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  1. cgk's Avatar
    Crackberry itself now seems to be moving to the position that BB10 handset sales have stalled and they are saying the Q10 dismal sales story is likely true:

    Wall Street Journal digging reveals very weak Q10 demand | CrackBerry.com


    I've noticed over the last few weeks the tone of the stories have changed but I think that's the most "the game is up" article I've seen here.
    lcjr likes this.
    08-29-13 04:09 PM
  2. cjcampbell's Avatar
    It's interesting how there are a lot of anonymous people coming forward as of late to talk about how they aren't going to upgrade or sales suck or whatever. Always a "trusted" source but can't give a name.
    08-29-13 04:11 PM
  3. cjcampbell's Avatar
    This is how I feel after the latest onslaught of news.....

    lcjr, silversun10, sidhuk and 6 others like this.
    08-29-13 04:13 PM
  4. ibpluto's Avatar
    per Bloomberg News, Morgan Stanley is said to hold off on Blackberry 10 upgrade:

    "By Hugo Miller and Michael J. Moore
    Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Morgan Stanley is holding off on upgrading its employees to BlackBerry Ltd.’s newest smartphones and operating system because of concerns that the Canadian company may not back its platform long-term, according to two people with knowledge of the bank’s plans.
    Morgan Stanley would normally have a firm timeline for an upgrade by now, more than five months after the new phones were introduced, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the bank’s deliberations are private. The bank has chosen instead to keep using earlier models such as BlackBerry 7 devices, introduced in 2011, because it wants assurance of support for BlackBerry 10 now that the smartphone maker is considering strategic changes, the people said.
    A BlackBerry board committee began exploring a sale of the company this month while also weighing partnerships to rescue it from a three-year sales slide that has slashed its market value by about 90 percent. That announcement spurred speculation that other corporate customers across industries will hold off moving up to BlackBerry 10, torpedoing an effort by Chief Executive Officer Thorsten Heins to spark a sales rally with a wave of corporate upgrades.
    Competitors such as Apple Inc., Google Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. stand to benefit if customers switch away from BlackBerry.
    Another large U.S. bank, with more than 100,000 employees, has started a three-month pilot program for 100 employees using BlackBerry 10, which will give it more time to decide whether to upgrade as it monitors the company’s performance, a person with knowledge of that bank’s strategy said.
    Morgan Stanley, which owns the world’s largest brokerage, has about 55,600 employees. Mark Lake, a spokesman for Morgan Stanley in New York, declined to comment.
    Adam Emery, a spokesman for BlackBerry, said he couldn’t comment on Morgan Stanley’s plans.
    “We remain steadfast in our commitment to our customers and shareholders,” Emery said. “We believe in our innovative technologies and we are laser-focused on delivering long-term value.”
    BB needs to send in their people to either provide assurances if there is ano substance behind the concerns.

    Starting to get tough to hang in ....too much doom and gloom.
    08-29-13 04:14 PM
  5. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    BB needs to send in their people to either provide assurances if there is ano substance behind the concerns.

    Starting to get tough to hang in ....too much doom and gloom.
    This is the primary issue that the company is facing; the stock rallies on possible sale news which helps some, but freaks out companies who would otherwise jump in with both feet. MS has 55,610 employees, that would have been a great win to flog. A top tier investment bank, what the heck!

    TH should be pounding the table on trying to close an existing client.
    Shanerredflag likes this.
    08-29-13 04:18 PM
  6. cgk's Avatar
    This is the primary issue that the company is facing; the stock rallies on possible sale news which helps some, but freaks out companies who would otherwise jump in with both feet. MS has 55,610 employees, that would have been a great win to flog. A top tier investment bank, what the heck!

    TH should be pounding the table on trying to close an existing client.

    I had a brainfreeze for a minute - I thought you'd lost your mind - no way will Microsoft starting using BB10 devices! He's gone mad!
    08-29-13 04:22 PM
  7. silversun10's Avatar
    But you'll notice that BBRY crashed much harder following the June highpoint.

    Flew higher, fell further.
    like a high beta stock would, or in other words par for the course
    08-29-13 04:24 PM
  8. Bugmapper's Avatar
    Hmm.... Morgan Stanley obviously has an ulterior motive in not upgrading to BB10.
    08-29-13 04:26 PM
  9. silversun10's Avatar
    per Bloomberg News, Morgan Stanley is said to hold off on Blackberry 10 upgrade:

    "By Hugo Miller and Michael J. Moore
    Aug. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Morgan Stanley is holding off on upgrading its employees to BlackBerry Ltd.’s newest smartphones and operating system because of concerns that the Canadian company may not back its platform long-term, according to two people with knowledge of the bank’s plans.
    Morgan Stanley would normally have a firm timeline for an upgrade by now, more than five months after the new phones were introduced, said one of the people, who asked not to be identified because the bank’s deliberations are private. The bank has chosen instead to keep using earlier models such as BlackBerry 7 devices, introduced in 2011, because it wants assurance of support for BlackBerry 10 now that the smartphone maker is considering strategic changes, the people said.
    A BlackBerry board committee began exploring a sale of the company this month while also weighing partnerships to rescue it from a three-year sales slide that has slashed its market value by about 90 percent. That announcement spurred speculation that other corporate customers across industries will hold off moving up to BlackBerry 10, torpedoing an effort by Chief Executive Officer Thorsten Heins to spark a sales rally with a wave of corporate upgrades.
    Competitors such as Apple Inc., Google Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. stand to benefit if customers switch away from BlackBerry.
    Another large U.S. bank, with more than 100,000 employees, has started a three-month pilot program for 100 employees using BlackBerry 10, which will give it more time to decide whether to upgrade as it monitors the company’s performance, a person with knowledge of that bank’s strategy said.
    Morgan Stanley, which owns the world’s largest brokerage, has about 55,600 employees. Mark Lake, a spokesman for Morgan Stanley in New York, declined to comment.
    Adam Emery, a spokesman for BlackBerry, said he couldn’t comment on Morgan Stanley’s plans.
    “We remain steadfast in our commitment to our customers and shareholders,” Emery said. “We believe in our innovative technologies and we are laser-focused on delivering long-term value.”
    you would expect somebody clueless to say that
    08-29-13 04:29 PM
  10. cgk's Avatar
    Hmm.... Morgan Stanley obviously has an ulterior motive in not upgrading to BB10.
    They are waiting to pick them up in a firesale?
    08-29-13 04:30 PM
  11. silversun10's Avatar
    BB needs to send in their people to either provide assurances if there is ano substance behind the concerns.

    Starting to get tough to hang in ....too much doom and gloom.
    Morgan Stanley knows better than that, games people play.
    bungaboy likes this.
    08-29-13 04:31 PM
  12. silversun10's Avatar
    They are waiting to pick them up in a firesale?
    or one of their clients.
    bungaboy and BergerKing like this.
    08-29-13 04:32 PM
  13. Bugmapper's Avatar
    They are waiting to pick them up in a firesale?
    They have been paid to go elsewhere, or they are short the stock.

    Hold off their upgrades until after the next ER?
    Last edited by Bugmapper; 08-29-13 at 04:48 PM.
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    08-29-13 04:32 PM
  14. Bugmapper's Avatar
    If you want to take a big drink of Koolaid and re-read the article....

    It looks like two US financial firms, one with 50,000+ and one with 100,000+ employees are considering or are just about ready to implement BES10 with BB10 devices.

    08-29-13 04:35 PM
  15. lcjr's Avatar
    BB needs to send in their people to either provide assurances if there is ano substance behind the concerns.

    Starting to get tough to hang in ....too much doom and gloom.
    Man, you don't know how many supporters are starting to feel that way. You're not alone there. Hopefully we hear something official, either positive or negative, so we can make a rational and well thought out plan as share holders.
    08-29-13 04:37 PM
  16. silversun10's Avatar
    "Competitors such as Apple Inc., Google Inc. and Samsung Electronics Co. stand to benefit if customers switch away from BlackBerry."

    they get to split the 3% BB marketshare between the three of them; guys don't spend it all in one place
    bungaboy and morganplus8 like this.
    08-29-13 04:41 PM
  17. JLagoon's Avatar
    8/29/2013; 9 million in volume; closed at $10.25.

    We didn't get the candle confirmation with the low volume action today, but it is not a full-on bearish indication either. The SP seems to be drifting as we approach the Labor day weekend. US stock exchanges will close on September 2 (Monday).

    Bullish interpretation:
    - The SP closed above MA50 ($10.22), and did not create lower low.
    - To keep weekly chart looking bullish, the SP needs to close above $10.32, which is not far away.
    - RSI on all charts are pretty neutral.

    Bearish interpretation:
    - The SP failed to give a confirmation candle.
    - MACD and stoch. RSI on the daily chart appear to be cycling down.
    - No update on buyout, partnership, etc.
    - It closed below the uptrend parallel channel. This parallel channel, except for its top line might not be valid anymore.

    --
    I have not been able to establish any pattern since two days ago. Nevertheless, the SP seems to be consolidating for the past 9 trading days.

    30 minute:
    The BBRY Café.  [Formerly: I support BBRY and I buy shares]-screen-shot-2013-08-29-4.21.31-pm.jpg

    Daily:
    The BBRY Café.  [Formerly: I support BBRY and I buy shares]-screen-shot-2013-08-29-4.13.02-pm.jpg

    Weekly:
    The BBRY Café.  [Formerly: I support BBRY and I buy shares]-screen-shot-2013-08-29-4.19.39-pm.jpg
    08-29-13 04:41 PM
  18. greyw0lf01's Avatar
    If you want to take a big drink of Koolaid and re-read the article....

    It looks like two US financial firms, one with 50,000+ and one with 100,000+ employees are considering or are just about ready to implement BES10 with BB10 devices.

    I don't think its a big drink... if BBRY's mgmt got their act together this would be an easy close. I recall hearing "sell like hell" from some senior person.
    08-29-13 04:59 PM
  19. sergey_IL's Avatar
    Time for Statcounter update before i head out to the gym.
    StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share USA

    StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share SA

    StatCounter Global Stats - Browser, OS, Search Engine including Mobile Market Share (world wide 4%) I am happy with 5%. lol 4 is not too shabby so for. I know they need to upgrade their system to stop seeing BB10 browser as chrome
    Can you please clarify: BB10 browser identified as Chrome.
    Thank you.
    08-29-13 05:02 PM
  20. carbon fibre's Avatar
    They have been paid to go elsewhere, or they are short the stock.

    Hold off their upgrades until after the next ER?
    Any evidence to support this paranoid 'they are all against BBRY' viewpoint (complete with secret payments...)?

    There are more straightforward reasons to be reluctant to make a large commitment to BB10 at this time.
    08-29-13 05:18 PM
  21. sidhuk's Avatar
    Can you please clarify: BB10 browser identified as Chrome.
    Thank you.
    Sorry, it suppose to be Mozilla 5.0. Instead. I am out and about. Could digup more but here is some info that may lead to your question under device detection. This is also an interesting read for others who may wanna know how powerful bb10 browser is Thanks for asking. And correct me if I am wrong please?

    http://www.mobilexweb.com/blog/black...obile-platform

    Breaking the Mobile Web

    The new BlackBerry Z10 is on sale around the world with a whole new operating system and browser. In this post Ill go through the important information for web and app developers about one of the most powerful HTML5 platforms available today.


    As a BlackBerry Elite developer, I had the opportunity of receiving one of the first public BlackBerry Z10 devices in BBJam Europe in last February. Publishing the second edition of my book Programming the Mobile made me push this post until now. The good news is that if you are a web or an app developer, BB10 is a truly HTML5 first class platform through its completely rewritten web browser and the native web developer platform WebWorks.

    First: The platform has nothing to do with previous BlackBerry devices; everything you know about BlackBerry has to be updated. Even the browser doesnt identify itself as a BlackBerry (more on this later).

    In this post, Ill go through the following topics:

    New devices: BlackBerry Z10 and Q10
    The browser and the native web app platform
    Device detection
    HTML5 support
    WebWorks
    New devices

    The first device already available on some markets is the BlackBerry Z10, a full touch device that is the first huge evolution in BlackBerry: no physical keyboard. The second change is the operating system: BB10 is based on QNX and its a completely new operating system.

    The Z10 includes a multi touch screen with a 1280768 pixels resolution, touch gestures everywhere and typical modern sensors: accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer, lightning and proximity. Ive made my entire test using a final Z10 device (the developer edition).

    The second device -the BlackBerry Q10- was announced. It will be a device with a QWERTY physical keyboard and a square screen of 720720 pixels. An experimental Alpha Device C is already available to developers emulating the Q10 factor. Thats the other device Ive used for this post.

    If you want to try test your web and apps without a device, BlackBerry offers a free virtual machine that includes the full browsers inside the Z10 and the Q10 (beta). You can download the emulators for free.

    The Browser and the native web app platform

    The default browser on the BlackBerry 10 platform is a completely new app mostly created form scratch based on the WebKit engine. One of the key features of the browser is that is an HTML5 application. Again, the browser was completely written in HTML5 using HTML, CSS and JavaScript and wrapped as a native app.

    The BB10 browser is one of the most advanced default preinstalled browsers on the mobile space, because of its performance and HTML5 compatibility. Its the first default browser passing the Ringmark Level 1 test. And it even supports half of the Level 2 requirements.

    BlackBerry also has brought HTML5 to the front through its native web app platform known as WebWorks. With WebWorks we can package and compile an HTML5 app and distribute it through the store AppWorld. On a WebWorks app we can take advantage of more advanced native-like API to get access and interact with the operating system.

    If you create native apps with the Cascades framework (based on Qt) you can also use a Web View to create a hybrid app.

    Device detection

    Im not suggesting that we should use device detection. However, its important to understand how the browser identifies itself and how can we detect it for some specific situations.

    The user agent on the Z10 looks like

    Mozilla/5.0 (BB10; Touch) AppleWebKit/537.10+ (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/10.0.9.2372 Mobile Safari/537.10+
    Where is the BlackBerry word? Nowhere. The browsers developers were forced to remove the BlackBerry keyword from the user agent because lots of websites -mostly from non-updated old CMSs and mobilizers- were just delivering a crappy website or even a WML website when a device identifies itself as BlackBerry.

    Trying to start from scratch they use just the keyword BB10 to identify the platform. Unfortunately BlackBerry seems to be following Mozillas idea of not identifying the device model in the user agent.

    Client-side detection can be done looking for the word Research in Motion, Ltd. in navigator.platform (even when the company is not called RIM anymore). We can detect the Q10 form factor (square screen) using media queries:
    @media (device-aspect-ratio: 1/1) {
    /* It's the BlackBerry Q10 */
    }

    HTML5 support

    The BlackBerry 10 browser supports a big list of APIs as we can see in the updated Mobile HTML5 table. It has one of the highest scores in HTML5Test.com (485 points) and lot of un-prefixed CSS abilities, including some features that are still prefixed on other WebKit-based browsers. Besides typical modern HTML5, CSS and JavaScript support on other mobile platforms, BlackBerry 10 Browser includes:

    FullScreen API
    WebGL
    Media and Stream API (also known as getUserMedia) for live camera access (see image below)
    IndexedDB
    Web Notifications API (partially)
    FileSystem and File API
    W3C Touch events
    HTML5 Form input controls (even type=color)
    HTML Media Capture
    Network Information API (latest version, different from Android Browser implementation)
    Vibration API
    Animation Timing API
    Touch icon support through apple-touch-icon link element (150150 pixels)
    Battery Status API
    Performance Timing API
    WebRTC preliminary support
    Non-standard Extensions, such as text-overflow: -blackberry-fade

    BlackBerry 10 Browser supports the ability to read users camera on a website (image from Programming the Mobile Web book)
    Background execution

    When the browsers get minimized, every website freezes so our JavaScript code wont be executing. When the tab is being minimized and the user continues with the browser in foreground, our website continues execution but timer frequencies lower to 1 second. Remember for performance purposes we can use the Page Visibility API and the Animation Timing API. While in a background tab our page can also deliver web notifications (see bug consideration later in this post).

    Home Screen

    The BB10 Browser supports the apple-touch-icon link element as the icon to use when users add a site to the Home Screen but it seems to ignore the sizes attribute. Standard BB10 icons are 150150 pixels and PNG is recommended.

    <link rel="apple-touch-icon" href="icon150.png">
    While the browser is not working full-screen (no support for webapp meta tag) the navigator.standalone boolean value is exposed so it might be possible that a full screen webapp mechanism through a meta tag will be available soon (as in Safari on iOS, MeeGo and Symbian).

    Responsive Images and Pixel density

    BlackBerry Z10 exposes a device pixel ratio of 2.2437500953674316 and BlackBerry Q10 a value of 2.075000047683716. Therefore BB10 remembers us how important is to query about pixel ratio ranges and not integer values. Lot of websites are just querying about pixel ratio=2 because iOS high-resolution devices are using that value.

    If you are using media queries to provide high resolution versions of your bitmap images, you can use for BB10
    @media (-webkit-min-device-aspect-ratio: 2) {
    /* It includes any device with a pixel ratio >= 2 */
    }

    Viewport and pixel density

    When using the viewport meta tag with width=device-width, BB10 will expose a 320px virtual viewport on all devices, maintaining the iOS standard. Its important to understand that the BB Q10 has no landscape orientation (and remember, its a square screen anyway).

    Comparison

    Compared to Google Chrome for Android, the BlackBerry 10 browser supports a more HTML5 APIs. Compared to Safari on iOS 6, it supports more APIs and the only missing API is Web Audio that was included in iOS 6.

    Debugging

    BlackBerry 10 browser includes a full remote web inspector over HTTP (that is, connect your device to the same WiFi network as your desktop computer). Just enable it from the browsers settings menu and you will get the URL to access it from a desktop browser. Just remember that anyone with that URL will be able to see and interact with your current opened sessions.


    Using the developer tools from BlackBerry 10, we can use remote debugging through Wi-Fi
    Bugs

    The Web Notifications API works, we can get users permission and deliver notifications. The device will show the notification on the Browser (red star) but there is no way to see the notifications content or to understand which tab has generated the notification. The Web Notifications dont appear to communicate with the Hub (the app that manages system notification on BB10).

    CSS Regions spec seems to be there in the DOM, but I couldnt make it work so I believe its a bug.

    Im quite confident that BlackBerry will solve these bugs in a future OS update.

    WebWorks

    Using WebWorks to compile the app as native webapp, we have access to all the HTML5 APIs plus a series of platform specific APIs, as:

    BlackBerry Messenger
    Invoke
    In-app Payments
    Phone and Calls
    PIM
    Push
    User Interface specifics, such as Toast notifications and Cover customization (update the snapshot when the app is minimized)
    Once compiled and signed, you can distribute and sell your HTML5 WebWorks app on the store (AppWorld). Its great to see a platform supporting first-class HTML5 apps from the ground.

    Wrapping up

    A browser created using web technologies is another great example of what HTML5 can do on todays smartphones.

    BlackBerry 10 Browser is a good example of what developers expect from a good mobile browser: hardware APIs, good performance, easy to use debugging tools, good documentation and a way to create webapps outside of the browser. We will always expect better support but the BlackBerry 10 default browser had an excellent start.

    If you want to know more about every HTML5 API listed in this post, check my last book Programming the Mobile Web, 2nd edition.





    Tags: bb10, blackberry, html5, webworks

    This entry was written by Max Firtman and posted on Monday, March 25th, 2013 at 9:09 pm and is filed under General, New devices and browsers. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.
    08-29-13 06:02 PM
  22. Shanerredflag's Avatar
    Any evidence to support this paranoid 'they are all against BBRY' viewpoint (complete with secret payments...)?

    There are more straightforward reasons to be reluctant to make a large commitment to BB10 at this time.
    Could be as simple as a negotiations shot for a better discount too...not to worried at this point.

    Posted via CB10
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    08-29-13 06:02 PM
  23. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    Some days you want to get rid of stickers. Today's article from Chris/Kevin makes today a day like that.

    OK, I need a full night to put my thoughts together and avoid overheating.

    Nite guys.

    Posted via CB10
    08-29-13 06:15 PM
  24. sidhuk's Avatar
    Some days you want to get rid of stickers. Today's article from Chris/Kevin makes today a day like that.

    OK, I need a full night to put my thoughts together and avoid overheating.

    Nite guys.

    Posted via CB10
    It reminds of this.
    A bus full of ugly people met after an accident; all of them had died. Before entering Heaven, they each got one wish. The first said: "make me beautiful" and it happened! The rest followed with the same wish. When it came to the last person he was laughing. The voice asked him: "why are you laughing? What is your wish?". The last person answered: " make them all ugly again!"

    A$$#%%^^^....they can ruin everything. Lol
    Good night Super Fly.
    08-29-13 06:19 PM
  25. Bugmapper's Avatar
    Some days you want to get rid of stickers. Today's article from Chris/Kevin makes today a day like that.

    OK, I need a full night to put my thoughts together and avoid overheating.

    Nite guys.

    Posted via CB10
    Stickers?

    Posted via CB10 on a Z10 root device!
    silversun10 likes this.
    08-29-13 06:22 PM
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