[Jaybles]

She's a great artist. And yeah been around for ages. I remember her coming out just as I was leaving school. Not my usual cup of tea musically but I like quite a few of her songs and she has a fantastic voice.

She's also married with kids to swizz beatz. A very good producer.

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[kill_9]

She is huge within the late teen, young adult demographic. I've been getting her music since her first record hit big.
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Okay. But that demographic does not explain your interest in her music. < ducks behind a dragon-proof asbestos shield >

[qbnkelt]

Okay. But that demographic does not explain your interest in her music. < ducks behind a dragon-proof asbestos shield >

I'm a 19 year old half Hispanic street urchin.....

Pppppffffffttttttttt............


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[pantlesspenguin]

Hey at least she didn't ignore you and let you burn to death.

This made me cackle like crazy at my desk. I got a few strange looks.

[MarsupilamiX]

http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?p=8351319

I guess we can include that one here.
No idea about feasibility at all. But in a certain way, definitely interesting.

Only usable service, would be in emergency states, as of now...

I must really edit my thread sometimes soon...

[MarsupilamiX]

BIS can be considered not secure, as can personal BBM, these are both absolutely true. BBM is scrambled for lack of a better term. BES *IS* secure. BBM on BES *CAN* be secured and encrypted. Unfortunately, this limits BBM conversation to just those within your organization, that have this shared encryption key. These are the things that BlackBerry sells as security, not the personal side. Keep in mind that when RIM started selling, they went after government and corporate users, the ones that needed Email on the go. They stumbled by accident into the consumer market, and until the Z10 launched, still had ZERO idea how to deal with consumers.

You brought up several good points in that thread, and cross platform BBM has been discussed for some time. I would be very surprised if we did not see this as part of the enterprise BB10 offering for iOS and Android. The Secure Work Space is a sandbox for corporate use that has been secured as much as possible by RIM/BB. Admins can push applications into this secure space, and it would be an excellent move to push BBM into this space. This would allow enterprise users to talk between devices, share files, etc, seamlessly on BB10 or iOS or Android.

In terms of BIS and service revenue, and everything belfastdispatcher was discussing, he is very secure in his views. There IS a subset of BlackBerry users that want BIS back, and it would make sense to offer this to them. Let them have the compression, the email, etc that they wanted. Charge them for it. There WILL be a performance hit in browsing, etc though, and that was part of the reason that BIS is gone. But if users want to go into this openly, let them carrier bill a BIS connection. Charge them each an extra $3 or $5 a month, and give them access to this. There would obviously have to be numbers done on profitability, but I would think $3-$5 would cover it.

On to secure Email with web front end or Email client. While I like this in concept, RIM/BB doesnt have the resources to do this. Perhaps using a Google corporate account and branding it as @blackberry.com would work, but there would have to be some way to make money on this. Each user could purchase a token to use for secure Email (think Smart Card for SMIME or even PGP if you wanted to go with that), to be used to digitally sign and encrypt emails to other @blackberry.com users. This would be excellent, but hard to monetize I would think.

I think this is enough to get started here, since most of it was discussed in the other thread.

From: http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=795254

Patience is a virtue, and I got something for it. Thanks a lot to Sith Apprentice!!!
Anybody still doubting that BIS is not remotely as secure as some people think?

Now I really have a reason to edit the thread.
Should be done until tomorrow, with a summary of every "Service Revenue Solution" presented in this thread.

[EnBerry]

Well... BIS gives you an SSL tunnel to the service provider BIS infrastructure. Then, if provider gives you email service as part of BBRY plan you have that email, within provider network (no Brin is going over that email in search of ads placement, and nobody else too). Then, if your email recipient uses same service - it's delivered over SSL tunnel again. Can't see breach here...

Obviously, if you use public email service - "all in" is your name then

[EnBerry]

and as far as scrambled messaging service - i'll take it anytime vs. regular open air type.

[MarsupilamiX]

Well... BIS gives you an SSL tunnel to the service provider BIS infrastructure. Then, if provider gives you email service as part of BBRY plan you have that email, within provider network (no Brin is going over that email in search of ads placement, and nobody else too). Then, if your email recipient uses same service - it's delivered over SSL tunnel again. Can't see breach here...

Obviously, if you use public email service - "all in" is your name then

As I said a number of times, I am not a network engineer or a system admin.

Therefore, I believe what they tell me.
That BIS is secure, is a lie. That it's security is a little bit better than nothing, well thats not hard.
But it is like a blind guy thinking he can see.

I am not sure, if what you said, is enterily true, but I know, that it is wrong to say that BIS is secure.

What I also do know, if what you said is true, is that BBRY only has 76 million users. So obviously, the chance that my recipient uses the same service, is rather unrealistic.

Other messengers encrypt their messenges. How good it is, well, every body must decide that for his own...
Therefore, your other post has a false premise.

We also shouldn't forget, that BBM on QNX still goes "Scrambled" through the NOC. We have no loss here. Even though it is not remotely as secure as BBM on a BES can be.

Since you have such a nice titled thread, I would suggest we continue that there.



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[EnBerry]

hm... i kind of closed that one, mentioned all i had to say

As far as "i believe what they say" - there's no need, if you'd simply follow link that was mentioned with BIS and admins and so on - you could pretty much see it yourself. Not complicated.

Another point about "BIS is not secure". That's not correct. If you'd follow link mentioned in this thread you'd see that logging into BIS means SSL tunnel. In technical world it's called security layer. If you'd argue that it's more secured than X or less secured than Y - then it's a comparative definition. Let me put this way - it's more secured to open this site over BIS than without. Cos' your service provider don't know what are you opening
So it's just a forced SSL connection between terminal and service provider. Can't get beter than this in out of the box product. Nothing exists now on the market that at least matches it.
Other messengers... - that's the thing, they all require setup, accounts, etc. BBRY - out of the box available. There's no additional security on BES for BBM, it's just another certificate limited to a close group. Nothing more so it's "same level of security" technically speaking.

[RubberChicken76]

Bring back BIS and there will be no service revenue problem requiring a solution. Simples.

What if no carrier wants to pay for it?

[EnBerry]

What if no carrier wants to pay for it?

i've heard you can milk the chicken What if you can?

[MarsupilamiX]

A little summary, on the ideas gathered:

1) BBM on other platforms

2) EMail service.
How it should work was described throughout the pages. A paid GMail subscritpion with EAS is 40$ a year for one mail adress.
How to secure the service, well, I guess the network engineers will sort that out for us, but there were some ideas in the thread.

3) Secure Cloud Service, not hosted in the USA, and with the possibility to have a strong encryption on the data stored.

4) VPN tunneling service, with encrpyted traffic, as an add on for every smartphone. Could be seen as opening up their NOC infrastructure to non BBRY devices.
These go up to 200$ from other providers.

5) MDM with BES10/Mobile Fusion

6) BBM Money

7) Maybe they should try to introduce
a Data Only plan, without phone number, where the data goes through BBRY's NOC infrastructure. Only for messaging.
Should only be considered in emerging markets.

8) Licencing QNX to TV manufacturers.

9) Leverage the "Balance" feature of the QNX devices, to entice consumers in a BYOD environment, to buy a BBRY.

Misc. thoughts:

Pricing must be set by BBRY to not cannibalize BES/Mobile Fusion.

BBM only per year somewhere between 2 and 5$ probably.

Hosted Email with BBM somewhere between 40 and 50$ a year for the lowest Tier. Maybe include the possibility to have more than one Email Adress for the lowest price. The more Email Adresses hosted, the higher the price.

The VPN solution, opens up the problem that these services can be used for pretty dodgy things. If BBRY does not want to deal with that, we must ignore that proposition.

All these services must be device agnostic. And cheaper/included for BBRY hardware customers.

And thanks a lot for everybody who contributed in here!

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[Shanerredflag]

All great ideas...Really like the data only , that would be a first and likely heavily used.

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[MarsupilamiX]

All great ideas...Really like the data only , that would be a first and likely heavily used.

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The thread was a great brainstorming session

I wonder if someone could forward these ideas to BBRY. Some of them are already adopted, but now widespread enough. Like BBM money for exemple. Great idea, but no announcement when some regions of the world will get it. Just one exemple.

Someone?
Somewhere?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-W6s84OgFia...600/please.jpg


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[Shanerredflag]

BBM Money can not happen without the carriers, they are all clamoring to figure out how to monetise and how to implement...not to mention NFC is proprietary and everyone is suing everyone on that front yet.

My hope is that BlackBerry's NOC can be monetized for BlackBerry Wallet. They are the only player with a safe secure proven worldwide network...they will figure it out...just a matter of time.

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[MarsupilamiX]

BBM Money can not happen without the carriers, they are all clamoring to figure out how to monetise and how to implement...not to mention NFC is proprietary and everyone is suing everyone on that front yet.

My hope is that BlackBerry's NOC can be monetized for BlackBerry Wallet. They are the only player with a safe secure proven worldwide network...they will figure it out...just a matter of time.

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I agree with you.

But since CreditCards with RFID chips are becoming more widespread, the moment we are talking here right now, I thought they would have some announcements on the payment front.

Since I am a shareholder as well, it kind of confuses me, that BBRY has not made any announcement yet, on what they really plan considering service revenue, apart from MDM/BES10/Mobile Fusion.

I want to stay long in BBRY, and waited a long time (^^), for entering the stock.
Therefore it worries me, that they only have one point of failure right now
Which is the production/selling of phones.

If they lose on that front, they are gone, and my hopes that I can gain far more than a 100% with their stock as well.

I do not like that possibility.

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[Shanerredflag]

Agree...they have to spread their wings .
I'm curious to see what TH discusses at BlackBerry Live... He won't tip his hand to far but should provide a glimpse of where his vision will take the company and what we might expect for the future.
Tech is a tough stock to hold...I feel your frustration

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[MarsupilamiX]

Agree...they have to spread their wings .
I'm curious to see what TH discusses at BlackBerry Live... He won't tip his hand to far but should provide a glimpse of where his vision will take the company and what we might expect for the future.
Tech is a tough stock to hold...I feel your frustration

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I am sure a lot of shareholders/stakeholders are anticipating the BBRY live.
And you are right, tech is a hard stock to hold... But BBRY is a gem though. No other "Established" stock, has that much growth potential right now IMHO.

I heard 3D printers are the next big thing somewhere....

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[MarsupilamiX]

Does anybody know how much potential QNX has, in the automotive industry?

As far as I know, they work together with Bentley, which means they should have a link to VW, and therefore to Seat/Audi/Skoda/Porsche/Lamborghini/ (and i am sure there are more) so that could be a big partnership.

The trend in the industry, since BMW introduced the iDrive, is to get more multimedia into the car.
The epitome of that would be the Tesla Model S.



How does BBRY plan, on levereging their IP for this trend?

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[MarsupilamiX]

Someone? No?


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[MarsupilamiX]

http://www.engadget.com/2013/05/11/p...cer-passwords/

Recently speaking at the Interop IT conference, PayPal's chief information security officer, Michael Barrett, stated that passwords and PINs were operating on borrowed time. Barrett hopes to replace online security keys with a setup that's a blend of software and hardware-based identification. He also serves as president of the Fast Identity Online Alliance (FIDO) -- the organization's focus is to combine an effective mix of software (passwords and plugins) and hardware (USB drives and fingerprint scanners) for user authentication.

PayPal's technology boss didn't allude to his company adopting these new types of security systems for its customers anytime soon. Instead he announced that FIDO-enabled devices will be hitting the market sometime this year. Progress, yes, but until this hardware becomes more widely available, it's likely that you'll be spending more time getting acquainted with two-step logins.

Also something where BlackBerry could use their past experience.

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[Shanerredflag]

NOC is key here imo...monetise this and welcome to the rebirth..

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[MarsupilamiX]

NOC is key here imo...monetise this and welcome to the rebirth..

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I thought about it, and yes, it would be.
Could be an incredible solution, when paired with the NOC.

Also: Today BBM was announced to go platform.
What did I say that BBRY should do in this thread?

(sorry, I love it when my crystal ball hits the spot perfectly!)

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[Shanerredflag]

Lol...always a 50/50 of nailing it. I thought today was great...bear raid failed, BBM will take over the IM market, Channels (although a long shot) is great for so many company's to use...not just the obvious like Escorts lol. Mid level device is a step to help with market share.

Great day.

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