed that you can't add text.
Edit: and yes I love taking pictures with my Z10!!!! For a phone, it's a great little camera.
Glad to hear you love the Z10 camera!05-06-14 06:48 PMLike 0 - My advice would be concentrate on photo bookkeeping part of the app, this is what we really miss at this point. There are quite a few of Photo editors out there (Effetica Pro is my choice, has more tools and editing functionality than any other native photo app I know on BlackBerry). The best would be if instead of replicating the same functionality you could collaborate with some developers and call their apps when editing needs to be done. This will free your time for Pictures replacement app with much richer functionality you already listed. And of course I like to take pics with my Z10 and Q10 devices05-06-14 07:02 PMLike 0
- I know question wasn't addressed to me, but I have few use cases when you would use text on image. First - business reasons. Instead of describing certain changes of design/construction in long text description, one could add text notes to image. The other use case is in documents when you can highlight part of text and make a text note (would be great to have free form drawing also to do notes or highlights, but at least in Effetica you can select area and change its look or blur/darken outside). More trendy reason - memes.
I'm trying to advertise it, since they don't do it themselves Just like BlackBerry, community doing their marketing department job.danielbigham likes this.05-07-14 02:39 AMLike 1 - I know question wasn't addressed to me, but I have few use cases when you would use text on image. First - business reasons. Instead of describing certain changes of design/construction in long text description, one could add text notes to image. The other use case is in documents when you can highlight part of text and make a text note (would be great to have free form drawing also to do notes or highlights, but at least in Effetica you can select area and change its look or blur/darken outside). More trendy reason - memes.
I'm trying to advertise it, since they don't do it themselves Just like BlackBerry, community doing their marketing department job.05-07-14 08:15 AMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon SlayerI also think there are a bunch of similiar "photo editors" that all have typical features: frames, filters, rudimentary image controls, etc.
What I want is some far better image manipulation tools, including better color control tools with a better UI, high-quality resampling resize feature, "painting" features like good 'ol MS Paint (brushes, drawing, text, something that will show me ie JPEG metadata, something that will work with animated GIF files, something that will work in either landscape or portrait orientation, something that does not force me to save always in the same folder forcing me to constantly move and rename files every time I edit something, etc.
I'm sure there are others but that's what comes to the top of my skull at the moment.danielbigham likes this.05-07-14 09:03 AMLike 1 - What I want is some far better image manipulation tools, including better color control tools with a better UI, high-quality resampling resize feature, "painting" features like good 'ol MS Paint (brushes, drawing, text, something that will show me ie JPEG metadata, something that will work with animated GIF files, something that will work in either landscape or portrait orientation, something that does not force me to save always in the same folder forcing me to constantly move and rename files every time I edit something, etc.
I'm sure there are others but that's what comes to the top of my skull at the moment.05-07-14 02:12 PMLike 0 - CrackBerry community always welcomes good developers who support the platform Hope to see your apps in Top paid/grossing categories
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05-07-14 02:14 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
So your response comes across as sort-of reactionary, really.
High quality resizing is a rather expensive operation, better colour control involves higher precision image manipulation (much more RAM is needed), etc. Would you pay 100$ for a mobile photo editor? I doubt that I would The reason I advertise Effetica (even if developer has never asked me about this) is it gives one of the best price/quality ratios among native photo editors on BlackBerry 10. Except support for GIF and painting it supports all features you listed Painting, if I remember well, is planned for addition in future versions05-07-14 02:26 PMLike 0 - Just to be clear, I wasn't asking for Photoshop - far from it. Even on desktop I think Photoshop is massively overcomplicated for what I normally do. 90% of the simple (Non-"Paint") image manipulation I do is with something more like IrfanView, tbh.
So your response comes across as sort-of reactionary, really.
hmm, do we talk about the same Effetica? Filters are not silly if you know how and when to use them And they definitely not a huge percentage of what Effetica does. It's nice to be a critique especially if you have something constructive to propose...05-07-14 02:37 PMLike 0 - Facial recognition. And searching by person.
Link it with contacts and keep compatibility with Facebook tags and I will throw my money at you.
Posted via Z69bb10_fan and danielbigham like this.05-07-14 02:42 PMLike 2 - I also think there are a bunch of similiar "photo editors" that all have typical features: frames, filters, rudimentary image controls, etc.
What I want is some far better image manipulation tools, including better color control tools with a better UI, high-quality resampling resize feature, "painting" features like good 'ol MS Paint (brushes, drawing, text, something that will show me ie JPEG metadata, something that will work with animated GIF files, something that will work in either landscape or portrait orientation, something that does not force me to save always in the same folder forcing me to constantly move and rename files every time I edit something, etc.
I'm sure there are others but that's what comes to the top of my skull at the moment.
Thanks for some great feedback. Here are some follow up questions:
- Better color tools with a better UI: Some elaboration might be helpful here. What kind of color controls would you feel would be important?
- High-quality re-sampling resize: Interesting. I know what you're getting at, but I'm not familiar with where this would be an issue for people. I've never noticed poor image resizing quality -- where do you find you notice it?
- Painting features: Interesting. I hadn't really thought of that. For whatever reason, doing MS Paint style stuff on a BB10 device hasn't felt like an obvious "want" for me, but perhaps it is for other people. Can you help me catch the vision a bit here by giving examples of when you'd find this handy?
- JPEG metadata: Good thought, I didn't have that in my list. I'm also interesting in knowing examples of when this would come in handy. What EXIF information would you find useful to be able to look up?
- Animated GIFs. Another interesting thought. I wonder if animated GIFs would warrant a standalone app? Are you interested in creating animated GIFs? I haven't created any animated GIFs in the last 15 years... what sort of contexts are people creating them in these days?
- Portrait and landscape mode: Yup.
- Not forcing you to always save in the same folder: Interesting. I'm not quite following here. So, the problem you face is that you are wanting to save it into a particular folder, and it's annoying to have to go back and move the new image to that folder manually? This is something for me to think about. Currently my app only does image adjustments like brightness/contrast, and when you save it, it saves over the original file. (and makes a backup internally in the app incase you ever want to revert) Obviously that wouldn't be adequate if you were doing more significant edits such as MS Paint style changes, etc. The reason I save over the original image is that I find it annoying after fixing the brightness/contrast of an image to have the old crusty image still hanging around.
Thanks again for so much good feedback!05-07-14 05:35 PMLike 0 -
But yes, being able to do automatic face tagging and then to be able to search by person is a very cool feature.
Fascinating comment about "compatibility with Facebook tags". Let me see if I'm following properly: You can add tags to photos in Facebook (I think), and you're wondering about the ability to keep that in sync with the tags in the app. There would seem to be two possible directions:
1. Adding a tag in Facebook and wanting the app to see that tag and add it to the photo on the device.
2. Adding a tag to the photo on the device and wanting those tags to be propagated to Facebook when the photo is shared.
b. Even more advanced: When adding a tag later on the device to a photo already shared to Facebook, having the app apply that tag to the already-shared Facebook photo.
Is that the kind of thing you were getting at? For the above (1), (2) and (2b), are any one of those "most important"? Or were you wanting them all to work?
As for linking it with contacts -- could you clarify that? What kind of contact integration are you thinking of? (by the way, sadly, unless I'm mistaken, BB10 apps can only read email contacts, they can't read Facebook-derived contacts, etc. -- which in my case, since most of my contacts are from Facebook, is really frustrating)05-07-14 05:42 PMLike 0 - Scenario 2. Tagging photos on device and having it propagate when shared on Facebook.
Scenario 1 and 2b are a really cool idea, but might be a lot tougher, and beyond what I was thinking.
For linking to contacts, I meant the following;
Take picture of X person. Go on photo tagging portion of the app, click tag. (perhaps making a box around that person's head, to help with multiple people in a shot)
Then it asks who to tag it as: either someone in your contacts, so it gets that's person's name (no real need for more than that) or as someone new (just type in a custom name)
Later if you upload that photo to Facebook, it keeps those tags.
If it helps at all, an older phone I had, the NokiaN9 had that as a default built-in function. It indexed people's faces as you tagged them in photos, and actually started predicting them pretty decently.
The N9 source code is open source, so maybe you'll wanna hit those forums and check it out? If I still had mine, I would shoot some video to show you what I am speaking.
Hopefully this helps
Posted via Z69danielbigham likes this.05-07-14 06:08 PMLike 1 -
This is able to be done on photo studio pro on both OS7 and PlayBook bit no option on BB10 yet for some reason.
Posted via CB10 - Z10 'Powered by BlackBerry'danielbigham likes this.05-07-14 06:34 PMLike 1 - Seems suggestions to a replacement Pictures app is good... I hate the app...
So..... ummmmm... is your ham big?? Lol
Posted via CB10 app with my trusty Z1005-07-14 07:14 PMLike 0 - Scenario 2. Tagging photos on device and having it propagate when shared on Facebook.
Scenario 1 and 2b are a really cool idea, but might be a lot tougher, and beyond what I was thinking.
For linking to contacts, I meant the following;
Take picture of X person. Go on photo tagging portion of the app, click tag. (perhaps making a box around that person's head, to help with multiple people in a shot)
Then it asks who to tag it as: either someone in your contacts, so it gets that's person's name (no real need for more than that) or as someone new (just type in a custom name)
Later if you upload that photo to Facebook, it keeps those tags.
If it helps at all, an older phone I had, the NokiaN9 had that as a default built-in function. It indexed people's faces as you tagged them in photos, and actually started predicting them pretty decently.
The N9 source code is open source, so maybe you'll wanna hit those forums and check it out? If I still had mine, I would shoot some video to show you what I am speaking.
Hopefully this helps
Posted via Z6905-07-14 07:56 PMLike 0 -
And yes, isn't it great having such a joke worthy last name?05-07-14 07:58 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
I never claimed what you said was offensive, I wrote that it was reactionary.
So let me get this straight: you're telling me that I have to like a particular way of modifying images, because you have individually and solely determined that they are useful, and must be useful to others. Gotcha.
Yes, that is why I called your original response reactionary.05-07-14 09:35 PMLike 0 - OmnitechDragon Slayer
Personally, my most common frustration with it is how it organizes images and makes it hard to drill down into desired folders without a lot of extra work.
For example, it does not show filenames at all in list or viewing mode - kind of an amazing omission. You have to go into "properties" separately on each image to see the filename.
Gah, didn't even see that swipe until you pointed it out.
Something which for example popped up a "magnified dial" or something when adjusting a setting, which allowed more fine control than a small slider would be one idea. Having the ability to adjust multiple interrelated parameters in a 2-dimensional control surface might be another. Batch processing would be another great feature. Oftentimes you have non-ideal camera or lighting characteristics that you can effectively correct afterwards but not without a lot of tweaking. But if it takes me 5 minutes to adjust all the controls just right, and I then have 10 more images taken at the same time in the same place with the same correction needs, I'd be inclined to jump off a cliff if I had to spend 5 minutes on each of those 10 images just to try to replicate those same adjustments 10 times.
In the old days, simple image editing programs resized images by clipping or doubling the pixels. Perhaps this is not an issue with modern image editing apps (or zooming on the screen in general nowadays), but you really have to re-sample at the destination pixel density in order for the image quality to look decent. I may be showing my age here.
- Painting features: Interesting. I hadn't really thought of that. For whatever reason, doing MS Paint style stuff on a BB10 device hasn't felt like an obvious "want" for me, but perhaps it is for other people. Can you help me catch the vision a bit here by giving examples of when you'd find this handy?
There's a freebie app I have tried called "Painter", but it's so rudimentary as to be hardly useful to me. (IE it has 2.. count 'em... 2 tools: simple drawing brush, and eraser. Oh boy! ) Among other things, I could really use a select/copy/paste transparent brush feature, where I can select part of an image and then paste it into another image. (Though this starts to get into territory that one might want to just use a desktop computer. )
Other features: flood fill, different types of brushes (ie "spraycan", "crayon", etc.), text overlay, fine rotation, "stretching" or "perspective stretching", etc.
- Animated GIFs. Another interesting thought. I wonder if animated GIFs would warrant a standalone app? Are you interested in creating animated GIFs? I haven't created any animated GIFs in the last 15 years... what sort of contexts are people creating them in these days?
Animated GIFS are very trendy these days, they are the "poor man's video" and used for things like memes, social network avatars (including in BBM), blog posts, and so on.
I don't know if I'd want to do a lot of creating (though probably some), but I want to be able to at the very least see the animation in an app without having to load it into a browser or something, and look at individual frames if I want to see what is actually there on each frame.
- Not forcing you to always save in the same folder: Interesting. I'm not quite following here. So, the problem you face is that you are wanting to save it into a particular folder, and it's annoying to have to go back and move the new image to that folder manually?
Yes. Effetica for example has a "default save folder" setting, which in reality means "ONLY save folder". If I want the edited image to be somewhere else (yanno, like, for example the folder the original was in???), I have to keep moving edited files out of the "save folder". I'd like the ability to specify the destination folder when I save an image if I want. (Or at LEAST some other options like "save in original folder" or something.) Worse, I cannot control the filename in Effectica so half the time I feel like I'm spending more time renaming and moving files after the fact than I actually spent editing it in Effetica.
This is something for me to think about. Currently my app only does image adjustments like brightness/contrast, and when you save it, it saves over the original file. (and makes a backup internally in the app incase you ever want to revert) Obviously that wouldn't be adequate if you were doing more significant edits such as MS Paint style changes, etc. The reason I save over the original image is that I find it annoying after fixing the brightness/contrast of an image to have the old crusty image still hanging around.
The pleasure is mine.05-07-14 10:33 PMLike 0
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