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  • Yes, I'm acting now !

    697 62.46%
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    419 37.54%
  1. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    More on this:

    https://canada.autonews.com/technolo...sch-subsidiary

    "The opportunity for us within the vehicle has gone from maybe two modules to seven or eight modules," BlackBerry senior vice-president John Wall said.
    That's an old line too, going back a few years now... with no real noticeable output from QNX.
    techvisor likes this.
    11-13-19 11:03 AM
  2. dalinxz's Avatar
    More on this:

    https://canada.autonews.com/technolo...sch-subsidiary

    "The opportunity for us within the vehicle has gone from maybe two modules to seven or eight modules," BlackBerry senior vice-president John Wall said.
    So as usual, what they were already supposed to have, what they already had a product for, now results in yet another partnership to create something that was already supposed to have been created while countless new entrants have already leaped into the race.

    Penny stock.
    techvisor likes this.
    11-13-19 12:43 PM
  3. smithm565's Avatar
    "Stop being jealous of iMessage. What you need to know about Android's fancy texting update"

    https://www.cnet.com/how-to/stop-bei...CAD-03-10abf2a

    Would have been nice to see BB involved in this or been able to morph BBM into something similar.
    Greened likes this.
    11-13-19 03:29 PM
  4. EchoTango's Avatar
    "Stop being jealous of iMessage. What you need to know about Android's fancy texting update"

    https://www.cnet.com/how-to/stop-bei...CAD-03-10abf2a

    Would have been nice to see BB involved in this or been able to morph BBM into something similar.
    It's a sad fact that as the functionality increases in Android applications the quantity and quality of data capture only synergistically improves. You have to be fully aware or at least assume that ALL information entered or held in an Android applications becomes the property of Google to be sold wholesale or used to produce analytics.

    BBM data (unfortunately for us shareholders) was never sold or monitored which most users either didn't know or even cared. I think it's clear little value was perceived for this high level of privacy.
    11-13-19 04:19 PM
  5. Dunt Dunt Dunt's Avatar
    It's a sad fact that as the functionality increases in Android applications the quantity and quality of data capture only synergistically improves. You have to be fully aware or at least assume that ALL information entered or held in an Android applications becomes the property of Google to be sold wholesale or used to produce analytics.

    BBM data (unfortunately for us shareholders) was never sold or monitored which most users either didn't know or even cared. I think it's clear little value was perceived for this high level of privacy.
    Do agree.... BBM crossplatfrom in 2009, would have been huge.
    11-13-19 04:44 PM
  6. BanffMoose's Avatar
    "Stop being jealous of iMessage. What you need to know about Android's fancy texting update"

    https://www.cnet.com/how-to/stop-bei...CAD-03-10abf2a

    Would have been nice to see BB involved in this or been able to morph BBM into something similar.
    As the article said (emphasis added):
    "In 2018, Google and Samsung announced a partnership to bring RCS messaging to more Android devices, but without carrier support, it doesn't mean much.
    Remember BlackBerry's Movirtu acquisition, the software solution to add up to 9 phone numbers to any phone to better enable work/personal separation? Remember that protocol for enabling secure mobile banking transactions developed by BlackBerry that only Canadian banks said they were adopting? In addition to the BlackBery phones (obligatory mention here), these are all dead technologies because of lack of carrier support.

    Carriers are king-makers and they are protecting their kingdoms. About the only thing BlackBerry could have done, as others wished, was make BBM cross platform much, much earlier, and gotten off their high horse and just made it brain-dead easy to add/keep BBM contacts as they changed devices. At least BBM didn't require carrier support!
    11-13-19 06:48 PM
  7. BanffMoose's Avatar
    BBM data (unfortunately for us shareholders) was never sold or monitored which most users either didn't know or even cared. I think it's clear little value was perceived for this high level of privacy.
    As much as it pains me to say it, in hindsight, the value of BBM data was valued properly. The current economy is based on LACK of privacy.
    dalinxz, Corbu, EchoTango and 2 others like this.
    11-13-19 08:43 PM
  8. Corbu's Avatar
    11-14-19 07:50 AM
  9. rarsen's Avatar
    OT general smartphone information:

    U.S. border agents can't search your laptop or phone without good reason, court rules
    https://www.tomsguide.com/news/us-bo...on-court-rules
    It's likely that this ruling will be appealed by the Department of Homeland Security, and we are not of sufficient legal knowledge to be able to tell from the rather complicated text of the ruling whether the ruling will apply immediately or nationwide. But we hope that next time a border agent asks you to open up your laptop and type in the password, you can at least be given a good explanation why.

    Huawei Security Chief on Trump, 5G and Whether You'll Ever Be Able to Buy a Huawei Phone Again
    https://www.tomsguide.com/news/huawe...urdy-interview
    Andy Purdy opinion: China and the U.S. are doing a pretty good job of surveilling most of the world, and not necessarily through Huawei equipment. The fact is, the major nation-states can hack into all the networks and systems. They can go through the equipment of all the telecom equipment vendors. You can’t steal innovative technology. You steal existing technology.

    Officials warn about the dangers of using public USB charging stations
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/offici...24037827013043
    USB connections were designed to work as both data and power transfer mediums, with no strict barrier between the two. As smartphones became more popular in the past decade, security researchers figured out they could abuse USB connections that a user might think was only transferring electrical power to hide and deliver secret data payloads.
    This type of attack received its own name, as "juice jacking."
    Last edited by rarsen; 11-15-19 at 12:20 PM.
    11-15-19 11:16 AM
  10. rarsen's Avatar
    Don't know if this was previously uploaded to this site:

    BlackBerry Scores Highest in 3 Use Cases out of 4 in 2019 Gartner Critical Capabilities for UEM Tools Report
    https://blogs.blackberry.com/en/2019...m-tools-report
    The recently released 2019 Gartner Magic Quadrant for Unified Endpoint Management Tools, recognized BlackBerry as a Leader in the UEM vendor market for the fourth consecutive year.
    BlackBerry UEM securely enables the Internet of Things (IoT) with comprehensive endpoint management and policy control for the growing array of enterprise devices and applications. It stands tall as a singular solution for device and app management that incorporates end-to-end security to provide enterprises with the flexibility and protection they need.
    11-15-19 06:36 PM
  11. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    Don't know if this was previously uploaded to this site:

    BlackBerry Scores Highest in 3 Use Cases out of 4 in 2019 Gartner Critical Capabilities for UEM Tools Report
    https://blogs.blackberry.com/en/2019...m-tools-report
    The recently released 2019 Gartner Magic Quadrant for Unified Endpoint Management Tools, recognized BlackBerry as a Leader in the UEM vendor market for the fourth consecutive year.
    BlackBerry UEM securely enables the Internet of Things (IoT) with comprehensive endpoint management and policy control for the growing array of enterprise devices and applications. It stands tall as a singular solution for device and app management that incorporates end-to-end security to provide enterprises with the flexibility and protection they need.
    Too bad these high ratings dont translate to high revenues and high profits... for bbry.
    EchoTango, dalinxz and techvisor like this.
    11-15-19 08:47 PM
  12. dalinxz's Avatar
    Too bad these high ratings dont translate to high revenues and high profits... for bbry.
    Sadly the company pushes these types of PR, and if you look carefully they only look 1 study, UEM in particular. There are many other quadrants for other areas, so BlackBerry selectively picks what to promote. This company continues to pat themselves on the back while completely destroying the company.

    Chen has been an absolute devastation to the company, and is now the reason it's a mere penny stock. Not even sure why this is still trading on the NYSE with current volume and silence from the company as if they're dead in the water. Chen shuttered divisions, rewrote the entire portfolio of companies, reclassified revenues and any acquisition has simply bled in and away. The real problem is Chen and Watsa, although they refuse to die on their own swords and instead have pillaged the coffers of this company, squeezed the juice out of it before they toss it for crumbs as shareholders get the ultimate shaft. Being misled for several years of the assets the company had, what they were doing only to be fooled quarter after quarter.

    A tech company in one of the most valuable spaces to be with a treasure trove of assets underperforming for 7+ years in the hottest tech market and stock market in entire history, and BlackBerry trading at All time lows not seen in 17 years!!

    This company is a tiny fraction of if it's original size with most assets depleted. Little in terms of net cash, forcing that CD to execution, So many years paying Watsa interest on cash unused, only to blow whatever they had saved into a terrible deal. So much to rant about, but who cares anymore. The market gave up long ago, now it's the rest of us who are deemed to. Watsa will eventually succeed in taking the company under, or a takeover will enable Chen/Watsa poison pills to payout their entire compensation plus penalties. Shareholders have been diluted and left to roast while losing out on any returns on capitals invested in the highest return economy in history.

    Well done Chen, you're truly a hack!
    11-15-19 09:44 PM
  13. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Sadly the company pushes these types of PR, and if you look carefully they only look 1 study, UEM in particular. There are many other quadrants for other areas, so BlackBerry selectively picks what to promote. This company continues to pat themselves on the back while completely destroying the company.

    Chen has been an absolute devastation to the company, and is now the reason it's a mere penny stock. Not even sure why this is still trading on the NYSE with current volume and silence from the company as if they're dead in the water. Chen shuttered divisions, rewrote the entire portfolio of companies, reclassified revenues and any acquisition has simply bled in and away. The real problem is Chen and Watsa, although they refuse to die on their own swords and instead have pillaged the coffers of this company, squeezed the juice out of it before they toss it for crumbs as shareholders get the ultimate shaft. Being misled for several years of the assets the company had, what they were doing only to be fooled quarter after quarter.

    A tech company in one of the most valuable spaces to be with a treasure trove of assets underperforming for 7+ years in the hottest tech market and stock market in entire history, and BlackBerry trading at All time lows not seen in 17 years!!

    This company is a tiny fraction of if it's original size with most assets depleted. Little in terms of net cash, forcing that CD to execution, So many years paying Watsa interest on cash unused, only to blow whatever they had saved into a terrible deal. So much to rant about, but who cares anymore. The market gave up long ago, now it's the rest of us who are deemed to. Watsa will eventually succeed in taking the company under, or a takeover will enable Chen/Watsa poison pills to payout their entire compensation plus penalties. Shareholders have been diluted and left to roast while losing out on any returns on capitals invested in the highest return economy in history.

    Well done Chen, you're truly a hack!
    The assets were depleted long before Chen showed up. The liabilities to creditors from that epic fail BB10 completely destroyed the mighty BB at time. If not for Watsa lifeline infusion you’d have just worthless paper.
    rampagingpanda likes this.
    11-15-19 10:23 PM
  14. dalinxz's Avatar
    The assets were depleted long before Chen showed up. The liabilities to creditors from that epic fail BB10 completely destroyed the mighty BB at time. If not for Watsa lifeline infusion you’d have just worthless paper.
    Would have to disagree with you, the cash that Watsa 'infused' into the company did nothing for the company but sit there since their cash pile was consistently above the mark by a far amount, all that CD did was set a big anchor in the stock price and pay Watsa very safe interest while he could observe where the markets were going. Chen tried to be a wise man by saving the money and boasted about that and saving the company while shunning the company into secrecy and now obsolescence while we live in a completely different tech ecosystem now.

    BlackBerry lacked experience and expertise all along, and had little to no business in any other areas and only built what it has now from poor acquisitions and bad deals, obviously. Terrible deployment of capital, while compensating himself the likes of CEO's from major tech companies.

    Now with whatever settlements do happen against the social media giants will be negligible but possibly sizable compared to the current market cap, as Chen would like to be seen, he will likely force a quick settlement to show some earnings to counter some of the vicious and deserved sentiment after this last repeatedly failed ER.
    techvisor likes this.
    11-15-19 10:49 PM
  15. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    Would have to disagree with you, the cash that Watsa 'infused' into the company did nothing for the company but sit there since their cash pile was consistently above the mark by a far amount, all that CD did was set a big anchor in the stock price and pay Watsa very safe interest while he could observe where the markets were going. Chen tried to be a wise man by saving the money and boasted about that and saving the company while shunning the company into secrecy and now obsolescence while we live in a completely different tech ecosystem now.

    BlackBerry lacked experience and expertise all along, and had little to no business in any other areas and only built what it has now from poor acquisitions and bad deals, obviously. Terrible deployment of capital, while compensating himself the likes of CEO's from major tech companies.

    Now with whatever settlements do happen against the social media giants will be negligible but possibly sizable compared to the current market cap, as Chen would like to be seen, he will likely force a quick settlement to show some earnings to counter some of the vicious and deserved sentiment after this last repeatedly failed ER.
    That cash sat there because without it, the company would have been upside down. That $1 billion from Watsa and Fairfax is the only reason the company didn’t file bankruptcy and liquidate assets. Shareholders including Watsa and Fairfax would have been left with the worthless paper that I referenced earlier. He saved the company and shareholders including himself for his own shareholders of Fairfax and installed Chen with the approval of the board on behalf of shareholders.
    rarsen and rampagingpanda like this.
    11-15-19 11:02 PM
  16. dalinxz's Avatar
    That cash sat there because without it, the company would have been upside down. That $1 billion from Watsa and Fairfax is the only reason the company didn’t file bankruptcy and liquidate assets. Shareholders including Watsa and Fairfax would have been left with the worthless paper that I referenced earlier. He saved the company and shareholders including himself for his own shareholders of Fairfax and installed Chen with the approval of the board on behalf of shareholders.
    I disagree and could go back looking at a million numbers, but after following it for so many years and seeing quarter after quarter of devastation with a BOD and executives unchanged, the writing is on the wall for the company changing hands at expense of shareholders. Resistance is futile and disappointment is expected.

    Have an amazing weekend and enjoy life, forget about the dump that is failedberry.
    elfabio80 and techvisor like this.
    11-15-19 11:10 PM
  17. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    I disagree and could go back looking at a million numbers, but after following it for so many years and seeing quarter after quarter of devastation with a BOD and executives unchanged, the writing is on the wall for the company changing hands at expense of shareholders. Resistance is futile and disappointment is expected.

    Have an amazing weekend and enjoy life, forget about the dump that is failedberry.
    I’m a fan of Fairfax and Watsa so it’s all good.
    dalinxz and rarsen like this.
    11-15-19 11:17 PM
  18. dalinxz's Avatar
    I’m a fan of Fairfax and Watsa so it’s all good.
    Would have been the better investment all along, that's for sure.
    techvisor likes this.
    11-16-19 12:25 AM
  19. _dimi_'s Avatar
    BlackBerry and Snap have apparently reached a settlement..
    11-16-19 05:43 AM
  20. Seadog83's Avatar
    That cash sat there because without it, the company would have been upside down. That $1 billion from Watsa and Fairfax is the only reason the company didn’t file bankruptcy and liquidate assets. Shareholders including Watsa and Fairfax would have been left with the worthless paper that I referenced earlier. He saved the company and shareholders including himself for his own shareholders of Fairfax and installed Chen with the approval of the board on behalf of shareholders.
    While I find dalinxz's comments to be a bit over the top, I truly don't get how you conclude BB would have been bankrupt sans Watsa's infusion.

    At absolutely no point did BB have a net negative cash position. "The only reason the company didn’t file bankruptcy and liquidate assets" is actually because their liabilities never exceeded their net amount of cash, let alone assets, nor did they ever have a problem repaying them in full, let alone merely the servicing required to stave of bankruptcy .

    It's like having a $200k mortgage, while having a million dollars in the bank, then arguing that mortgage is the only reason you didn't declare bankruptcy. Unless you have less than $200k in assets, and no conceivable way of even servicing the debt let alone paying it, that's the only time bankruptcy is even on the table.

    Now, to that end, it could be argued as Chen has that the $1b infusion helped shore up confidence, and give potential clients/investors more reason to stay involved in the company and prevent a negative reinforcing feedback loop from taking hold. Keep in mind the $900m QCOM payment was a black swan. Had a few things gone different/worse, they very much may have needed that entire $1.2b loan, and securing it at the time was merely being prudent. You could argue it's no longer needed as BB is generating cash now, and presumably will for the foreseeable future.

    I've mentioned before, but I still don't see how Watsa is laughing all the way to the bank. He's made what, $200m in interest payments optimistically? Meanwhile his $850m investment in 10% of BB has been whittled to less than a third of that. Great. Get involved with a co, lose $600m on stock, but gain a minority share of it back in interest? Well played.

    Now, back to the stock it self, the Hyundai, Bosch, and Gartner things are of course good news, but it's just more of the same we've had for years and years, and we're well past the point of a company that cries "wolf!". Hell I thought even with the "couple year lead time" that was bandied about we'd start to see some actual meat from these deals around now, given that the vehicles are starting to ship, and presumably companies are using Jarvis? But still nothing. Meanwhile Chen can't even be bothered to lay out his grand vision about how he plans to get to where he wants, and how/why he's confident he'll get to where he seeks. I still have faith in this company, but I don't get why these grand announcements are made, Jarvis, Delphi, Baidu, certification after certification, spectacular reviews from the likes of Gartner et al, and that's the absolute last we ever hear of it.
    11-16-19 07:25 AM
  21. _dimi_'s Avatar
    QNX is years (decades?) From potentially contributing seriously ... with each passing year of squandered opportunities, the competition (Google, MSFT, etc)... just eat bbry's lunch.

    .... I can honestly say, for the last 12+ years, it was my worst investment decision... last december finally cut my losses and invested in MSFT, ETC... (up 40+ ytd..)

    . Bbry is, at best, dead money, just sitting there, while markets are now at all time highs... History has shown, the moment markets correct, Bbry will face an even higher correction... south... Honestly, I have little confidence in this management to do anything with remaining "assets".. even if they win some Patent deals, they will squander the cash... buy some useless company... while MSFT And others leapfrog them...

    This is a tarnished company and brand and most investors dont want to put money there.. no matter how cheap the sp is.... it is speculative company now.., with no serious means of scaling up revs and profitability.

    ... i wish I had pulled out of this company years earlier and re invested in MSFT, APPLE,... Now enjoying my Samsung 10+... I no longer have emotional tie to this company
    ... once a tech visionary ...

    .... if only we knew then what we know now. I'm sorry, but to me it does seem that you're still emotional about this company. Don't you want it to succeed?

    If BlackBerry had 1 billion to spend (wisely, not like Frank Boulben did) on marketing and sales for their software offering, then their business WOULD grow. No doubt about it. I'm seeing Crowdstrike publicity everywhere, while I'm actually looking for BlackBerry/Cylance news.

    JC is a bit cheap when it comes to spending money. Maybe that will change once he has figured out what their cash/debt position will be going forward. He still needs to get rid of that bond debenture (expiring in 2020), without causing further dilution.

    They have great technology. Don't you believe that some of the big players would want to buy them, for the right price? Have you done a sum-of-the-parts 'analysis'? I can't come up with a price that is lower than 7 USD per share. Can you? That's a 30 percent return from today's price.

    I do believe that they will be eventually acquired, with markets again at all-time-highs, I think that patience is wearing really thin. With the Twitter case almost settled, Snap case most probably settled, Apple case definitely settled,.... there's only the Facebook lawsuit left. I don't think that this will stand in the way of a buyout.
    Corbu and rampagingpanda like this.
    11-16-19 11:04 AM
  22. Chuck Finley69's Avatar
    While I find dalinxz's comments to be a bit over the top, I truly don't get how you conclude BB would have been bankrupt sans Watsa's infusion.

    At absolutely no point did BB have a net negative cash position. "The only reason the company didn’t file bankruptcy and liquidate assets" is actually because their liabilities never exceeded their net amount of cash, let alone assets, nor did they ever have a problem repaying them in full, let alone merely the servicing required to stave of bankruptcy .

    It's like having a $200k mortgage, while having a million dollars in the bank, then arguing that mortgage is the only reason you didn't declare bankruptcy. Unless you have less than $200k in assets, and no conceivable way of even servicing the debt let alone paying it, that's the only time bankruptcy is even on the table.

    Now, to that end, it could be argued as Chen has that the $1b infusion helped shore up confidence, and give potential clients/investors more reason to stay involved in the company and prevent a negative reinforcing feedback loop from taking hold. Keep in mind the $900m QCOM payment was a black swan. Had a few things gone different/worse, they very much may have needed that entire $1.2b loan, and securing it at the time was merely being prudent. You could argue it's no longer needed as BB is generating cash now, and presumably will for the foreseeable future.

    I've mentioned before, but I still don't see how Watsa is laughing all the way to the bank. He's made what, $200m in interest payments optimistically? Meanwhile his $850m investment in 10% of BB has been whittled to less than a third of that. Great. Get involved with a co, lose $600m on stock, but gain a minority share of it back in interest? Well played.

    Now, back to the stock it self, the Hyundai, Bosch, and Gartner things are of course good news, but it's just more of the same we've had for years and years, and we're well past the point of a company that cries "wolf!". Hell I thought even with the "couple year lead time" that was bandied about we'd start to see some actual meat from these deals around now, given that the vehicles are starting to ship, and presumably companies are using Jarvis? But still nothing. Meanwhile Chen can't even be bothered to lay out his grand vision about how he plans to get to where he wants, and how/why he's confident he'll get to where he seeks. I still have faith in this company, but I don't get why these grand announcements are made, Jarvis, Delphi, Baidu, certification after certification, spectacular reviews from the likes of Gartner et al, and that's the absolute last we ever hear of it.
    At time, BB cash position was only positive in the sense that all the liabilities weren’t coming due at same time. Biggest issue with that was revenue from BIS/BES was severe decline and cash burn rate was huge. So the $1 billion was the buffer that creditors needed to see was in place that meant BB could hopefully survive while Chen was rightsizing every aspect of the business from employees to real estate. It’s what allowed the business transition away from it’s largest business which had effectively failed when BB10 failed at introduction. The massive BB10 Z10 failure, doesn’t matter the reason, with all the returned and unsold hardware killed the mobile division within 90 days of introduction. Like a NASCAR driver who cannot afford to pit on final 10 laps for gas, because of 2-3 laps down from leaders on race lap, BlackBerry ran out of fuel before it made another pass and knew it didn’t matter because that checkered flag had fallen anyway.
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    11-16-19 11:23 AM
  23. Seadog83's Avatar
    ...I can't come up with a price that is lower than 7 USD per share. Can you? That's a 30 percent return from today's price....
    That in isolation would not be bad. Except that myself and the majority of others' are likely in for around $10ish, even after years of averaging down, certainly higher than today's price unless you had the foresight to sell the rallys and buy the dips, which was a decent strategy, except for the last couple years when it wasn't. RSIs of 23 rebounding back to 50 alongside not because of the price, but simply time, which then predicated more dips. So while "an obvious 30% upside" which is even more bearish than most of the most bearish analysts would be nice, assume if that does come to pass, we would only be around where it was when Chen took over. I mean let that statement sink in. A 30% upside, and you get to the fortunate position of realizing dead money for 6 years (and counting). It would take a tripling, just to get to where an investment in the SP500 would be since Chen took over. And that's ignoring people who started with large positions from the days prior.
    11-16-19 11:38 AM
  24. world traveler and former ceo's Avatar
    That in isolation would not be bad. Except that myself and the majority of others' are likely in for around $10ish, even after years of averaging down, certainly higher than today's price unless you had the foresight to sell the rallys and buy the dips, which was a decent strategy, except for the last couple years when it wasn't. RSIs of 23 rebounding back to 50 alongside not because of the price, but simply time, which then predicated more dips. So while "an obvious 30% upside" which is even more bearish than most of the most bearish analysts would be nice, assume if that does come to pass, we would only be around where it was when Chen took over. I mean let that statement sink in. A 30% upside, and you get to the fortunate position of realizing dead money for 6 years (and counting). It would take a tripling, just to get to where an investment in the SP500 would be since Chen took over. And that's ignoring people who started with large positions from the days prior.
    We are at all time highs in Nasdak and Dow.! .. yet where is bbry during all of this?... right.. barely afloat ...this stock is more likely to drop 20 percent next ER than go up 20%, pending any hail Mary gifts from litigation. .. and that's not factoring in any major market correction.

    bag holders have every right to be pissed at this company... they have squandered numerous chances to sell.. look at Nokia... they got MSFT TO BUY... WHATSAPP, ...list goes on... BBM >>> 0. , QNX... should have been sold years ago..now... wait ten years...by then Google and others will have eaten their lunch. Startup after startup has surpassed them ....while they tread water quarter after quarter ..more bag holders....

    The few faithful remaining are like Linus in the cabbage patch, waiting for the Great Pumpkin to arrive.... lol

    Only ones who love this company are shorts..... yet "turnaround complete " statements from Chen was followed by .... underperform..... credibility lost. Sorry... Bbry, you have no credibility .
    dalinxz and techvisor like this.
    11-16-19 12:38 PM
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