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  1. early2bed's Avatar
    Perhaps I'm missing something but I can't see how device sales keep falling as the smartphone market keeps growing plus all the Blackberry corporate moves made in the past year.
    A large percentage of BlackBerry devices are still legacy BBOS handsets and are not being replaced by BlackBerry devices, especially the enterprise deployments.
    07-04-15 09:48 AM
  2. pbfan's Avatar
    "BES12 is still suffering from the millions of BBOS users that are slowly being phased out, along with those what we once considered minor BIS License fees."

    But isn't BES12 backwards compatible to BBOS ? Wouldn't it just be another device type like Android or IOS ?

    Perhaps I'm missing something but I can't see how device sales keep falling as the smartphone market keeps growing plus all the Blackberry corporate moves made in the past year.

    Has it all had a cumulative negative effect on people buying Blackberry ?
    You can search problems for BES12 supports for BBOS. (BTW BES12 has terrible documentation. )
    07-04-15 10:06 AM
  3. EchoTango's Avatar
    I just watched the CBC interview with Chen and I must say it was eye opening.

    He mentioned the 2,600 BES12 new licenses for this quarter and then noted that Blackberry had at one time 80,000 BES licenses and that 2,600 was just a drop in the bucket when compared. I'm not sure the total number of BES licenses today, but I'll bet it's nowhere near 80K.

    I couldn't imagine the panic in Waterloo when a few years ago the devices volumes started to tank and the BES renewals dried up in such huge and significant numbers. No wonder Mike, Jim and Thor were axed along with much of the senior management.

    Its only now we can see how close to Chapter 11 Blackberry really was and unfortunately how far they have to go to comeback to even equal their former glory days. .
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    07-12-15 10:36 AM
  4. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    I just watched the CBC interview with Chen and I must say it was eye opening.

    He mentioned the 2,600 BES12 new licenses for this quarter and then noted that Blackberry had at one time 80,000 BES licenses and that 2,600 was just a drop in the bucket when compared. I'm not sure the total number of BES licenses today, but I'll bet it's nowhere near 80K.

    I couldn't imagine the panic in Waterloo when a few years ago the devices volumes started to tank and the BES renewals dried up in such huge and significant numbers. No wonder Mike, Jim and Thor were axed along with much of the senior management.

    Its only now we can see how close to Chapter 11 Blackberry really was and unfortunately how far they have to go to comeback to even equal their former glory days. .
    Didn't see the interview... I kinda taught that the 2,600 "wins" were companies and not individual licenses.

    Nor was I aware BES ever had that many licenses... didn't think the whole BBOS/BB10 userbase ever reached that high.

    But yes the company has bee very quite about overall real numbers, and with BIS muddying the waters it is very had to tell what is going on in the Services division. BIS at one time was just small potatoes, but it seems to now be having a pretty big effect on the company... and there are still about 20K legacy users out there. Not sure how many of them are BES vs BIS....

    But you also have to look at how the competition has force BlackBerry to cut their margins on BES, as well as supporting iOS, Android and Windows does lead to additional cost from licensing to just simply having more development cost.

    I think the Service division has a good product... but I think the name BlackBerry and the companies finical problems are leading some companies to go different routes.
    07-13-15 09:51 AM
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