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- Actually WP8 has a lot of the major apps and the OS is awesome. I bought a WP7 when it first came out and returned it for an Android after a week. It was definitely not ready back then. But when WP8 came out I tested a Lumia 920 at the local AT&T shop I jumped to it right away. WP8 is a huge improvement; hubs rock, live tiles rock, tons of apps, great OS,, great hardware and performance.
BBs problem isn't all about poor marketing, the main problem is it didn't really bring anything new to the table. Sad but true.
Sent from my LT30p using CB Forums mobile appgrover5 likes this.07-01-13 01:41 PMLike 1 - WP8 has predictive text also. You don't flick it, but it still provides predictive text. As for 8 apps simultaneously, I'm not certain what you mean? WP allows multiple apps to run also. Sorry if I burst your bubble man. Maybe BB can rebound, but overall, WP8 is going up in usage because people prefer it over other mobile phone OSs, not because MS has some awesome marketing strategy. In fact, MS is known for their pretty ****-poor marketing.
Posted via CB1007-01-13 01:45 PMLike 0 - For comparison...
IPhone sold 1.3 million phones in the first two quarters it was available
The first Android phone the G1 sold a million in about six months
The Windows Phone platform sold 3.3 million in the first two quarters of sales
BlackBerry has sold 2.7 million BlackBerry 10 phones in one quarter
I think it will take more time to see if BlackBerry 10 becomes popular and anyone expecting huge instant results from a completely new platform may be disappointed.
The good news is that they still have 3.1millionin the bank and are not in danger of going out of business any time soon!
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iPhone was totally different user experience from what we taught a smartphone was, and Android was just a cheap way to try to get that iPhone experience (if Apple had release a "value" iPhone back then we might not even be talking about Android today.) While the BB10 platform is new, it isn't revolutionary in any way. But the key is it doesn't enrich the users experience at all over existing devices - right now with it's feeble ecosystem it actual hinders a users experience. So even IF the price drops, even if they release a phone with "super" hardware, even IF the OS matures and they get the bugs worked out, and even if they add a few big named apps. At what point does BB10 become a mainstream platform - Windows still hasn't and they are a lot further along and have much more that 3 Billion to spend. Plus their platform includes Tablets, Computer and Smartphones.07-01-13 01:46 PMLike 0 -
Also to the average user, the multi-tasking on the BB10 devices isn't greatly superior to the multi-tasking available on the other platforms. Many people just don't do that many different things on their phones in the first place to rate multi-tasking high on their lists.thekonger likes this.07-01-13 01:47 PMLike 1 - I agree. When you buy a Z10/Q10 and go wow this is a great phone and then the world yawns and moves on, you have to ask yourself WTH is wrong with BlackBerry.
Consider that the general public knows NOTHING about T. Heins, or the dual CEO's or the delays or the fact that BB10 is not hitting the PlayBook, or that 10.1 still isn't out on Verizon. All the stuff that gets argued on CB is pretty much irrelevant when it comes to Joe Consumer buying or not buying a BlackBerry. People just simply don't care.07-01-13 01:48 PMLike 0 - Kevin oleary did an excellent summary on his show yesterday, CBC, about bb. Please
Take the time to listen to his thoughts of rim going forward, especially about
His Verizon store visit in Boston. He said the managers are saying the q10,
Not the z10 is selling very well. Might just need more time...07-01-13 01:55 PMLike 0 - For comparison (US only):
The iPhone launched with service only on one US carrier, and it was an unsubsidized device. Not everyone wanted to spend $500 on a phone, especially in the recession year of 2007.
The G1 launched on one carrier, which was the smallest national carrier in the US.
BlackBerry launched on three US carriers (including the two largest) with subsidized pricing.
That shipped figure of 2.7 million BB10 devices should have been possible in the US alone, as that would have represented less than 1% of all active devices in the US.
Posted via CB1007-01-13 01:55 PMLike 0 - I agree, Q10 is only to carry over legacy users, it won't woo any Android or iPS user which should be the #1 goal.
That being said Q10 is important because it can stabilize the otherwise dwindling revenue stream BB is enjoying from the sales of older devices and simplifies support.
I think the OP was referring to the rejection of BB10 as opposed to the rejection of larger screen sizes. The rejection of BB10, at least during its (critical) launch phase is indisputable given the pathetic shipment (not sales) figures for BB10 devices. One analyst estimated that of the 2.7 million BB10 devices shipped in the quarter, only about 2.3 million were sold. The reason why the analyst was forced to make an estimate is because BBRY refused to disclose the proportion of shipped devices that were actually sold. If true, 2.3 million devices sold has reduced the Z10 to a collector's item because despite all the carrier support and subsidies, it still can't attract consumer demand.07-01-13 01:58 PMLike 0 - To the average user, the keyboard on the Z10 is not that different from the SwiftKey keyboard. The difference here is that if you don't like the keyboard on the Z10, you are stuck with it, versus you have other choices on Android. I don't think that most non-CrackBerry visitors will consider this a huge advantage.
Also to the average user, the multi-tasking on the BB10 devices isn't greatly superior to the multi-tasking available on the other platforms. Many people just don't do that many different things on their phones in the first place to rate multi-tasking high on their lists.
Posted via CB1007-01-13 01:59 PMLike 0 -
- Kevin oleary did an excellent summary on his show yesterday, CBC, about bb. Please
Take the time to listen to his thoughts of rim going forward, especially about
His Verizon store visit in Boston. He said the managers are saying the q10,
Not the z10 is selling very well. Might just need more time...
If the Q10 market is, as has been widely acknowledged, almost exclusive to existing BB users who are being convinced to try it out and this was BEFORE the announcement of a new flagship BB7 device then that market has an absolute ceiling so expect those sales to dry up as contract renewals come to pass and people opt for the product they know (a new BB7 flagship device) vs the product they don't.07-01-13 02:03 PMLike 0 - I totally agree with this assessment. It has always been my suspicion.
Ever since Heins took over the helm, the talk of licensing or selling of the business was never too far away from him. I believe he was elected as a CEO to accomplish this task. Everything BBRY did to date has been tailored to condition the company for possible buyers. Clearing the remaining PB inventory is another example. Even the BB10 platform, while it is half-baked, certainly demonstrated it is for real, although none of major companies would be interested in licensing the BB10.
And don't forget, RIM did hire a couple of investment bankers early on when Heins took over in order to assess "all" possibilities. Any time a corporation brings in investment bankers, you know what's going on.
I may be reading too much into this, but the very low stock value, a large amount of cash etc. is making BBRY a near ideal take-over target. But I do not think that the company as a whole is attractive to anybody, except possibly some intellectual properties (patents etc).kevinnugent likes this.07-01-13 02:06 PMLike 1 -
Can you visit a dedicated screen next to your app grid to see and switch active apps? My understanding is that you hold the back button and then the active apps icons pop up so you can select the one you want. All you need to do on BlackBerry 10 is just swipe up and out of a app which puts you in the app grid where you can see active apps with the frames displaying information from the app (developer chooses what is displayed here)... my bubble is not busted...Posted via CB10
Pure data with no context will only lead you to a flawed argument.07-01-13 02:08 PMLike 5 - You're absolutely correct but the fact that the average consumer doesn't notice or care to notice means that BBRY can claim all the innovation and uniqueness it wants, it won't amount to many sales. I can't count the number of times I've heard BB fanboys say "oh, but can the iPhone do X?" In the end, Apple sold more iPhone 5's in one weekend that BBRY sold BB10 devices in 3 whole months. Proof that all the claims of superior x, y, z don't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to consumer sales. Does that mean the consumer is ignorant or, worse, stupid? No. It means that Apple (or Samsung) have been able to successfully market to consumers while BBRY has failed. BBRY tried hard to out-Apple Apple and out-Samsung Samsung -- in doing so, it failed to attract large numbers of iOS/Android users (contrary to the B.S. coming from Waterloo) while also failing to keep legacy BB users interested.thekonger likes this.07-01-13 02:10 PMLike 1
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[*]BE HONEST to your loyal customers! If you try and pull the wool over the eyes of BlackBerry customers, there may be no customers left.[*]Don't release a half-baked product - whether it's software, hardware or OS, DO NOT offer a product unless it's 100% ready.[*]Do some testing! - make sure each product is tested THOROUGHLY before you put it on sale - another bad launch and it's only downhill from there[/LIST]
.�Failing to deliver BlackBerry 10 last year is a MAJOR problem07-01-13 02:19 PMLike 0 - The point behind the comparison, and this should put it into context, is that the platforms mentioned were completely new just like the BlackBerry 10 platform. Sales were not stellar at first and it took time for the platforms to get traction...
Posted via CB1007-01-13 02:20 PMLike 0 - Blackberry aint going anywhere soon. And again the faith of the company lies in our handsBBVegasGirl80 likes this.07-01-13 02:22 PMLike 1
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Another thing that did not show up in the ER was the rate of device returns. Forum like this is naturally very skewed, but I sense that the return of BB10 devices by dissatisfied customers might be significantly larger than normal. So, the true sell-through figure might be much lower than the apparent sales numbers.
I suppose Heins already know this, which must have led to his warning that the next quarter would be poor as well. In other words, BBRY already acknowledged the irreversible "trend" from which they determined that they would not be able to recover.kevinnugent likes this.07-01-13 02:27 PMLike 1 - The issue for BBY is no longer how good or bad their latest devices are. It is that they have lost momentum. The market is not going to be defined by us BBY lovers; it is by the masses who value the richer iOS eco-system and lower cost Android devices (with a less rich eco-system than iOS but still richer than BBY). BB10 offers nothing compelling to the masses. The pluses we love and talk about here are not of much consequence to your average consumer. We can call them iSheep or whatever but that is not going to make the problem go away.
The management over hyped and under delivered. BB10 was a technical achievement but tech history is littered with 'better' technical products that lost because the momentum was not with them. Sorry, but the fat lady is on the stage warming up. It is mission impossible here. BBY has to face reality. It is not going to survive as a smart phone player against iOS and Android. The company has value but not as a going concern.
Breaks my heart. But it is what it is.Timothy Cox and Geeoff like this.07-01-13 02:29 PMLike 2 - End may be near for BlackBerry - Jul. 1, 2013
Now things have gotten real. BBRY is now a takeover target. So much for a fun ride.07-01-13 02:32 PMLike 0
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