View Poll Results: Did you buy shares ?

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  • Yes, I'm acting now !

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  1. silversun10's Avatar
    More importantly, BB10 devices finally start to take off, selling 2.3 million of the 5.9 million units taken up by end users, almost 4 times the number sold to end users in Q1.

    This might explain the sharp rise in BlackBerry usage data reported on StatCounter mentioned earlier.
    09-21-13 08:44 AM
  2. Gesig Boek's Avatar
    More importantly, BB10 devices finally start to take off, selling 2.3 million of the 5.9 million units taken up by end users, almost 4 times the number sold to end users in Q1.

    This might explain the sharp rise in BlackBerry usage data reported on StatCounter mentioned earlier.
    LOL at statcounter. Blair is mis-reading the data. I dont think there is a specific relationship between the 5.9 million sell through and the 3.7 million shipped BB7 handsets.We do not know what channel inventory was like going into the quarter in any detail, and what it was at the end of the quarter.
    09-21-13 08:54 AM
  3. bungaboy's Avatar
    Who's leaking . . . . . ? Who's cheating . . . . . . ?

    JPMorgan Chase: "Incredibly Guilty"

    Huffington Post

    September-20-13 11:41 PM GMT

    An outside observer might be forgiven for thinking JPMorgan Chase isn't so much a bank as it is a criminal enterprise with a bank attached to it. Even before the London Whale scandal, Chase's documented list of crimes included repeated fraud, perjury, forgery, bribery, and violations of laws against trading with Iran and Syria.

    It also shot a man in Reno just to watch him die.

    Okay, that last statement isn't true. But the rest of the crimes on that list, and a number of others, are well-documented. And yet, remarkably, not a single senior executive at the bank has been indicted - or, to our knowledge, even been the subject of a criminal investigation. The bank just agreed to pay nearly a billion dollars in fines over the "Whale" case. And the SEC finally ending its practice of allowing criminal banks to "neither admit nor deny wrongdoing" when paying for their misdeeds. Chase admitted its guilt as part of the settlement.

    In an even more dramatic break with recent practice, the Justice Department is pursuing criminal prosecutions in this case. But it's not clear that the indictments against two low-level employees will even lead to a trial.

    We have written extensively about JPMorgan Chase's crime spree, but we have tried to be scrupulous about avoiding assumptions of guilt or innocence on the part of the bank's senior management. And in all fairness, the bank's leaders may not be involved in any criminal activity. They may simply be incompetent managers, incapable of ending criminal and reckless behavior among the employees for whom they are responsible. In that case the Board should step in and relieve them of a burden they're clearly incapable of carrying.

    But fair is fair: At least theoretically, Chase's executives may be trying to run an honest bank. And Tony Soprano may just be running a waste management company. But our outside observer would also be forgiven for concluding that crime is part of Chase's business model.

    Sound harsh? A report on JPM's lack of proper risk management controls, appropriately entitled "Out of Control," documented a list of crimes which, as David Dayen noted, "reads like a rap sheet." Dayen helpfully summarized the offenses documented in the report, and you're encouraged to read his list in full. Even this heavily abridged version will have you wondering why the police dispatcher hasn't sent officers to the scene:

    "Bank Secrecy Act violations; money laundering for drug cartels; violations of sanction orders against Cuba, Iran, Sudan, and former Liberian strongman Charles Taylor; executing fictitious trades where the customer ... was on both sides of the deal; misrepresentations of CDOs and mortgage-backed securities; violations of the Servicemembers Civil Relief Act; fraudulent sale of unregistered securities; auto-finance deceptions; violations of state and federal ERISA laws; filing of unverified affidavits for credit card debt collections; energy market manipulation that triggered FERC lawsuits; "artificial market making" at Japanese affiliates; shifting trading losses on a currency trade to a customer account; fraudulent sales of derivatives to the city of Milan, Italy; and obstruction of justice (including refusing the release of documents in the Bernie Madoff case).""1-Adam 12. There are 487's and other violations in progress at 270 Park Avenue ..."

    And the list excerpt above is by no means complete. It leaves out Chase's central role in bribing officials in Jefferson County, Alabama to rig municipal bonds, and overlooks the "Burger King kids" - college-age youngsters hired by the bank to mass-generate foreclosure filings (so named by fellow bank employees because of their propensity for eating take-out fast food while generating the court documents they reportedly falsified).

    JPMorgan Chase was one of five banks which agreed to pay billions in fines to settle charges stemming from massive and systematic foreclosure fraud.

    Twenty-four states have enacted some version of the "three strikes" rule, which requires a jail sentence for anyone convicted of a third felony. And yet, as this chart shows, JPMorgan Chase has committed a total of four violations on one count alone, "Purposeful or negligent fraud in interstate commerce," which violates section 17(a) of the Securities Act of 1933.

    Connecticut's Office of Legal Research clearly summarizes the penalties which individual bankers may face for violating the Securities Act and its companion legislation, the Securities Exchange Act of 1934:

    "Corporate directors, officers, and others who violate these laws are subject to criminal penalties, administrative fines, civil penalties, cease and desist orders, injunctions, disgorgement (an equitable remedy to provide restitution to defrauded members of the public), private lawsuits, and orders barring them from acting as officers or directors of public companies."Pop quiz: How many senior executives at JPMorgan Chase have faced criminal prosecution for the bank's serial crimes? How many have been personally fined, served with cease and desist orders, or been barred from acting as officers and directors of public companies?

    You already know the answer: Zero.

    Instead, bank executives have been allowed to "settle" these crimes by paying large fines with other people's money - specifically, shareholders who may have been deceived in the bank's latest "London Whale" case. It's almost as if the bank's senior executives lead charmed lives - or have very well-placed friends.

    Even as the "Whale" legal crisis was exploding, Chase CEO Jamie Dimon appeared at the Davos financial "summit" sporting FBI cufflinks. Was he trying to tell the world something?

    Now the government's issued "Whale" arrest warrants for two relatively low-level Chase bankers. That's encouraging, especially after so many years of inaction - but their choice of targets is not. Both indicted bankers are foreign nationals who may or may not be extradited under current agreements.

    Yves Smith has an excellent overview of the state of play in the Whale investigation. The bottom line is this: Of all the targets the government might have pursued, these two bankers are among the hardest to locate and "turn" into witnesses against more highly-placed executives.

    And it's far from clear there will be a government appetite for doing that. JPMorgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon is a major contributor to political campaigns. Senior bankers were Attorney General Eric Holder's primary clients in his lucrative private law career. The same is true for SEC head Mary Jo White.

    Good for them for finally taking more aggressive action. But the burden of proof is still on them, and especially Holder, to demonstrate that they will pursue bank crimes aggressively. That means picking cases and targets that can be brought to justice, and finding witnesses who can be persuaded to testify in return for leniency. It's hard to believe that there aren't more cases like that to be found in JPMorgan Chase's rich vein of lawbreaking.

    Fairness demands that we say it again: It may very well be that leadership team at JPMorgan Chase is shocked - shocked! - at all this criminality, and may simply lack the basic managerial skills needed to end it. But we can't help thinking of the line from Mel Brooks' The Producers, when the jury foreman is asked to read the verdict against Zero Mostel and Gene Wilder. "We find the defendants incredibly guilty," intones the foreman.

    JPMorgan Chase's crimes cry out for a jury like that.
    09-21-13 08:55 AM
  4. cgk's Avatar
    LOL at statcounter. Blair is mis-reading the data. I dont think there is a specific relationship between the 5.9 million sell through and the 3.7 million shipped BB7 handsets.We do not know what channel inventory was like going into the quarter in any detail, and what it was at the end of the quarter.
    Blair has lost connection with reality he seems to be taking the position that statcounter and his analysis must be right even when blackberry explicitly states that he is wrong.


    As for the question of "Who's leaking"?

    Well they have just laid off half their workforce, the leaks are going to come thick and fast now...
    notfanboy likes this.
    09-21-13 08:57 AM
  5. 1stTry's Avatar
    Customers did as they were told:

    KEEP MOVING!

    ... away from BB.

    Hopefully BBRY will find a buyer who can restore trust and strategy.
    09-21-13 09:04 AM
  6. notfanboy's Avatar
    I thought yesterday's news would put an end to the use of StatCounter as a gauge of sales forever. Inexplicably some still cling to it.
    kfh227 likes this.
    09-21-13 09:04 AM
  7. leafs123's Avatar
    Watch this...the S&P IQ guy is spot on.

    Zena Olijnyk
    09-21-13 09:05 AM
  8. peter9477's Avatar
    Ima just sit back and let the haters post for a bit, maybe get it out of their systems.

    Fire away boys...

    Posted via CB10
    09-21-13 09:11 AM
  9. m1a1mg's Avatar
    There are currently 57 different versions of BBM in the Play Store. I can't figure out which is the real one.
    Bacon Munchers likes this.
    09-21-13 09:22 AM
  10. leafs123's Avatar
    There are currently 57 different versions of BBM in the Play Store. I can't figure out which is the real one.
    None, they're all fake. Not on yet. You'll know the one that says BlackBerry Ltd.
    bungaboy and m1a1mg like this.
    09-21-13 09:30 AM
  11. emtunc's Avatar
    The real one should show on this page @ https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...mited&hl=en_GB
    09-21-13 09:32 AM
  12. leafs123's Avatar
    Hate to say it guys but I have lost some faith as a consumer as well. Love my device but basically giving up on consumer devices yesterday, spells an end for any apps making their way to the ecosystem. Only thing we gonna get is updates from BB. Even the "prosumer" base will need to have apps and where are those coming from?
    kfh227, Reed Richards and rodan01 like this.
    09-21-13 09:33 AM
  13. notfanboy's Avatar
    None, they're all fake. Not on yet.
    They don't pretend to be BBM, just read the descriptions. The one app that tried to pass itself off as BBM promptly got deleted.
    09-21-13 09:34 AM
  14. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    After yesterday's early announcement, I wonder if the person(s) leaking to the WSJ didn't force BBRY's hand.

    In the case of a leak, the WSJ could have reached out to the company for comment before running the story of poor earning etc. in that instance, BBRY would have been forced to act rather than have a huge question mark out there for a week.
    Bacon Munchers likes this.
    09-21-13 09:35 AM
  15. jimmychen17's Avatar
    Massive failure, can't even deliver software on time.
    09-21-13 09:36 AM
  16. sidhuk's Avatar
    Morning guys, yesterday is yesterday, today is brand new day. Win some loose some. Life goes on. Keeping all what i have and havnt sold any. Haters gonna hate no matter what, they would have hated even more if it was a good news, so stop feeding the hate and trust in the ignore button. Have a great day.
    09-21-13 09:36 AM
  17. bungaboy's Avatar
    Massive failure, can't even deliver software on time.
    Yes. Shame on Google Play.

    It is rolling out on schedule for IOS starting in New Zealand now Australia.

    Jimmy . . . . . come back when you mature a little.
    09-21-13 09:41 AM
  18. abouthsu's Avatar
    Well surprise surprise BBM for Android is late today. Their PR is an absolute nightmare at the moment. So frustrating.
    Negative articles popping up for that already. Seems like every time they try to do something good, things happens. Speechless.
    09-21-13 09:43 AM
  19. FocusedBerry's Avatar
    I still love my Q10 and still feel its superior than iphone and android in every way. I think ill just trade this stock if I can buy back in lower to make my money back. I had a gut feeling this whole time sales were not good. Should always listen to myself.

    Posted via CB10
    09-21-13 09:43 AM
  20. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    Just a minor commentary to those who were called trolls or worse:

    I recall AFTER the June ER where new voices spoke up to urge caution, we were shouted down because we didn't comment pre-ER.

    Many of the dissenters or what I'd like to call the more objective lot stuck around to toss out contrary ideas & were vilified... But we were proven correct in spades; only the most cynical could have forecasted this kind of release. I don't think any of us were THAT cynical.

    My options trade pays off anything above $9/ share going into 9/27 so yesterday's news caught me a bit by surprise. I did however manage the risk, those Jan 2014 5 puts I mentioned last week came in quite handy in case of a disaster... They moved from .07 to .20 (185%), so I'm ultimately flat from a p/l perspective though opportunity wise I'm annoyed.

    I feel for those who sold at a loss & worse for those w/ large paper losses.

    For those still long, a potential way to manage the risk of your position could be selling calls, perhaps $12 calls to generate income against paper losses. I chose $12 because it represents a 37% increase from Friday closing price & in the unlikely event of a buyout, would probably be the ceiling based on the NOK/MSFT deal; however unlikely that May seem now.
    notfanboy likes this.
    09-21-13 09:50 AM
  21. kfh227's Avatar
    Hate to say it guys but I have lost some faith as a consumer as well. Love my device but basically giving up on consumer devices yesterday, spells an end for any apps making their way to the ecosystem. Only thing we gonna get is updates from BB. Even the "prosumer" base will need to have apps and where are those coming from?
    The end of going after the consumer is just the end. No more apps. I hope BBRY is working on an Android based phone internally. It's not a bad idea.
    09-21-13 09:50 AM
  22. cjcampbell's Avatar
    They don't pretend to be BBM, just read the descriptions. The one app that tried to pass itself off as BBM promptly got deleted.
    I've been on and seen many from a dev calling himself BlackBerry Inc. He's cut and paste the description from legacy BBM on BB World.

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...ma343&hl=en_GB
    bungaboy and morganplus8 like this.
    09-21-13 09:50 AM
  23. leafs123's Avatar
    Massive failure, can't even deliver software on time.
    C'mon dude, how is it they can control this? Smh, keep beating something when it's down. Already on iOS.
    09-21-13 09:51 AM
  24. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Just a minor commentary to those who were called trolls or worse:

    I recall AFTER the June ER where new voices spoke up to urge caution, we were shouted down because we didn't comment pre-ER.

    Many of the dissenters or what I'd like to call the more objective lot stuck around to toss out contrary ideas & were vilified... But we were proven correct in spades; only the most cynical could have forecasted this kind of release. I don't think any of us were THAT cynical.

    My options trade pays off anything above $9/ share going into 9/27 so yesterday's news caught me a bit by surprise. I did however manage the risk, those Jan 2014 5 puts I mentioned last week came in quite handy in case of a disaster... They moved from .07 to .20 (185%), so I'm ultimately flat from a p/l perspective though opportunity wise I'm annoyed.

    I feel for those who sold at a loss & worse for those w/ large paper losses.

    For those still long, a potential way to manage the risk of your position could be selling calls, perhaps $12 calls to generate income against paper losses. I chose $12 because it represents a 37% increase from Friday closing price & in the unlikely event of a buyout, would probably be the ceiling based on the NOK/MSFT deal; however unlikely that May seem now.
    Just to add my two cents.... those who were and are called trolls are done so for a reason. It's not the message, it's the delivery of the message. I had one poster, who I will not mention his name, on my ignore list, who I said the same thing to and he changed his posting style, yet not his message, and has been received much much better. He is no longer on ignore and I actually look forward to seeing what he has to say now, I may not agree with it but I am no longer offended by it
    09-21-13 09:53 AM
  25. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    I think the ignore button is generally a good thing w/ the exception of investments.

    It may help avoid some of the rubbish that gets thrown around but those with long ignore lists are probably feeling the worst of it.

    Don't believe in the ignore button for this thread would be my takeaway from yesterday's news.
    09-21-13 09:54 AM
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