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  1. app_Developer's Avatar
    Sorry for the dup
    11-13-13 04:48 PM
  2. plasmid_boy's Avatar
    Prepare Yourself, an Android Runtime Update is Coming! «BlackBerry Developer Blog

    First update of runtime OTA to come ?
    "Android native support"... don't have to wait for 10.2.1.1055, maybe ?

    Posted via CB10
    Would this means that BB tools for porting Android apps over to the BB10 will also be easier?
    Superfly, would this encourage developers to port their Android apps over (since it is so easy now)?
    sidhuk and bungaboy like this.
    11-13-13 04:58 PM
  3. Bacon Munchers's Avatar
    Hey chaps!

    Wow, I left off at 2724! It'll take me 2 hours to catch ya'll....

    Just wanted to say that with all the latest OS news, I haven't been this excited about our direction since the..... never mind. . let's not jinx things.

    Go BlackBerry!
    11-13-13 05:13 PM
  4. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    If they allow direct apk downloads then they are begging for people to set up bootleg app stores. It's just too easy.

    The cost of the app doesn't matter. Our apps are free, but we definitely don't want them running on non-Android phones. If BB goes through with this they are trampling all over their developer relationships.

    I see this as incredibly desperate and unprofessional.

    Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk
    Question, if Google asked your (Devs) permission would that solve the issue?

    One more question, Do Devs want as many eyes as possible seeing their work?

    One more... Do these tools make it so easy to port to BB10 that Devs really have a choice...don't do it and people that want the app will port themselves or Do it and be happy?


    Posted via CB10
    11-13-13 05:15 PM
  5. app_Developer's Avatar
    Question, if Google asked your (Devs) permission would that solve the issue?
    Of course, then we can check a box to support BB10 if and when we're ready to support it

    One more question, Do Devs want as many eyes as possible seeing their work?
    Not necessarily. We're a bank, so we only want our apps on devices which we are able to properly support. That's why we stopped our BB6/7 app, because it was costing us too much for the few people who were actually using it.

    One more... Do these tools make it so easy to port to BB10 that Devs really have a choice...don't do it and people that want the app will port themselves or Do it and be happy?
    I'm all in favor of BB improving the Android runtime to make it easier for us to support BB10. If it tips the cost/benefit in favor of being in BBWorld, that would be great, then we'll put the app in BBWorld.

    What I'm not in favor of is BlackBerry disregarding our IP rights with this passive aggressive "if you won't port your apps, we'll just bypass you and enable our users to port your app without your permission". That was specifically what they promised us they wouldn't do.




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    11-13-13 05:26 PM
  6. Bacon Munchers's Avatar
    Good move.

    Wait to host a Jam when there is really something to Jam about.

    In the meantime, just shut-up and listen to what people want from your hardware and services; and do that.
    11-13-13 05:27 PM
  7. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    Of course, then we can check a box to support BB10 if and when we're ready to support it



    Not necessarily. We're a bank, so we only want our apps on devices which we are able to properly support. That's why we stopped our BB6/7 app, because it was costing us too much for the few people who were actually using it.



    I'm all in favor of BB improving the Android runtime to make it easier for us to support BB10. If it tips the cost/benefit in favor of being in BBWorld, that would be great, then we'll put the app in BBWorld.

    What I'm not in favor of is BlackBerry disregarding our IP rights with this passive aggressive "if you won't port your apps, we'll just bypass you and enable our users to port your app without your permission". That was specifically what they promised us they wouldn't do.




    Sent from my iPhone 5S using Tapatalk
    Thanks for replying. I agree with your IP concern...there has to be more to this...pretty sure they wouldn't open that can of worms when they actively discourage patent infringement.

    Posted via CB10
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    11-13-13 05:40 PM
  8. app_Developer's Avatar
    Thanks for replying. I agree with your IP concern...there has to be more to this...pretty sure they wouldn't open that can of worms when they actively discourage patent infringement.
    I hope you're right. I have some faith than Chen has been around software long enough to understand where developers are coming from on this, and the long term value of those relationships with large banks and other publishers like that.


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    11-13-13 05:44 PM
  9. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    Would this means that BB tools for porting Android apps over to the BB10 will also be easier?
    Superfly, would this encourage developers to port their Android apps over (since it is so easy now)?
    What is unclear is how these apk will be distributed. Latest "official" statement tend to demo that nothing but bars (converted) will feed BBWORLD, for security and quality concerns.
    But the logic is weird: why convert apps that don't need to be converted ?
    So, my perception is that we might see apk in bbworld without conversion. This would be the best of both worlds... unique store and growing catalog, android devs will just have to upload... As of date, this is fantasy. But who knows...

    Posted via CB10

    Good night gang !
    11-13-13 05:44 PM
  10. danprown's Avatar
    I have the same feeling about Chan. While exciting for some current users, I suspect these "leaks" are just from engineers at BBRY playing around with what is possible. What is possible and what is legal are two entirely different things. Unless BBRY commits to Andorid oficially, all is a sideshow.

    I am also of the opinion that all these "leaks" and "sideloading" are overall tarnishing the security image of BBRY. "Security" and "leaks" and "sideloading" and going to "MEGA" websites to download what "teams" have "compiled" do not roll off the tongue nicely in one sentence. People here say, but all is signed by BBRY, yada yada, yada, the OS is still super secure, and it is true... until a "leak" melts something at BBRY and BBRY blames the "leak"... but overall this is the vernacular of Andorid (at best) and illegal donwloaders (at worst).
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    11-13-13 06:48 PM
  11. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    11-13-13 07:45 PM
  12. Corbu's Avatar
    Nice indeed, thanks!

    Upbeat news being so scarce, let's link another article which is part of that thread:
    Three reasons to stick with BlackBerry - Pat Brans!

    OT:
    Facebook Said to Offer $3B for Snapchat to Attract Teens - Bloomberg

    So anxious for BBM-x to fulfill its potential!
    Last edited by Corbu; 11-14-13 at 01:10 PM.
    11-13-13 08:21 PM
  13. Bacon Munchers's Avatar
    I have the same feeling about Chan. While exciting for some current users, I suspect these "leaks" are just from engineers at BBRY playing around with what is possible. What is possible and what is legal are two entirely different things. Unless BBRY commits to Andorid oficially, all is a sideshow.

    I am also of the opinion that all these "leaks" and "sideloading" are overall tarnishing the security image of BBRY. "Security" and "leaks" and "sideloading" and going to "MEGA" websites to download what "teams" have "compiled" do not roll off the tongue nicely in one sentence. People here say, but all is signed by BBRY, yada yada, yada, the OS is still super secure, and it is true... until a "leak" melts something at BBRY and BBRY blames the "leak"... but overall this is the vernacular of Andorid (at best) and illegal donwloaders (at worst).
    Yeah, time will tell how this plays out. It does seem that BlackBerry is taking the 'safe' path of partaking in the runtime, but not seeming to officially commit (possible poor selection of words), but my thought is that we need recognition, and what better way to do it then by saying that the BlackBerry 10 devices can run Android apps without breaking a sweat. It is like free advertising.
    My following thought would be that perhaps the geniuses at Apple may get red faced enough to crack and just buy BlackBerry out (forget the bid thing and just slap down a hefty sum to ditract anyone else from entering the game). Perhaps not because they need bb10, but to cover grounds already mentioned by many here.

    Alternately, Google just may do the same in order to trump Apple and really give Apple a blatant thumb to the eye! We could see a tug of war here. Both potential suitors have enough reserves to buy BlackBerry many times over and not even blink an eye.

    Apparently, Apple is the currently the most cash-rich company in the world.
    11-13-13 09:29 PM
  14. Corbu's Avatar
    For those of you who may not have seen this, from another CB thread: "Canso key fund manager John Carswell on Bond debt" - 4 min video

    http://forums.crackberry.com/general...3/#post9537582

    Does not concern BBRY per se. More of an enlightening background piece.

    Props to original poster jic999.
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    11-13-13 10:30 PM
  15. Bacon Munchers's Avatar
    Could this be a parallel to where BlackBerry is going? Should BlackBerry have an alternate Android app download site to get around the current awkwardness?


    Finnish MeeGo Startup Jolla Selects Yandex?s Android App Store For Preloading On Its Sailfish OS Handset

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/11/13/jolla-yandex/
    11-13-13 10:49 PM
  16. Corbu's Avatar
    A bit silly and slightly OT, but still... A bit of trivia!

    I was reading some background stuff on John Chen.

    We all know that John Chen is on the Board of Disney. He has been there since 2004. Who else - among the other directors - has been on the Disney Board, since March 2010?

    "Sheryl Sandberg, 42, has served as the Chief Operating Officer of Facebook, Inc., an online social networking company, since March 2008. From 2001 to March 2008, Ms. Sandberg was the Vice President of Global Online Sales and Operations for Google Inc., an Internet search engine company."

    Let's hope the man's contacts and knowledge will, one day, benefit all of us faithful shareholders.
    11-13-13 10:53 PM
  17. Bacon Munchers's Avatar
    .. and while I am on a link stint:

    Here's Where Teens Are Going Instead Of Facebook

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyols...d-of-facebook/

    Hey Morgan,
    Time to short Facebook (and probably Twitter) in leiu of this Social media app(??)

    Hmm, where does BBM fit here....
    11-13-13 10:54 PM
  18. danprown's Avatar
    OT but somewhat related:

    Snapchat Spurned $3 Billion Acquisition Offer from Facebook - Digits - WSJ

    Look where valuation finds support from from -- China. This leads me to believe that no foreign entity could have bought BBRY because of the Canadian national security review which might have killed any realistic deal starting with Lenovo. There is little doubt in my mind if it were truly an open process with players from China, Korea, Russia, and the Middle East, BBRY would have been snapped immediately under 5B.
    11-13-13 10:56 PM
  19. danprown's Avatar
    All makes sense but I believe due to the Canadian national review, no foreign company could have bought it and many gave up. To put 5B in a now hostile takeover and have it tied up in a national review process would be crazy at this point. The players might wait to divvy up the patents, like with Nortel.

    Yeah, time will tell how this plays out. It does seem that BlackBerry is taking the 'safe' path of partaking in the runtime, but not seeming to officially commit (possible poor selection of words), but my thought is that we need recognition, and what better way to do it then by saying that the BlackBerry 10 devices can run Android apps without breaking a sweat. It is like free advertising.
    My following thought would be that perhaps the geniuses at Apple may get red faced enough to crack and just buy BlackBerry out (forget the bid thing and just slap down a hefty sum to ditract anyone else from entering the game). Perhaps not because they need bb10, but to cover grounds already mentioned by many here.

    Alternately, Google just may do the same in order to trump Apple and really give Apple a blatant thumb to the eye! We could see a tug of war here. Both potential suitors have enough reserves to buy BlackBerry many times over and not even blink an eye.

    Apparently, Apple is the currently the most cash-rich company in the world.
    11-13-13 10:58 PM
  20. fedakd's Avatar
    Nice to see they are doing things on the app front. Great. But we need less talking and more doing from this company. I don't want to read news stories and hear about how Chen is going to be living in California and be escorted back and fourth via BlackBerry's private jet. It's time for some real talk...

    BlackBerry has been under strategic review for a very, very long time now. Since last summer if my dates are correct. New CEO or not, the board and company should have a plan to not only downsize, but refocus their efforts in the niche areas they believe they will be most successful. I hate the bond deal. It's a punch in the face to shareholders and we are incessantly left in the dark (more on this later).

    The company is in a vicious circle (thank you, Media!), one akin to a self-fulfilling prophecy that goes something like this. (1) BlackBerry is burning cash, so it's going to go bankrupt (2) Why would anyone then buy the phones? (3) If the company is likely to go bankrupt AND nobody is going to buy the phones, then it makes no sense to develop native apps for the company. (4) No one is going to buy the phones because there's no apps (5) BlackBerry is going bankrupt because nobody is buying their devices. This is where we are today.

    BlackBerry was correct when they stated they needed a strategic investment from a 'Big Brother', an investment/partner similar to the NOK/MSFT partnership. Their strategic review did not find that for them. We have a forced upon convertible debenture. Anyone do the math on how much this dilutes shareholders above $10?

    125M shares / (524M + 125M) = approximately 19.2% dilution. Anyone see the Barrick Gold MONSTER bond offering for 3 Billion shares? Lots of shareholder dilution there, right? Well, guess what, their offering will dilute existing shareholders 16%, 3.2% better then BBRY! (Thanks, Prem!!!)

    The problem I currently have is two-fold: (1) I do not trust Prem Watsa. I believe he is deceitful and was not truthful when he spoke with the media concerning his "bid" for BlackBerry. (2) I do not agree with their stategy and so I await to hear from Chen before I decide what to do with my investment. There should be no more excuses. 18 months is long enough for a strategic review. Let's hear from the company on what they think they need to do to be successful.

    /rant and GL BBRY.
    11-13-13 11:00 PM
  21. morganplus8's Avatar
    .. and while I am on a link stint:

    Here's Where Teens Are Going Instead Of Facebook

    Here's Where Teens Are Going Instead Of Facebook - Forbes

    Hey Morgan,
    Time to short Facebook (and probably Twitter) in leiu of this Social media app(??)

    Hmm, where does BBM fit here....
    I still haven't found my entry point to short FB! Flickr and Vine are really hot right now, BBM-X is not really going to appeal to that crowd, but when they head out into the working world, BBM-X will be there to offer them much more content. BBM-X needs to take share from Skype as a good start and then build on their BB Channels to attract Enterprise and the mature set. That's where the money is act, the 20 - 44 age group, they look at everything and spend like crazy online. FB has to acquire more assets to stay relevant.
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    11-14-13 12:01 AM
  22. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    but we definitely don't want them running on non-Android phones[/I]. If BB goes through with this they are trampling all over their developer relationships.
    Can you elaborate about this ? I'm even more lost.
    Is that some kind of embargo or revenge or just for the principle ?
    If this feeling is strong enough, I believe 2-3 lines of code will prevent an app to run/install for a given environment or platform.
    Please elaborate, as I feel it today as something pointed against BlackBerry, not IP related.
    My English may have distorted your thoughts ?

    edit: this has been clarified OK bellow.
    Last edited by Superfly_FR; 11-14-13 at 11:09 AM.
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    11-14-13 02:12 AM
  23. cgk's Avatar
    Can you elaborate about this ? I'm even more lost.
    Is that some kind of embargo or revenge or just for the principle ?
    If this feeling is strong enough, I believe 2-3 lines of code will prevent an app to run/install for a given environment or platform.
    Please elaborate, as I feel it today as something pointed against BlackBerry, not IP related.
    My English may have distorted your thoughts ?

    Surely it is pretty clear? It is pretty sad that you guys are trying to paint a developer as a bad guy because he wants to control how his IPR is used.
    11-14-13 03:31 AM
  24. yohanip's Avatar
    Surely it is pretty clear? It is pretty sad that you guys are trying to paint a developer as a bad guy because he wants to control how his IPR is used.
    I am missing something, does IPR cover the creation or the distribution? if i create something for droid, then as a developer, i'm thinking about the code and compile it for the droid environment, i'm not thinking of compiling it for smsung, hti, bb, opxo, etc.. they are just brands which provide "run-times" for my code to work.. unless i have 'something' against particular brand.. i don't want it to run there..
    Last edited by yohanip; 11-14-13 at 04:04 AM. Reason: adding the quote
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    11-14-13 04:03 AM
  25. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    Surely it is pretty clear? It is pretty sad that you guys are trying to paint a developer as a bad guy because he wants to control how his IPR is used.
    By no mean my intention. I do care about IPR.

    edit : I do understand - and liked - another point which is related to support requests on devices that have not been tested by the studio. This can lead to extra charge and a bad perception of the app while it shouldn't exist. Therefore my suggestion of a "2-3 lines of code" to block unwanted usage.
    Last edited by Superfly_FR; 11-14-13 at 08:54 AM. Reason: damm witch/which ... My "spiller syndrome" ! lol
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    11-14-13 04:32 AM
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