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Posted via CB1011-22-13 11:33 AMLike 0 -
1) Blackberry had a best in class keyboard, with best in class keyboard shortcuts.
2) BBM meant you did not have to pay for every text message you sent. This was a significant cost saving for many. BBM was also significantly better than SMS/MMS.Otech#CB likes this.11-22-13 12:22 PMLike 1 -
As for best in class keyboard... that is like saying you make the best parachutes. Sure people that need parachutes are going to come to you, but that is a niche market. I'm not planning to jump out of any airplane.11-22-13 03:26 PMLike 0 - And that matters how?
Wanting to believe in something is great, as long as you recognize that there are risk associated with it. I bet that most of your marketing professors would have told you that BlackBerry is a risk right now! If you can admit that you are being speculative with BBRY and that you are going to watch it carefully for an further signs of weakness... you'll be fine. If you blindly BELIEVE in BBRY and think that magically one day people will buy existing BB10 devices, or that a few tweaks to BB10 will bring consumers over... you need to stick with the existing thread and the rest of the "we are long on BBRY" true believers. (it's littered with the "broke" wreaks of once true believers)
Personally I think BBRY IS a buy right now - can see it being an easy 25% gain in the short term.... but I don't have much faith in BlackBerry as a whole company for the long term.
Kids today..... :-)11-22-13 03:44 PMLike 2 - This poster, has said a lot of really misguided things in this thread and another to which i replied to him. You see he is a marketing student, is reading about BB in class (this is the take-home message from the class, I would certainly run from this prof/university! LOL) It is people like YOU who are countering the stock and marketing efforts, and yes, he believes that Chen's vision of mobile computing is correct, and he believes Chen understands what it takes......(I believe he receives messages from Chen while he sleeps)
Kids today..... :-)
In addition, before I got the Q10 I was on the verge of getting an HTC One to replace the iPhone 5 which I got to test for a month. All because my friend who worked at T-Mobile convinced me that its a great phone! I was going to get the Z10 at the time. And then I heard the Q10 was coming out a little later, so I waited. I knew BlackBerry's capabilities. I wasn't tooo stubborn to give up my iPhone 5. And I've used the iPod Touch for a while so I know their OS. BB10 was new to the market. A market of iSHEEP and Android lovers. It was too big of a switch/leap for the simpletons to make. I ain't talking out of my ***. It's the truth dammit.11-22-13 04:08 PMLike 0 - You are misunderstanding the market. Not focusing on the numbers as you admit is a big mistake here. It is not a "game." They are real and scary. They were lent $1B at 6% with a break up and conversion fee. Investors got great terms from BBRY, not the other way around. IF the real market believed in BBRY they could have got that money for about 4% with no equity rights. PW HAD TO invest to save his investment on $500M "paper" loss. Either a) he COULD NOT raise the 4B+ he needed to buy it or b) the internal numbers were so bad he didn't want to buy it. Either way the reaction and Stock price says it all. I think you should finish your classes first before you pontificate. "Smart" investors took a bath at 50, 40, 30,20 and even 10 in BBRY..... 5B z30's sold.....
I am going to guess, and I could be wrong, that you go to school in Canada? I can assure you most MBA programs are not using BBRY as an example of anything these days though if BBRY fails, they certainly will use it as a prime example of hubris, failure to adapt to the market place, what not to do and BoD mismanagement.
What the current situation with BlackBerry may well be is a great example of the market judging long term trends on the basis of short term outcomes. One can only assume these financial wizards did rather poorly indeed at science.
Posted with my shiny new Z30Otech#CB and plasmid_boy like this.11-22-13 04:14 PMLike 2 - Ya, well, the marketeers have been overwhelmingly unsuccessful at predicting any sort of trends whatsoever in the marketplace. That is because business experts are experts in pretty much nothing at all. Speaking of hubris.
What the current situation with BlackBerry may well be is a great example of the market judging long term trends on the basis of short term outcomes. One can only assume these financial wizards did rather poorly indeed at science.
Posted with my shiny new Z3011-22-13 04:37 PMLike 0 -
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even if they still have good userbase number they must work very hard and very fast...to turn around their dropping sales number before their key market completely ignore BB..
i dont think BB recovery in key market can match android phone penetration the android phone maker are getting more agressive with their pricing, specs, and marketing. you can get $50 android phone off contract with ok specs, bbm, large apps selection, ok camera.
besides public perception about BB in indonesia and several key market ...already following people in US
android / iphone is cool
WP not mainstream
BB uncool,overpriced, last year,lack of apps, outdated phoneLast edited by garnok; 11-23-13 at 06:11 AM.
11-23-13 06:00 AMLike 0 - maybe because BB still have good enough user base/marketshare number so BB Brand still exist even if the numbers keep dropping...not like other market like the US etc where user base are below 2% make it BB brand almost completely gone from everyone mind.
even if they still have good userbase number they must work very hard and very fast...to turn around their dropping sales number before their key market completely ignore BB..
i dont think BB recovery in key market can match android phone penetration the android phone maker are getting more agressive with their pricing, specs, and marketing. you can get $50 android phone off contract with ok specs, bbm, large apps selection, ok camera.
besides public perception about BB in indonesia and several key market ...already following people in US
android / iphone is cool
WP not mainstream
BB uncool,overpriced, last year,lack of apps, outdated phone
I don't think BBm has much of a future in developed nations but in these last holdouts, BBM may well help accelerate the disappearance of BB07.11-23-13 06:29 AMLike 2 - I think it inevitable Garnok..we've seen the pattern repeat, and BB has absolutely nothing to fight it and keep it from occurring in all those other markets. Actually it was probably iphone that did the heavy damage to BB in the developed markets, whereas it's cheap android - as you and others mention - leading the attack in many of these other markets.. BB07 certainly cannot sustainably fight into the future....it would be like trying to hold back a modern army with a sword, a lance, and a suit of armor. In any country where data plans can be offered reasonably BB07 will lose it's ground.
I don't think BBm has much of a future in developed nations but in these last holdouts, BBM may well help accelerate the disappearance of BB07.
and their BB10 phone already getting very huge price cut i guess because lack of sales...Z10 only $350 , Q10 only $500, Q5 only 300 and if you consider huge tax for import mobile phone BB will only get lower margin than they get from other countries.
regular data plan already being offered cheaper then BIS...you can get 600mb data for $ 2.5 , 3GB for $6 . while for BB plan you have to pay minimum $4.5 only to use BBM and social network (FB & twitter) if you want to have full service include browsing etc you have to pay $10 but still you cant use youtube and the connection speed are very slow
if BB want to take back their key market they have to offer cheap BB10 phone lower than $150 and offer apps selection that popular...but if they cant they should say good bye to their key market,,,techvisor likes this.11-23-13 09:15 AMLike 1 - yup BBM has already release previous BB user to freely choose other platfrom....right now every samsung / LG / iPhone already being advertised as BBM ready in indonesia...and while it is good to make BBM popular but it is already kill BB sales in here, everytime i see their store it always empty very different with samsung store beside them...
and their BB10 phone already getting very huge price cut i guess because lack of sales...Z10 only $350 , Q10 only $500, Q5 only 300 and if you consider huge tax for import mobile phone BB will only get lower margin than they get from other countries.
regular data plan already being offered cheaper then BIS...you can get 600mb data for $ 2.5 , 3GB for $6 . while for BB plan you have to pay minimum $4.5 only to use BBM and social network (FB & twitter) if you want to have full service include browsing etc you have to pay $10 but still you cant use youtube and the connection speed are very slow
if BB want to take back their key market they have to offer cheap BB10 phone lower than $150 and offer apps selection that popular...but if they cant they should say good bye to their key market,,,
Edit: Initial down payment is what I am referring to.Last edited by Otech#CB; 11-23-13 at 03:36 PM.
11-23-13 03:03 PMLike 0 - $150 with contract? or for an unlocked phone? I think if its with a contract, then that's cool. Even $100 for a Z10 is good with contract, and $50 for the Q5 with contract. That's my take, but I wouldn't know what all of India's population is willing to pay.
Edit: Initial down payment is what I am referring to.
but not just the price they need to add popular apps like instagram, path, etc. today phone buyers always consider apps before they buy a phome11-23-13 06:58 PMLike 0 - $150 off contract...some emerging market you have to pay full price for a phone....no subsidized phone...but you can pay it 6 - 24 month installment 0% interest in indonesia
but not just the price they need to add popular apps like instagram, path, etc. today phone buyers always consider apps before they buy a phome
The apps are well on there way. iGrann (instagram), Blackgram is already out. Whine (Vine) is on its way too. And on top of that you can sideload the android apps you want. And you can also download the leak 10.2.1.1055 which lets you install the apk straight from your phone. And on top of that you can install the 3rd party android app stores. BlackBerry cannot totally drop those costs like the cheap Androids. I mean its still a BlackBerry, and they need to maintain an image. I mean they can if there absolutely no Z10 selling, but it would be kinda bad to have cheaper Z10's over there than over here. The Q5 is by far the best choice for lowering price. That's just my opinion though.11-23-13 07:07 PMLike 0 - "Maintain an image"?
Sorry but they are going to have to spend millions, probably close to a billion to overcome their current image.
Apps are improving, but has a Long way to go before they have what consumers will be willing to "deal" with.
But their are multiple problems keeping consumers away.
Posted via CB10techvisor likes this.11-23-13 08:31 PMLike 1 - "Maintain an image"?
Sorry but they are going to have to spend millions, probably close to a billion to overcome their current image.
Apps are improving, but has a Long way to go before they have what consumers will be willing to "deal" with.
But their are multiple problems keeping consumers away.
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So it's not so much a matter of price that's drawing people away. In a way, people don't see BlackBerry the same as they used to. Which is why when they spend millions, I think it should go towards marketing. Also a little spend some on developer companies if they want them to make their own Native BB10 app (snapchat, instagram, vine and whatever sounds like a big one to you. These apps have large communities that can potentially bring people to the company.That's my opinion. Maybe they don't even need to spend on the big developer companies, they will eventually come when they see users on the BlackBerry platform, as well as those great 3rd party apps I mentioned. And hopefully it'll be a chain reaction.
What are your thoughts? What do you think they should be doing?
Edit: A drop in price will not benefit the company's image, or value.
Posted via CB1011-23-13 09:05 PMLike 0 - The company as is now is likely "doomed". There really isn't another chance to turn around. We're counting down the days to the future of Blackberry, which may be bought out or broken up or bankruptcy.
What Blackberry could have done was manufacture Android devices. History, with WebOS and Symbian, dictates that, generally speaking, hardware companies cannot turn into software companies and that most cannot balance developing hardware and software at the same time.
Edit: A drop in price will not benefit the company's image, or value.
Revenue is everything and if a lower price can raise BBRY's revenue, even if BBRY may actually lose more money, it will become a more valuable company overall.11-23-13 11:30 PMLike 2 - The company as is now is likely "doomed". There really isn't another chance to turn around. We're counting down the days to the future of Blackberry, which may be bought out or broken up or bankruptcy.
What Blackberry could have done was manufacture Android devices. History, with WebOS and Symbian, dictates that, generally speaking, hardware companies cannot turn into software companies and that most cannot balance developing hardware and software at the same time.
On the contrary, there is value in higher revenue/volume of devices shipped. Many companies like Amazon are valuated solely on their revenue. The reason Nokia, which earns negative dollars in its device division, is worth so much more than BBRY? Revenue.
Revenue is everything and if a lower price can raise BBRY's revenue, even if BBRY may actually lose more money, it will become a more valuable company overall.
Sorry for the long post. Hope we can keep this informative, you and I.11-24-13 12:53 AMLike 0 - Oh I see.
The apps are well on there way. iGrann (instagram), Blackgram is already out. Whine (Vine) is on its way too. And on top of that you can sideload the android apps you want. And you can also download the leak 10.2.1.1055 which lets you install the apk straight from your phone. And on top of that you can install the 3rd party android app stores. BlackBerry cannot totally drop those costs like the cheap Androids. I mean its still a BlackBerry, and they need to maintain an image. I mean they can if there absolutely no Z10 selling, but it would be kinda bad to have cheaper Z10's over there than over here. The Q5 is by far the best choice for lowering price. That's just my opinion though.
yup BB already make improvement by allowing APK without need to convert it to BAR, but we still need to wait the result first...is it as good as they say or it has to many flaw example lag, limited feature, unstable apps, freezing etc.
today BB Brand are not being recognized as high end brand.and people dont want to buy an expensive BB phone..especially in emerging market
so for BB to move forward they need to spend billion dollars of advertising (same as samsung)....or they make a reasonable low end BB10 phone price with top apps selection..the clock is ticking for BB ...they are losing their market share every quarter ,they cant make mistake as they did in the past11-24-13 01:40 AMLike 0 -
today BB Brand are not being recognized as high end brand.and people dont want to buy an expensive BB phone..especially in emerging market
so for BB to move forward they need to spend billion dollars of advertising (same as samsung)....or they make a reasonable low end BB10 phone price with top apps selection..the clock is ticking for BB ...they are losing their market share every quarter ,they cant make mistake as they did in the past11-24-13 03:25 PMLike 0 - And here I am having bought at $12 and held all the way through $18. Meh tax deductible and my sum isn't too big. I like to look at the upside. Be brave when those around you are afraid. Be afraid when they're brave. Just don't risk the farm doing it!
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