1. BBRookie2015's Avatar
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    Last edited by BBRookie2015; 01-01-15 at 04:25 PM.
    01-01-15 03:49 PM
  2. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    In a business environment, you would run BlackBerry Enterprise Server, Version 12 software on a server and use it to manage your mobile devices such as BlackBerry, Apple and Android phones. Microsoft Exchange is an email server program used by many businesses. BES12 works with Exchange to securely send and receive users email to their mobile devices.
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    01-01-15 04:53 PM
  3. BBRookie2015's Avatar
    How do I get that kind of security on my personal device / email if I'm not a business. There has to be a way (?)...! I bought a Blackberry for security, but if I can't get BES what's the point of keeping the Blackberry. It seems I'm as "unsecure" as any other phone (iPhone, Android, etc).
    01-01-15 05:49 PM
  4. jmr1015's Avatar
    How do I get that kind of security on my personal device / email if I'm not a business. There has to be a way (?)...! I bought a Blackberry for security, but if I can't get BES what's the point of keeping the Blackberry. It seems I'm as "unsecure" as any other phone (iPhone, Android, etc).
    As far as I know, as a stand alone consumer device, using standard email accounts like GMail or Yahoo or whatever, standard carrier SMS, or any basic messaging service like WhatsApp... Your BlackBerry is just as secure or unsecure as any other phone.

    As I understand it (and I'm no Enterprise or security expert) secure communications only work when the sending and receiving device are both using the same encryption. You can have the most "secure" device ever, but if you're communicating with servers or devices that are not secure, across networks that are not secure, then your devices security means little. Security is only as strong as its weakest link. This is why BES is strong. All the devices on the same BES network can communicate with one another very securely.
    01-01-15 06:21 PM
  5. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    And it also allows a secure way to a private email server without having to expose it to the internet directly. If you're using a public service for your email provider, then this is a moot point.

    Security is a very broad term. Why do I get the feeling I'm being baited?
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    01-01-15 06:28 PM
  6. BBRookie2015's Avatar
    So the security advantage of owning a BB phone is really only if I'm on BES... and communicating to someone also on BES. But not just anyone on BES...someone within my company. Intra-company communication is where the security is at, not INTER-company (between companies). Is this accurate?

    In other words, the President's phone is secure and encrypted when speaking with people on the same server/BES. But if he called me on my BES server (assuming I could figure out how to get that), it wouldn't be encrypted.

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    01-01-15 06:32 PM
  7. jmr1015's Avatar
    So the security advantage of owning a BB phone is really only if I'm on BES... and communicating to someone also on BES. But not just anyone on BES...someone within my company. Intra-company communication is where the security is at, not INTER-company (between companies). Is this accurate?

    In other words, the President's phone is secure and encrypted when speaking with people on the same server/BES. But if he called me on my BES server (assuming I could figure out how to get that), it wouldn't be encrypted.

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    if you want to know about the Presidents BlackBerry: Top Level Telecommunications: How Obama's BlackBerry got secured

    In short, the Presidents BlackBerry is nothing like an everyday BlackBerry, or even like a corporate Enterprise BlackBerry on BES. It is a fully customized BlackBerry with software and functionality designed specifically for use by the president.
    01-01-15 06:42 PM
  8. BBRookie2015's Avatar
    Thanks, but I'm not really interested in HIS security. I want to know how to be the most secure as a non-president BB owner. Back to the original question: BB communications are secure within an organization or between devices on the same server. If I don't have BES, my email is no more secure than an Android owner, so it seems from the above comments. Even if I could get BES, I would only be secure when sending emails to people within my organization. Emails to anyone else are vulnerable. Is this an accurate conclusion?
    01-01-15 06:56 PM
  9. TheScionicMan's Avatar
    BES provides a conduit between a mobile device and an email server. The email server can negotiate the level of security it communicates to other email servers with, but other than that, you have little control of the email once it leaves your server. BES does not make email any more secure between servers than not having it. One of the keys to BES security is having control of the environment it works within. Unless you also control the email server and its security, you're at the mercy of whoever does. If you're concerned about secure communications, look into PGP and get everyone you communicate with to join in too.
    01-01-15 11:36 PM
  10. The Big Picture's Avatar
    Any blackberry even without BES is more secure than iphone/android

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcwebe...r-my-iphone-6/


    "According to every cybersecurity expert that I have consulted both in the United States and Europe, Blackberry is still the most secure smartphone that is available. I submitted new phones, with the latest operating system, to Paraben, a globally recognized cellular forensics lab,*and to Dr. Richard Mislan,*a cybersecurity and forensics specialist at Rochester Institute of Technology*for a vulnerability analysis. Both of these experts confirmed the high level of security of the devices.


    Every Blackberry was designed and built on a security-based platform, which distinguished it from every other smartphone vendor. The Blackberry OS expertise with security predates Android and iOS by several years so that virtually every aspect of data storage, applications, interaction with other devices, and communications is protected."

    The kernel developed by QNX makes the blackberry more secure than other OS.

    Unless of course you think you know better than Dr.Richard Mislan of RIT.



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    01-01-15 11:42 PM
  11. BanffMoose's Avatar
    Thanks, but I'm not really interested in HIS security. I want to know how to be the most secure as a non-president BB owner. Back to the original question: BB communications are secure within an organization or between devices on the same server. If I don't have BES, my email is no more secure than an Android owner, so it seems from the above comments. Even if I could get BES, I would only be secure when sending emails to people within my organization. Emails to anyone else are vulnerable. Is this an accurate conclusion?
    Any email to any user of a public email service such as Gmail, Hotmail, Yahoo, etc aren't secure by definition. No device can secure what is inherently insecure. If you can't control access to the email server, then the email is insecure. Plus, internet email is by default transmitted in plain text. No security there at all.

    If you want security, you need to run your own email server (MS Exchange or IBM Domino). A mobility solution such as BES or Good or Mobile Iron, give you more control and management capabilities over your phone and the content on the phone. You really need to research BES as BES offers far more security features than we can touch here.

    As far as other phones are concerned, Android is the least secure. Google uses it as a platform to drive ads and much of Android is designed to send data to Google's servers. You also hear of it being notoriously difficult to restrict app permissions on Android. Apple is a little more secure than Android. BlackBerry on the other hand allow you to set/change app permissions on an app by app basis and most BB10 apps (and the old BBOS apps) run fine when you remove any questionable (including all) permissions. Plus most BB10 native apps are either freemium or paid apps. Very few are ad driven. So you get a bit of security/privacy that way.

    You can also research BES Cloud. I don't know if you still need your own email server, but you can get hosted BES services if you need it.

    Hope this helps.
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    01-02-15 06:05 AM
  12. WaveSystemsInc's Avatar
    Hi please understand that a blackberry offers internal encryption and the wides support for different Encryption algorithms. If you as a private individual would like to use Email encryption you will have to get an S/MIME certificate as this is the only way of encrypting and signing email without using a BES solution. There are companies offering Exchange Mailboxes and BlackBerry Push mail but they don't normally allow you to create your own Email Profiles and IT policies.
    And in regards to sending email outside of your companies BES environment, this completely depends if your Administrator allows this yes or no. Also if you are using S/MIME or PGP with Key's and Certificates generated by your companies internal PKI the Certificate Stores Root CA certificate is most likely not available on external devices or browsers. so the external recipient can not verify the validity or signature but the mail would still be encrypted. The main issue with not using the same BES is automatic certificate retrieval. so if you are on my Domain and I sent a encrypted email to you the device will pull your Public Key/Certificate from the AD external users will have to manually import your Key/Certificate and store it locally on the device. BTW there are many companies offering managed Blackberry with PGP or S/MIME but subscriptions are expensive ($2000+ per year)
    01-09-15 09:54 AM

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