1. wincyUt's Avatar
    For all those who think that "specs" is everything and that BlackBerry should have higher specs than the competion even if it ain't necessary, please take note. Even HTC is now trying to educate the consumer that it is a myth.

    Somewhere between the middle mark to the end of the CES video the HTC Rep clearly states that.

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    01-09-14 11:00 AM
  2. ab190670's Avatar
    Forget mega pixels it's the size of the sensor and size of photosites on the sensor unles you want to print huge or crop
    01-09-14 11:33 AM
  3. rogeryen's Avatar
    For all those who think that "specs" is everything and that BlackBerry should have higher specs than the competion even if it ain't necessary, please take note. Even HTC is now trying to educate the consumer that it is a myth.

    Somewhere between the middle mark to the end of the CES video the HTC Rep clearly states that.

    look where that got them though
    01-09-14 11:38 AM
  4. m1kr0's Avatar
    Thank you. What is said above is so true. The reality is the consumer sees 16 MP and drool, not knowing better. Same with the other cellphone components because it has now become a specs game. If you are not running the latest 64 bit processor your phone is outdated - so last year. Biggest load of rubbish.

    STL 100-1 OS 10.2.1.1925
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    01-09-14 11:44 AM
  5. dpeters11's Avatar
    Forget mega pixels it's the size of the sensor and size of photosites on the sensor unles you want to print huge or crop
    And software. At least on the Nexus 5, Google released Android 4.4.1 that dramatically improved camera performance.
    01-09-14 11:49 AM
  6. wincyUt's Avatar
    look where that got them though
    Hope you are not solely attributing HTC's "specs" philosophy to its profitability or market share?
    01-09-14 11:56 AM
  7. trsbbs's Avatar
    Try zooming in on a low pixel image compared to a high pixel one.

    Big difference no matter what they say.

    Another "dupe the public" effort.

    CB10 via Verizon Z10. 10.2.1.1925
    01-09-14 05:46 PM
  8. arfin's Avatar
    lol it looks like htc's argument was lost on op as well. How do you know that their camera assembly was cheaper then just slapping in a 13mp assembly? They are arguing that they put in better sensor which to me means better specs.

    In BlackBerry case they didn't do that at all, so what HTC did is nothing like what BlackBerry did with the camera.

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    01-10-14 01:58 AM
  9. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    The number of pixels matters for many applications, but the size and sensitivity of the sensor also matters, as do the quality of the optics and the software that controls the camera and image processing. None of this is new information to anyone familiar with photography (digital photography especially). There is a very good reason why DSLRs have much bigger sensors than point-and-shoot cameras have (which are themselves much bigger than the sensors in cell phone cameras), and why medium and large-format cameras have bigger sensors still: because sensor size makes a difference in quality.

    The question becomes: how to balance picture quality with other important considerations, such as size, weight, cost, and power usage? Cell phone manufacturers have to balance all of those considerations and try to pick a piece of hardware that will appeal to the greatest number of users, or, in a few cases, hardware that will target a specific set of users (like Nokia's 41 MP camera does).

    There is no one "right" answer, any more than there is one right answer for the specs on a vehicle motor. The motor you need for a 2400-pound economy commuter car is a whole lot different than what you need in a 5700-pound SUV, and that's different than what you need in a big-rig that needs to pull 12 tons, 300,000 miles a year, for 20 years. It's all about defining a specific set of goals, and then balancing your selection based on that set of criteria.
    Last edited by Troy Tiscareno; 01-11-14 at 03:13 PM. Reason: typo
    01-10-14 04:33 PM
  10. m1kr0's Avatar
    The number of pixels matters for many applications, but the size and sensitivity of the sensor also matters, as do the quality of the optics and the software the controls it. None of this is new information to anyone familiar with photography (digital photography especially). There is a very good reason why DSLRs have much bigger sensors than point-and-shoot cameras have (which are themselves much bigger than the sensors in cell phone cameras), and why medium and large-format cameras have bigger sensors still: because sensor size makes a difference in quality.

    The question becomes: how to balance picture quality with other important considerations, such as size, weight, cost, and power usage? Cell phone manufacturers have to balance all of those considerations and try to pick a piece of hardware that will appeal to the greatest number of users, or, in a few cases, hardware that will target a specific set of users (like Nokia's 41 MP camera does).

    There is no one "right" answer, any more than there is one right answer for the specs on a vehicle motor. The motor you need for a 2400-pound economy commuter car is a whole lot different than what you need in a 5700-pound SUV, and that's different than what you need in a big-rig that needs to pull 12 tons, 300,000 miles a year, for 20 years. It's all about defining a specific set of goals, and then balancing your selection based on that set of criteria.
    True words. Now how to guess what the consumer will want? That's easy: higher number pixels = better camera, right? Like you said, it is not as simplistic as that.

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    01-11-14 12:41 AM
  11. jake simmons3's Avatar
    Numbers sells it's a simple as that as sad it is to say but 90 percent of the consumers don't know anything about technology. They hear 64 bit or 15 mega pixel and think there smart enough to say this phone is better then that phone. While In reality they are being pushed to buy a product because society and marketing tell them too. That being said BlackBerry has completely exited the consumer market in North America so don't plan on seeing any marketing come from BlackBerry anytime soon. They are doing the right thing and picking the low bearing fruit, the enterprise market.

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    01-11-14 01:00 AM
  12. wincyUt's Avatar
    Numbers sells it's a simple as that as sad it is to say but 90 percent of the consumers don't know anything about technology. They hear 64 bit or 15 mega pixel and think there smart enough to say this phone is better then that phone. While In reality they are being pushed to buy a product because society and marketing tell them too. That being said BlackBerry has completely exited the consumer market in North America so don't plan on seeing any marketing come from BlackBerry anytime soon. They are doing the right thing and picking the low bearing fruit, the enterprise market.

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    Where did you get highlighted info from?
    01-11-14 08:47 AM
  13. jake simmons3's Avatar
    Well first off you can't even get a bb10 phone from a carrier or they don't carry them in Stock. They are not even pushing software updates. BlackBerry them self said they are focusing on enterprise. The only 2 planned devices planned for 2014 are a cheap low cost phone for emerging markets and a keyboard high cost device for enterprise and niche market. Still no marketing by BlackBerry to push bb10 because they know it won't do anything. I'm fine with them pulling pack from the consumer market in North America well mainly America. They are focusing on the consumer base just elsewhere. It's all about picking the low bearing fruit and that's what they are doing and im glad. Last management thought they could launch bb10 and it would take off but it didn't because they where trying to attack at mature market with a brand new OS.the next 6 month will tell the story

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    01-11-14 12:10 PM
  14. wincyUt's Avatar
    Well first off you can't even get a bb10 phone from a carrier or they don't carry them in Stock. They are not even pushing software updates. BlackBerry them self said they are focusing on enterprise. The only 2 planned devices planned for 2014 are a cheap low cost phone for emerging markets and a keyboard high cost device for enterprise and niche market. Still no marketing by BlackBerry to push bb10 because they know it won't do anything. I'm fine with them pulling pack from the consumer market in North America well mainly America. They are focusing on the consumer base just elsewhere. It's all about picking the low bearing fruit and that's what they are doing and im glad. Last management thought they could launch bb10 and it would take off but it didn't because they where trying to attack at mature market with a brand new OS.the next 6 month will tell the story

    Posted via CB10
    Agreed with most of your points but the road map for the devices is not officially out. I believe blackberry just appointed a new head for the devices. It would take the new guy time to settle in and then steer the ship.

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    01-11-14 12:44 PM
  15. jake simmons3's Avatar
    Like you said it takes time to steer the ship so we may see another high end full you h screen by Xmas season 2014 but who knows. I Would like them to bring bb10 to more platforms then just phones.

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    01-11-14 12:52 PM
  16. DiegoV_G's Avatar
    Of course the megapixels doesn't matter. Is the size of the sensor. The megapixels is just the size of the picture

    Posted via CB10 with my crazy beautiful Q10
    01-11-14 02:18 PM
  17. aniym's Avatar
    HTC has been arguing that MP count doesn't matter because they released the flagship HTC One with a 4MP "ultrapixel" camera and caught flack for it. They have an agenda, just like everybody else.
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    01-12-14 05:11 PM
  18. Tatwi's Avatar
    Read their reasons for using that 4mp sensor - it's pixels sensors are huge and thus absorb 13 times more light each than a standard 8mp sensor. Put to the test against my Z10, my wife's HTC One Mini soundly trounced the Z10 in both shutter speed and low light, indoor pictures. Her camera takes great pictures of the kids in motion while mine will blur them even in sunlight using burst mode. And that is why HTC made their choice, it best suits the average smart phone shutterbug.

    Also, their research showed that most of the time people only view and share their photos on their phones, so they tweaked their devices to display photos well. Seems to have worked out great on my wife's phone. Wish the Z10 had her camera tbh...

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    01-12-14 09:45 PM

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