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  1. MarsupilamiX's Avatar
    Lol...always a 50/50 of nailing it. I thought today was great...bear raid failed, BBM will take over the IM market, Channels (although a long shot) is great for so many company's to use...not just the obvious like Escorts lol. Mid level device is a step to help with market share.

    Great day.

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    Yes, today was great

    Well, let's just say, that the odds of making the 1st point of my thread happen, were greater than 50%, but I get the joke

    It is just that I think that what I presented as Service Revenue Solutions, apart from the BBM, just became a lot more probable.

    There was a reason why I placed BBM as the first option. Because it is the easiest one to open up and implement.
    It is not a big move in and by itself, but sets a precedent, that BBRY is willing to open up their infrastructure.

    In reality, this is a reason to have more trust in the future of the company, because it shows that they are not stuck anymore in their old paradigm of stubbornness.


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    05-14-13 04:55 PM
  2. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    Agree...all the "Left" brain analyst types are saying they gave away a hook to force people to buy BB...what they are missing is the huge upside when they do monetise some aspects within it...all starts with market share.

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    05-14-13 05:09 PM
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    Agree...all the "Left" brain analyst types are saying they gave away a hook to force people to buy BB...what they are missing is the huge upside when they do monetise some aspects within it...all starts with market share.

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    A lot of people seem to be confused by the move.
    For me it is pretty clear though.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_(application)
    "Market share As of November, 2012, Line claimed more than 74 million users worldwide.[10] As of January 18, 2013, Line had reached 100 million users worldwide and reportedly was gaining about 400,000 users daily.[11] As of 2 May 2013, Line had reached 150 million users worldwide.[12] [13]"

    http://www.techinasia.com/blackberry...going-to-lose/
    "According to a report from Arbitron Mobile, Line is currently the number one messaging app in Indonesia. While WeChat is gaining around 90,000 new users by the day in the country thanks to its new national TV ads. KakaoTalk, meanwhile, recently reported that it had increased its user numbers by 288 percent from January to February. Most of my friends, who are mostly in the middle-income bracket, don't really care about the new Blackberry 10 handset. They prefer other platforms like Android and iOS. The middle class segment of society represents quite a lot of people who have considerable buying power.

    ?)The allure of Android
    So what will happen?
    The new Blackberry Z10 in Indonesia is battling against the Samsung Galaxy S3 (soon to be the S4, which will be launched later this month) and iPhone 5 for the country's wealthier users. But they're the minority of the populace here anyway. The majority of the population, who are in the lower-income demographic,would opt to purchase more affordable Android devices because they see that the OS, together with its apps' ecosystem and games, outperforms Blackberry handsets in the same price range. Or perhaps they'll buy older Blackberry models since there's nothing for BB10 available at the usual cheap prices of below $200. These people, targeted by national TV ads by Line and WeChat, will start to use those apps and find them more fun (so long as they switch to using those apps on Android or iPhone) than BBM."

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/03/11/indonesia-tv-ads/
    "Indonesia is becoming one of the most important battlegrounds for players like WeChat and Line?and TV ads are a surprising but effective part of their artillery. Though the country currently has one of the lowest Internet penetration rates in Southeast Asia, a large and youthful population (27% of its 242.3 million people is 14 or younger), and rapid mobile Internet usage growthmeans there is plenty of potential there for tech companies"

    http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/news-rel...192939591.html
    ^ Some numbers for line use.

    Meant to illustrate that a long term user base erosion is already in place in these emerging countries.

    Used to show that BlackBerry would have lost more customers anyway, if they did not innovate.
    With Line and the other chat apps out there it was only a question of when BBM will become irrelevant in these countries as well. At least they have a fighting chance now.

    I may also add, that what we see now in emerging countries, with BlackBerry becoming more irrelevant, is something we already saw happening in "the first world". The scenario is pretty much the same. And the only thing that will give BlackBerry the possibility to not face irrelevancy in these countries as well, will be a combination of an OS that people don't hate and a good ecosystem.

    That is BB10. This OS is the only thing that can attract long term sales. Not BBM. What also has to be said, is that BlackBerry apparently doesn't even try, to compete with 100$ Android devices on their new QNX Hardware.

    Why BlackBerry had to do something:

    BIS would have be gone anyway, as we know it. The trend for BlackBerry to become less and less important was set 3-5 years ago. There was no reason to think, that emerging markets would have been able to save BlackBerry, through BIS revenue.

    In sociology, we have something that is called imitation. And the emerging markets mimics the "first world" considering smartphones. They lag behind because of the financial limitations, but how they consume smartphones, is more or less like we do it.

    There was not one single reason, that one should have thought, that service revenue will not decline significantly from BIS, even though BlackBerry would not have introduced BIS-less QNX and would not have introduced cross - plattform BBM. What some users see as a serious threat right now, was a problem since the beginning. Namely: consumers walking away from BBRY, even though there is BIS and even though there exists BBM.

    There was no way, like in, completely impossible, as in, it will never happen, that BBRY would have been able to hold, (and that point now tends to - infinity) or gain subscribers in the long run, through the old strategy. In one single year, with the immense YoY growth that the other messenger apps have, BBM would have become irrelevant. 1 single year. And that was/is the situation that BBRY tries to circumvent.

    They try to be innovative as much as they can right now. BBM is part of that. And BlackBerryOS 10 as well. BlackBerry would have had no fighting chance at all, with a locked down BBM in emerging markets, because the prices for plans and phones, are on a race to the bottom.

    I see no really big negative points. The only thing, that would have been a real disaster, is to not have done anything. History repeats itself for BlackBerry in emerging markets. They tried to get out of that vicious circle of fate with QNX, now an open BBM as well, and soon their own social network. People can think about that, what ever they want. But it is a reality that for BlackBerry, the biggest risk was not to change.

    Some people illustrated the factor of imitation, when buying economical goods pretty well.

    As a general rule, one could say that people always try to buy, what the economical class above them buys, but since they lack economical ressources, it will not have the same quality most of the times. (A quadcore Android phone for 200$ from a chinese knock off manufacturer comes to mind.)

    A simple exemple would be TVs, especially flat screens. In the middle of the last decade, we saw that more and more people bought big flat screens. The effect of imitation played a big role, because wealthy people, the aspiring class so to speak, bought them. To be like the rich, you need a flatscreen TV. Thus a new status symbol was created.

    Another prominent exemple would be the fridge/dish washer/laundry machine. At a certain point though, when these goods become a commodity, you need a new status symbol.

    Also, licensing QNX is something that gained some probability:
    http://247wallst.com/2013/05/15/sams...ndroid-market/
    "The data comes from the latest research by Strategy Analytics and reflects profits generated in the first quarter of 2013. Of profit totaling $5.3 billion, Samsung takes an estimated $5.1 billion, with LG Electronics capturing about $100 million and the rest divided among all other Android phone makers.

    Not only does Samsung beat every other smartphone maker in taking profit from Android, Strategy Analytics? executive director notes an even more glaring note:

    We believe Samsung generates more revenue and profit from the Android platform than Google does. Samsung has strong market power and it may use this position to influence the future direction of the Android ecosystem."

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    05-16-13 09:28 PM
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    Well said...and you did it all on your Z10 I see

    I signed up for the Beta program for BBM Channels...completed their first survey today. It asks for your thoughts and wants and what direction you would like to them take as well as features you'd like to see...I encourage you to sign up and try Channels...and please give your feedback...they need to hear from us. Cheers.

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    Well said...and you did it all on your Z10 I see

    I signed up for the Beta program for BBM Channels...completed their first survey today. It asks for your thoughts and wants and what direction you would like to them take as well as features you'd like to see...I encourage you to sign up and try Channels...and please give your feedback...they need to hear from us. Cheers.

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    To be fair it is a compilation out of some of my replies in the respectif threads, but they were all done and written on the Z10.
    So I guess it counts

    I am not sure, if I am up to the task of a serious Beta Tester. I saw it on a friend's phone, and I think it's not bad, but I am not a big social media fan, and I doubt BlackBerry can change that for me.

    But Channels is a pretty good idea.

    Apart from that, I would love to see some of my ideas adapted, through the momentum of a multi-platform BBM/Channels.
    With an existing user base, something like BBM Storage (cloud storage) or BB(M) Mail (Email), becomes far easier to market to the consumers.
    I just hope that the execution is as flawless as it can be.

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    Wow, I just saw the first commercial ever, to focus on privacy, from MS.

    I am mind blown.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=bt51MWll1oY

    I see a real market for privacy now.

    If MS with 90% desktop market share, makes it a focus for an ad campaign, it means that they feel the need to do it. I may not know why exactly they felt this way, but there is potential here.

    There are some ideas in the thread, concerning privacy and how to monetize it.
    I think I need to go to the next shareholders meeting

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    http://crackberry.com/model-s-blackberry

    I find it really funny, that I used a Tesla Model S in this thread to ask how BlackBerry wants to counter that, and 2 weeks after that, they actually release an app for the car.

    Somebody from BlackBerry is reading this thread

    Any ideas for other service revenue solutions dear BBRY stock holders?

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    05-23-13 05:24 AM
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    With the recent events that revealed PRISM, I am now convinced that there actually would be a market for a lot of the things I proposed.

    BlackBerry has the NOC and right now this incredibly useful cloud infrastructure is wasted on BB10 and could as well be used to empower devices from other manufacturers.

    The upcoming quarterly report will be very interesting, but I still see a lack of vision for a "software as a service" model.

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    With the recent events that revealed PRISM, I am now convinced that there actually would be a market for a lot of the things I proposed.

    BlackBerry has the NOC and right now this incredibly useful cloud infrastructure is wasted on BB10 and could as well be used to empower devices from other manufacturers.

    The upcoming quarterly report will be very interesting, but I still see a lack of vision for a "software as a service" model.

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    I agree however I'm starting to think they have a plan "outside" of conventional services for SaaS...time will tell.

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    http://www.arstechnica.com/tech-poli...hatroom-admin/

    Another reason why a Canadian based company may actually be a better choice for private/secure communications.

    The more I read reports like that, the more I see a business model for BlackBerry.

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    http://crackberry.com/blackberry-pre...ement-solution

    And apparently BlackBerry agrees with me.
    At first they announce X-platform BBM, now they do this.

    Very interesting development, to see BlackBerry finally embracing the cloud.
    Apparently I wasn't that wrong with my suggestions.


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