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  1. im0712's Avatar
    ...we deserve and demand a counter point from BlackBerry Now!
    11-19-14 09:42 AM
  2. im0712's Avatar
    Sorry, that should read Today's and Support.
    11-19-14 09:43 AM
  3. BACK-2-BLACK's Avatar
    another buy opportunity for those considering purchasing shares...
    11-19-14 11:04 AM
  4. masterful's Avatar
    We will need to wait for December 19

    #BBFactCheck
    11-19-14 11:06 AM
  5. im0712's Avatar
    I don't think Chen will let it stand until December 19th.
    11-19-14 11:16 AM
  6. early2bed's Avatar
    Do you really think that institutional investors are going to pay much attention to a CEO who is overtly trying to increase share price? There simply is no upside to doing so. For one thing, the downgrades come from some of the largest investment banks with pretty solid analysts and a tremendous stake in their reputation. One might suspect that an analyst is biased but the CEO of a company surely is. Finally, anything that a CEO says that directly increases the stock price is ammo for shareholder lawsuits in the future. That's why they don't do it.
    11-19-14 11:52 AM
  7. theRock1975's Avatar
    Do you really think that institutional investors are going to pay much attention to a CEO who is overtly trying to increase share price? There simply is no upside to doing so. For one thing, the downgrades come from some of the largest investment banks with pretty solid analysts and a tremendous stake in their reputation. One might suspect that an analyst is biased but the CEO of a company surely is. Finally, anything that a CEO says that directly increases the stock price is ammo for shareholder lawsuits in the future. That's why they don't do it.
    Take a hike early2bed.

    "CEO who is overtly trying to increase share price"

    "Solid analysis"

    Faucette is clearly undermining Blackberry with nonsense. They are the market leader by a mile and he is talking about them trying to gain relevancy?? Talk about subliminal messaging!

    That's ridiculous!!

    Reread what Chris Umiastowki wrote. He provides a full detailed analysis and guess what, he doesn't have the Mobile Iron conflict of interest.

    Chen is a conservative man. He has a LOT of integrity. Are you betting that the EZ pass upgrades won't happen? Do you know how much effort is required to switch EMM, MDM for an entire fleet of smartphones? Companies have made a conscious choice to upgrade to BlackBerry and it's a huge undertaking. I would bet 90%+ will start paying rather than switch the fleet again to another provider.



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    11-19-14 12:53 PM
  8. crazigee's Avatar
    Take a hike early2bed.

    "CEO who is overtly trying to increase share price"

    "Solid analysis"

    Faucette is clearly undermining Blackberry with nonsense. They are the market leader by a mile and he is talking about them trying to gain relevancy?? Talk about subliminal messaging!

    That's ridiculous!!

    Reread what Chris Umiastowki wrote. He provides a full detailed analysis and guess what, he doesn't have the Mobile Iron conflict of interest.

    Chen is a conservative man. He has a LOT of integrity. Are you betting that the EZ pass upgrades won't happen? Do you know how much effort is required to switch EMM, MDM for an entire fleet of smartphones? Companies have made a conscious choice to upgrade to BlackBerry and it's a huge undertaking. I would bet 90%+ will start paying rather than switch the fleet again to another provider.



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    I don't think you know what subliminal messaging is.

    Let's be realistic. BlackBerry isn't a market leader. And nobody is making some conscious effort to undermine them. Enough with the conspiracy theories. People are entitled to say negative things about BlackBerry without being part of some conspiracy.

    Chen works for BlackBerry and as such is not impartial, whether he is a conservative CEO or not.

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    11-19-14 01:05 PM
  9. m1a1mg's Avatar
    Reread what Chris Umiastowki wrote. He provides a full detailed analysis and guess what, he doesn't have the Mobile Iron conflict of interest.
    I'd suggest you re-read Chris's excellent post. There are a lot of qualifiers in what he wrote.

    BBRY may be the leader in EMM, but right this minute, it's questionable how much they will make from it.
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    11-19-14 01:22 PM
  10. theRock1975's Avatar
    I don't think you know what subliminal messaging is.

    Let's be realistic. BlackBerry isn't a market leader. And nobody is making some conscious effort to undermine them. Enough with the conspiracy theories. People are entitled to say negative things about BlackBerry without being part of some conspiracy.

    Chen works for BlackBerry and as such is not impartial, whether he is a conservative CEO or not.

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    I am being realistic as well.

    Blackberry created EMM.
    Blackberry IS STILL the market leader by market share. There's no disputing this.

    Someone who questions their relevency is clearly missing some data. I'll bet that Chen has the proper numbers before making his optimistic statements.


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    11-19-14 02:01 PM
  11. notafanofyou's Avatar
    I am being realistic as well.

    Blackberry created EMM.
    Blackberry IS STILL the market leader by market share. There's no disputing this.

    Someone who questions their relevency is clearly missing some data. I'll bet that Chen has the proper numbers before making his optimistic statements.


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    I don't expect a reasonable response from the BlackBerry "can't do anything right " crowd who spend an inordinate about of time here when clearly they are not fans. Therock your points are bang on

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    11-19-14 02:20 PM
  12. playpen007's Avatar
    MS is nothing but a manipulator. Buying opportunity...
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    11-19-14 02:21 PM
  13. Bla1ze's Avatar
    MS is nothing but a manipulator. Buying opportunity...

    When the lead underwriters of Mobile Iron are MS, yeahhh lol.
    11-19-14 03:04 PM
  14. newcollector's Avatar
    Do you really think that institutional investors are going to pay much attention to a CEO who is overtly trying to increase share price? There simply is no upside to doing so. For one thing, the downgrades come from some of the largest investment banks with pretty solid analysts and a tremendous stake in their reputation. One might suspect that an analyst is biased but the CEO of a company surely is. Finally, anything that a CEO says that directly increases the stock price is ammo for shareholder lawsuits in the future. That's why they don't do it.
    Morgan Stanley, oh yeah, they are the company that would never mislead people about investing or give misleading research...
    In 2003, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $125 million in order to settle its portion of a $1.4 billion settlement brought by Eliot Spitzer, the Attorney General of New York, the National Association of Securities Dealers (now the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA)), the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, (SEC) and a number of state securities regulators, relating to intentionally misleading research motivated by a desire to win investment banking business with the companies covered.[44]

    2004
    In June 2004, the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) imposed a penalty of a censure and $140,000 fine for incorrectly using customers margined securities as collateral for cash management loans.[45]

    Morgan Stanley settled a sex discrimination suit brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for $54*million on July 12, 2004.[46] In 2007, the firm agreed to pay $46 million to settle a class action lawsuit brought by eight female brokers.[47]

    In July 2004, the firm paid NASD a $2.2 million fine for more than 1,800 late disclosures of reportable information about its brokers.[48]

    In September 2004, the firm paid a $19 million fine imposed by NYSE for failure to deliver prospectuses to customers in registered offerings, inaccurate reporting of certain program trading information, short sale violations, failures to fingerprint new employees and failure to timely file exchange forms.[49]

    In December 2004, the firm paid a $100,000 to NASD and paid $211,510 in restitution to customers for failure to make proper disclosures to municipal bond investors. In the course of NASD's investigation, Morgan Stanley' failure make a timely response to requests for information resulted in censure and an additional $25,000 fine.[50]

    2005
    The New York Stock Exchange imposed a $19*million fine on January 12, 2005 for alleged regulatory and supervisory lapses. At the time, it was the largest fine ever imposed by the New York Stock Exchange[51]

    On May 16, 2005, a Florida jury found that Morgan Stanley failed to give adequate information to Ronald Perelman about Sunbeam thereby defrauding him and causing damages to him of $604*million. In addition, punitive damages were added for total damages of $1.450*billion. This verdict was directed by the judge as a sanction against Morgan Stanley after the firm's attorneys infuriated the court by failing and refusing to produce documents, and falsely telling the court that certain documents did not exist.[citation needed] The ruling was overturned on March 21, 2007 and Morgan Stanley was no longer required to pay the $1.57*billion verdict.[52]

    2006
    Morgan Stanley settled a class action lawsuit on March 2, 2006. It had been filed in California by both current and former Morgan Stanley employees for unfair labor practices instituted to those in the financial advisor training program. Employees of the program had claimed the firm expected trainees to clock overtime hours without additional pay and handle various administrative expenses as a result of their expected duties. A $42.5*million settlement was reached and Morgan Stanley admitted no fault.[53]

    In May the firm agreed to pay a $15 million fine. The Securities and Exchange Commission accused the firm of deleting emails and failing to cooperate with SEC investigators.[54]

    On September 25, 2009, Citigroup Inc. filed a federal lawsuit against Morgan Stanley, claiming its rival failed to pay $245*million due under a credit default swap agreement. The breach-of-contract lawsuit was filed in Manhattan federal court and seeks unspecified damages.[55]

    2007
    The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) announced a $12.5*million settlement with Morgan Stanley on September 27, 2007. This resolved charges that the firm's former affiliate, Morgan Stanley DW, Inc. (MSDW), failed on numerous occasions to provide emails to claimants in arbitration proceedings as well as to regulators. The company had claimed that the destruction of the firm's email servers in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York's World Trade Center resulted in the loss of all email before that date. In fact, the firm had millions of earlier emails that had been retrieved from backup copies stored in another location that was not destroyed in the attacks.[56] Customers who had lost their arbitration cases against Morgan Stanley DW Inc. because of their inability to obtain these emails to demonstrate Morgan Stanley's misconduct received a token amount of money as a result of the settlement.

    In July 2007, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $4.4 million to settle a class-action lawsuit. The firm was accused of incorrectly charging clients for storage of precious metals. [57]

    In August 2007, Morgan Stanley was fined $1.5 million and paid $4.6 million in restitution to customers related to excessive mark-ups in 2,800 transactions. An employee was charged $40,000 and suspended for 15 days.[58]

    2008
    Under a settlement with New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, the firm agreed to repurchase approximately $4.5 billion worth of auction rate securities. The firm was accused of misrepresenting auction rate securities in their sales and marketing.[59]

    2009
    In March 2009, FINRA announced Morgan Stanley was to pay more than $7 million for misconduct in the handling the accounts of 90 Rochester, NY-area retirees. [60]

    In May 2009, a trader at the firm was suspended by the FSA for a series of unauthorized commodities trades entered after becoming intoxicated during a three and half hour lunch.[61] A week later another trader at the firm was banned for deliberately disadvantaging clients by 'pre-hedging' trades without their consent.[62]

    The Financial Services Authority fined the firm 1.4m for failing to use controls properly relating to the actions of a rogue trader on one of its trading desks. Morgan Stanley admitted on June 18, 2008 this resulted in a $120m loss for the firm.[63]

    Morgan Stanley managing director Du Jun was convicted of insider trading after a criminal trial in Hong Kong. Mr. Du was accused of buying 26.7 million shares of Citic Resource Holdings while in possession of confidential information about the company. He gained this information as part of a Morgan Stanley team working with the company on a bond issuance and the purchase of an oil field in Kazakhstan. Morgan Stanley's compliance department was criticized for failing to detect Mr. Du's illegal trades.[64]

    2010
    In April, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission announced the firm agreed to pay $14 million related to an attempt to hide prohibited trading activity in oil futures.[65]

    2011
    A Morgan Stanley trader was barred from the brokerage industry and fined for entering fake trades to fool firm risk management systems causing millions in losses.[66]

    The Department of Justice sought a $4.8 million fine from Morgan Stanley for its part in an electricity price-fixing scandal. Con Edison estimated that the crime cost New York state consumers about $300 million. Morgan Stanley earned revenues of $21.6 million from the fraud.[67]

    2012
    On April 3, the Federal Reserve announced Consent Order against the firm "a pattern of misconduct and negligence in residential mortgage loan servicing and foreclosure processing." The consent order requires the firm to review foreclosure proceedings conducted by the firm. The firm will also be responsible for monetary sanctions. [68]

    Garth R. Peterson, one of Morgan Stanleys highest-ranking real estate executives in China pleaded guilty on April 25 to violating U.S. federal anticorruption laws. He was charged with secretly acquiring millions of dollars worth of property investments for himself and a Chinese government official. The official steered business to Morgan Stanley.[69]

    Morgan Stanley was fined $55,000 by Nasdaq OMX for three separate violations of exchange rules. A Morgan Stanley client algorithm started buying and selling enormous volumes by mistake. Furthermore, after the exchange detected the error, they were unable to contact the employee responsible.[70] Morgan Stanley settled a claim from FINRA and paid restitution together totaling almost $2.4 million. Morgan Stanley was accused of improperly supervising and training financial advisors in the use of non-traditional ETF products. This resulted in inappropriate recommendations to several of its retail brokerage customers.[71]

    Morgan Stanley is facing lawsuits and government investigation surrounding the Facebook IPO. It is claimed that Morgan Stanley downgraded their earnings forecasts for the company while conducting the IPO roadshow. Allegedly, they passed this information to only a handful of institutional investors. "The allegations, if true, are a matter of regulatory concern" to FINRA and SEC according to FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum.[72]

    Morgan Stanley agreed to pay a $5 million fine to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and an addition $1.75 million to CME and the Chicago Board of Trade. Morgan Stanley employees improperly executed fictitious sales in Eurodollar and Treasury Note futures contracts.[73]

    On the 7th of August 2012, it was announced that Morgan Stanley would have to pay $4.8 million in fines in order to settle a price fixing scandal, which has been estimated to have cost New Yorkers $300 million to date. Morgan Stanley has currently made no admission of any wrongdoing; however, the Justice department commented that they hoped this would "send a message to the banking industry".[74]

    2014
    In September 2014, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $95 million to resolve a lawsuit pursued by the Public Employees' Retirement System of Mississippi (MissPERS) and the West Virginia Investment Management Board. Morgan Stanley was accused of misleading investors in mortgage-backed securities.[75]

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    11-19-14 03:27 PM
  15. sati01's Avatar
    I am being realistic as well.

    Blackberry created EMM.
    Blackberry IS STILL the market leader by market share. There's no disputing this.

    Someone who questions their relevency is clearly missing some data. I'll bet that Chen has the proper numbers before making his optimistic statements.


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    BlackBerry is market leader in managing BB7 devices, but It's is a newcomer in managing iOS and Android devices.

    BlackBerry had to give the product for free with the EZ PASS promotion to attract some iOS and Android users and give the sales team something to show.

    Although, I'm no sure if all of the EZ PASS converts are really using the software. Maybe many companies got the licenses but never implemented the software in a production environment. To get the free perpetual Silver license customers aren't required to end their current MDM contracts.
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    11-19-14 03:32 PM
  16. insandouts's Avatar
    When the lead underwriters of Mobile Iron are MS, yeahhh lol.
    Deutsche bank said almost the same thing
    Deutsche Bank Unconvinced Following BlackBerry Ltd Analyst Day | Benzinga
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    11-19-14 03:57 PM
  17. notafanofyou's Avatar
    Morgan Stanley, oh yeah, they are the company that would never mislead people about investing or give misleading research...
    In 2003, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $125 million in order to settle its portion of a $1.4 billion settlement brought by Eliot Spitzer, the Attorney General of New York, the National Association of Securities Dealers (now the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA)), the United States Securities and Exchange Commission, (SEC) and a number of state securities regulators, relating to intentionally misleading research motivated by a desire to win investment banking business with the companies covered.[44]

    2004
    In June 2004, the New York Stock Exchange (NYSE) imposed a penalty of a censure and $140,000 fine for incorrectly using customers margined securities as collateral for cash management loans.[45]

    Morgan Stanley settled a sex discrimination suit brought by the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission for $54*million on July 12, 2004.[46] In 2007, the firm agreed to pay $46 million to settle a class action lawsuit brought by eight female brokers.[47]

    In July 2004, the firm paid NASD a $2.2 million fine for more than 1,800 late disclosures of reportable information about its brokers.[48]

    In September 2004, the firm paid a $19 million fine imposed by NYSE for failure to deliver prospectuses to customers in registered offerings, inaccurate reporting of certain program trading information, short sale violations, failures to fingerprint new employees and failure to timely file exchange forms.[49]

    In December 2004, the firm paid a $100,000 to NASD and paid $211,510 in restitution to customers for failure to make proper disclosures to municipal bond investors. In the course of NASD's investigation, Morgan Stanley' failure make a timely response to requests for information resulted in censure and an additional $25,000 fine.[50]

    2005
    The New York Stock Exchange imposed a $19*million fine on January 12, 2005 for alleged regulatory and supervisory lapses. At the time, it was the largest fine ever imposed by the New York Stock Exchange[51]

    On May 16, 2005, a Florida jury found that Morgan Stanley failed to give adequate information to Ronald Perelman about Sunbeam thereby defrauding him and causing damages to him of $604*million. In addition, punitive damages were added for total damages of $1.450*billion. This verdict was directed by the judge as a sanction against Morgan Stanley after the firm's attorneys infuriated the court by failing and refusing to produce documents, and falsely telling the court that certain documents did not exist.[citation needed] The ruling was overturned on March 21, 2007 and Morgan Stanley was no longer required to pay the $1.57*billion verdict.[52]

    2006
    Morgan Stanley settled a class action lawsuit on March 2, 2006. It had been filed in California by both current and former Morgan Stanley employees for unfair labor practices instituted to those in the financial advisor training program. Employees of the program had claimed the firm expected trainees to clock overtime hours without additional pay and handle various administrative expenses as a result of their expected duties. A $42.5*million settlement was reached and Morgan Stanley admitted no fault.[53]

    In May the firm agreed to pay a $15 million fine. The Securities and Exchange Commission accused the firm of deleting emails and failing to cooperate with SEC investigators.[54]

    On September 25, 2009, Citigroup Inc. filed a federal lawsuit against Morgan Stanley, claiming its rival failed to pay $245*million due under a credit default swap agreement. The breach-of-contract lawsuit was filed in Manhattan federal court and seeks unspecified damages.[55]

    2007
    The Financial Industry Regulatory Authority (FINRA) announced a $12.5*million settlement with Morgan Stanley on September 27, 2007. This resolved charges that the firm's former affiliate, Morgan Stanley DW, Inc. (MSDW), failed on numerous occasions to provide emails to claimants in arbitration proceedings as well as to regulators. The company had claimed that the destruction of the firm's email servers in the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on New York's World Trade Center resulted in the loss of all email before that date. In fact, the firm had millions of earlier emails that had been retrieved from backup copies stored in another location that was not destroyed in the attacks.[56] Customers who had lost their arbitration cases against Morgan Stanley DW Inc. because of their inability to obtain these emails to demonstrate Morgan Stanley's misconduct received a token amount of money as a result of the settlement.

    In July 2007, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $4.4 million to settle a class-action lawsuit. The firm was accused of incorrectly charging clients for storage of precious metals. [57]

    In August 2007, Morgan Stanley was fined $1.5 million and paid $4.6 million in restitution to customers related to excessive mark-ups in 2,800 transactions. An employee was charged $40,000 and suspended for 15 days.[58]

    2008
    Under a settlement with New York Attorney General Andrew M. Cuomo, the firm agreed to repurchase approximately $4.5 billion worth of auction rate securities. The firm was accused of misrepresenting auction rate securities in their sales and marketing.[59]

    2009
    In March 2009, FINRA announced Morgan Stanley was to pay more than $7 million for misconduct in the handling the accounts of 90 Rochester, NY-area retirees. [60]

    In May 2009, a trader at the firm was suspended by the FSA for a series of unauthorized commodities trades entered after becoming intoxicated during a three and half hour lunch.[61] A week later another trader at the firm was banned for deliberately disadvantaging clients by 'pre-hedging' trades without their consent.[62]

    The Financial Services Authority fined the firm 1.4m for failing to use controls properly relating to the actions of a rogue trader on one of its trading desks. Morgan Stanley admitted on June 18, 2008 this resulted in a $120m loss for the firm.[63]

    Morgan Stanley managing director Du Jun was convicted of insider trading after a criminal trial in Hong Kong. Mr. Du was accused of buying 26.7 million shares of Citic Resource Holdings while in possession of confidential information about the company. He gained this information as part of a Morgan Stanley team working with the company on a bond issuance and the purchase of an oil field in Kazakhstan. Morgan Stanley's compliance department was criticized for failing to detect Mr. Du's illegal trades.[64]

    2010
    In April, the Commodity Futures Trading Commission announced the firm agreed to pay $14 million related to an attempt to hide prohibited trading activity in oil futures.[65]

    2011
    A Morgan Stanley trader was barred from the brokerage industry and fined for entering fake trades to fool firm risk management systems causing millions in losses.[66]

    The Department of Justice sought a $4.8 million fine from Morgan Stanley for its part in an electricity price-fixing scandal. Con Edison estimated that the crime cost New York state consumers about $300 million. Morgan Stanley earned revenues of $21.6 million from the fraud.[67]

    2012
    On April 3, the Federal Reserve announced Consent Order against the firm "a pattern of misconduct and negligence in residential mortgage loan servicing and foreclosure processing." The consent order requires the firm to review foreclosure proceedings conducted by the firm. The firm will also be responsible for monetary sanctions. [68]

    Garth R. Peterson, one of Morgan Stanleys highest-ranking real estate executives in China pleaded guilty on April 25 to violating U.S. federal anticorruption laws. He was charged with secretly acquiring millions of dollars worth of property investments for himself and a Chinese government official. The official steered business to Morgan Stanley.[69]

    Morgan Stanley was fined $55,000 by Nasdaq OMX for three separate violations of exchange rules. A Morgan Stanley client algorithm started buying and selling enormous volumes by mistake. Furthermore, after the exchange detected the error, they were unable to contact the employee responsible.[70] Morgan Stanley settled a claim from FINRA and paid restitution together totaling almost $2.4 million. Morgan Stanley was accused of improperly supervising and training financial advisors in the use of non-traditional ETF products. This resulted in inappropriate recommendations to several of its retail brokerage customers.[71]

    Morgan Stanley is facing lawsuits and government investigation surrounding the Facebook IPO. It is claimed that Morgan Stanley downgraded their earnings forecasts for the company while conducting the IPO roadshow. Allegedly, they passed this information to only a handful of institutional investors. "The allegations, if true, are a matter of regulatory concern" to FINRA and SEC according to FINRA Chairman Richard Ketchum.[72]

    Morgan Stanley agreed to pay a $5 million fine to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and an addition $1.75 million to CME and the Chicago Board of Trade. Morgan Stanley employees improperly executed fictitious sales in Eurodollar and Treasury Note futures contracts.[73]

    On the 7th of August 2012, it was announced that Morgan Stanley would have to pay $4.8 million in fines in order to settle a price fixing scandal, which has been estimated to have cost New Yorkers $300 million to date. Morgan Stanley has currently made no admission of any wrongdoing; however, the Justice department commented that they hoped this would "send a message to the banking industry".[74]

    2014
    In September 2014, Morgan Stanley agreed to pay $95 million to resolve a lawsuit pursued by the Public Employees' Retirement System of Mississippi (MissPERS) and the West Virginia Investment Management Board. Morgan Stanley was accused of misleading investors in mortgage-backed securities.[75]

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  18. Thunderbuck's Avatar
    This can't go to Fact Check, because it's all based on interpretations. Anything Chen has to say is going to sound self-serving.

    There may be some other way to discredit Fawcette's note but Fact Check isn't the way to do it. CEOs arguing with analysts never ends well (see my sig).
    11-19-14 04:09 PM
  19. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    When the lead underwriters of Mobile Iron are MS, yeahhh lol.
    There are so many hidden agendas with these "analysts".. seriously manipulating things to suit THEIR own investment strategies.. don't trust or believe... market manipulators....

    White collar crime disguised as "reporting and critical analysis"

    How about disclosing all the trading before and after MS? And other vested interests??



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    11-19-14 04:29 PM
  20. dbmalloy's Avatar
    It is called look at the source.... Faccette has had it in for BB the last number of years dating back to his Pacific Crest days.... just look at the doozies that came out of there.... In the end non of this matters in the long run.. sure it affects the stock... but if you believe in BB it can be an opportunity... in the end all that matters are the quarterly reports... only thing in the long run that matters.....
    11-19-14 04:42 PM
  21. early2bed's Avatar
    Well, now that we have established that the Crackberry forums are a more reputable and reliable source of BBRY stock ratings than Morgan Stanley I guess all we have to do is wait for tomorrow's share price bump.
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    11-19-14 06:28 PM
  22. Prem WatsApp's Avatar
    There are so many hidden agendas with these "analysts".. seriously manipulating things to suit THEIR own investment strategies.. don't trust or believe... market manipulators....

    White collar crime disguised as "reporting and critical analysis"

    How about disclosing all the trading before and after MS? And other vested interests??



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    Sure there are a few strategies, if you're in a position like that.

    Trash-talk a stock to get in cheap....

    That way you can profit long and sell shorts to the poor shorties...

    :-)

    Zzzzwiped from a Zedevice....
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    11-19-14 06:39 PM
  23. insandouts's Avatar
    There are so many hidden agendas with these "analysts".. seriously manipulating things to suit THEIR own investment strategies.. don't trust or believe... market manipulators....

    White collar crime disguised as "reporting and critical analysis"

    How about disclosing all the trading before and after MS? And other vested interests??



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    and then it can be said even on Upgrades but I guess this forum never question those..
    11-19-14 08:18 PM
  24. dusdal's Avatar
    This can't go to Fact Check, because it's all based on interpretations. Anything Chen has to say is going to sound self-serving.

    There may be some other way to discredit Fawcette's note but Fact Check isn't the way to do it. CEOs arguing with analysts never ends well (see my sig).
    Could discredit it by picking out the part where he says bbm meetings is pretty much just facetime.

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    11-19-14 08:40 PM
  25. theRock1975's Avatar
    Could discredit it by picking out the part where he says bbm meetings is pretty much just facetime.

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    "Solid Analysis"

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    11-19-14 09:05 PM
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