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  1. Bugmapper's Avatar
    Maybe the DoD is not going to implement balance but lock down the device in work only mode. I believe this is possible but it is a feature you pay the carrier for. Could someone provide the name of this feature?

    I can't see why the DoD would allow personnel to use the device personally. The person could physically damage the phone which is typically a black slab with glass on one side. In addition, if you download port on the personal side doesn't that use DoD 's data plan which means you are using taxpayers' funds for porn?

    Interesting point.... Does anyone know if the balance feature extends to the radio? i.e. can you have one telco for the work half and a different telco for the personal half? Prolly not with one sim card in the phone. Maybe some units could be made with two sim cards? .... hmmm.... just wonderin.
    08-08-13 04:09 PM
  2. m1a1mg's Avatar
    I'm sure it all depends upon your security clearance. Not everyone will have the same freedoms because of their clearance level and their locations. Balance may work when you are at home, but as soon as you walk onto a secure facility the personal 1/2 of your phone may cease to function until you leave again.
    Not that he'll read this, but if it's a phone you can take home, you won't take it into a secure area. Period.

    But, stick your head in the sand at your discretion.
    08-08-13 04:10 PM
  3. sidhuk's Avatar
    I'm sure it all depends upon your security clearance. Not everyone will have the same freedoms because of their clearance level and their locations. Balance may work when you are at home, but as soon as you walk onto a secure facility the personal 1/2 of your phone may cease to function until you leave again.
    and Location based security management is a something which will make blackberry very attractive solution. I not sure why this is not a news yet?
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    08-08-13 04:10 PM
  4. kfh227's Avatar
    I just initiated a short position in Tesla. I find the shares really overvalued. I am a big fan of Tesla and I thing they'll do well, but at twice Fiat's market cap, it just makes no sense. Fiat owns Fiat, Chrysler, Ferrari, Maserati, and many more brands.

    Will be good diversification to my many BBRY shares.

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    You're not alone. I want to buy puts but they are to expensive.

    Tesla has the makings of a stock that is ready to plunge.

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    08-08-13 04:10 PM
  5. Zarpan's Avatar
    Take note of the numbers in the last sentence. Does it mean that BBRY only gets 10%? That would be crazy since they are probably 90%+ of DoD now.

    ......

    The management software should support 100,000 smartphones or tablets in the first year of operation and 300,000 in the third year, or all Defense mobile users, DISA said.
    I'd read that as 100,000 smartphones by mid-2014 (after one calendar year of operation). BlackBerry is supposed to have 30,000 by the end of 2013. It's not known how many they'll have by mid-2014.

    So a minimum of 30%. It would be around 70% (70,000) if the rollout continues at the same pace of 6-7k per month. Obviously higher if the rollout accelerates, although there's no information about what will happen in 2014.
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    08-08-13 04:17 PM
  6. JLagoon's Avatar
    Today is the fourth day of uptrend. Only 8 million in volume (almost 55% less than yesterday), and the stock closed at $9.23. With the action today, it seems that we have an asymmetrical triangle to consider, which indicates a continuation of a trend. This is a mini asymmetrical triangle compared to the several month long that we had from January 2013 to June 2013. As you can recall, it resolved in a break down, primarily, because of ER and panic sell. This time, I don't know what negative catalysts can result in a break down from this triangle; maybe just because tomorrow is Friday? The triangle formation will resolve at around 1 p.m. tomorrow.

    Bullish interpretation:
    We move out of the top resistance line (the pink line that was black on the 30 minute chart), and created a higher low of $9.15 compared to $9.11 from yesterday, and lower high $9.40 vs $9.64. Volume trend is also in a decline. An asymmetrical triangle can be considered for a continuation of this uptrend. Support line for tomorrow to stay within the triangle is $9.19 - $9.22.

    Bearish interpretation:
    Stoch. RSI on the daily chart will cycle down. Weak volume, and tomorrow is Friday.

    30 minute:
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    Daily:
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    08-08-13 04:18 PM
  7. sidhuk's Avatar
    BBRY cannot even manage deviating from 720p for their upcoming phablet. Apparently potential developers were promised this resolution (and 720 square for Qs) to simplify development efforts.

    How in the heck can you jump from this reality to the great bright future where you just plug in your handset and have a usable desktop environment? They couldn't even hang on in the tablet market and believe me, the changes for a keyboard/mouse/large screen environment would make the adaptations they failed to accomplish there look like child's play.
    you really have no idea what you are talking about? I have no desire to do your home work. and for the record this is the last time I am replying to your post. and for the record my comments are certainly not for you.
    http://www.berryreview.com/2013/05/1...t-means-to-us/
    Last edited by sidhuk; 08-08-13 at 04:35 PM.
    08-08-13 04:19 PM
  8. dusdal's Avatar
    It will all depend on how the phone is set up. For example, every computer that is on the DoD network is scanned for non-DoD approved software. Even programs like CCleaner will get you in big trouble.

    Dusdal and blackistheberry, I got HOW Balance works. It's a great idea. But it's not how DoD works. It's not about what you want. It's not about making people happy. It's about a device that does a job that DoD wants you to do.
    Until now, they haven't had the option to both, do the job that DoD wants you to do and make people happy. Not saying that they will use balance as suggested, but the option is now there when it never was before.

    Sticking your head in the sand can go both ways haha, just poking.

    Take99, if I read the BBRY release, it could be up to 30% this year. Not really sure about that.
    Self quote: "The release today suggested up to 30k BlackBerry by end of year. End of year is only 4-5 months away. Leaving 7-8 months to fill in the rest of the 100k for first year."
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    08-08-13 04:21 PM
  9. take99's Avatar
    It will all depend on how the phone is set up. For example, every computer that is on the DoD network is scanned for non-DoD approved software. Even programs like CCleaner will get you in big trouble.

    Dusdal and blackistheberry, I got HOW Balance works. It's a great idea. But it's not how DoD works. It's not about what you want. It's not about making people happy. It's about a device that does a job that DoD wants you to do.

    Take99, if I read the BBRY release, it could be up to 30% this year. Not really sure about that.

    What I've been reading about where the DoD is going with this is a huge change from where they've been. On my last Army installation, the local G6 (Signal guys) and the Network Enterprise Center managed the cell phone contract. Now, they all used Blackberry since that was the choice, but the phones were provided by Sprint and then Verizon. E-mail was managed by the NEC, but this is moving to a national service. Phone calls were still run through the carrier.
    Fair enough but DISAs implemantation also states 'up to' 100 k devices in the first year so the same rules apply therefor 30 percent is reasonable to me, as both numbers are 'up to'.
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    08-08-13 04:26 PM
  10. m1a1mg's Avatar
    Until now, they haven't had the option to both, do the job that DoD wants you to do and make people happy. Not saying that they will use balance as suggested, but the option is now there when it never was before.
    And, as I posted before, I'll be happy to be wrong. Just based on my experience with the DoD, they don't really GAS if you're happy.

    ETA: Put the correct you're in.
    Last edited by m1a1mg; 08-08-13 at 04:45 PM.
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    08-08-13 04:26 PM
  11. m1a1mg's Avatar
    Fair enough but DISAs implemantation also states 'up to' 100 k devices in the first year so the same rules apply therefor 30 percent is reasonable to me, as both numbers are 'up to'.
    Yep. I just got wrapped around the numbers in the BBRY release as compared to the DMI release.
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    08-08-13 04:27 PM
  12. take99's Avatar
    Not that he'll read this, but if it's a phone you can take home, you won't take it into a secure area. Period.

    But, stick your head in the sand at your discretion.
    I would tend to agree with you on this except I do recall reading a few times that the ultimate goal will be byod in the future but probably only for low security level stuff, just guessing of course.
    08-08-13 04:29 PM
  13. m1a1mg's Avatar
    I would tend to agree with you on this except I do recall reading a few times that the ultimate goal will be byod in the future but probably only for low security level stuff, just guessing of course.
    I've asked that question before and been given a resounding no. If the networking folks get their way, I can't see the DoD as a whole going that way. However, the Army has more stringent measures in some instances than the other branches.

    For example, in ~2007/8, the DoD outlawed USB drives. Period. All of the branches, except the Army, have allowed them again in some way.
    08-08-13 04:34 PM
  14. m1a1mg's Avatar
    Found this from the DoD CIO: http://www.defense.gov/news/dodcMdim...tationplan.pdf

    Page 16, para 6.3.2 on page 15 particularly specifies that DoD will not go to BYOD at the current time.
    08-08-13 04:42 PM
  15. shadowy banger from a shadowy duplex's Avatar
    you really have no idea what you are talking about? I have no desire to do your home work. and for the record this is the last time I am replying to your post. and for the record my comments are certainly not for you.
    Wireless HDMI and What It Means to Us - BerryReview
    "The screen size for the BlackBerry Z10 smartphone (the first BlackBerry 10 touch device) is 768 x 1280 pixels. However, future BlackBerry smartphones will have the following screen sizes:

    All-touch smartphones: 720 x 1280 pixels (16:9 aspect ratio)
    Smartphones with a physical keyboard: 720 x 720 pixels (1:1 aspect ratio)"


    Designing for different screen sizes - BlackBerry Developer

    You were saying?
    08-08-13 04:43 PM
  16. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Of course Balance has relevance. I think it will be great for non-DOD enterprise. That said, DoD tests all kinds of things that they never use. Heck, they spend billions on things that they never buy. Comanche anyone? I can't imagine Balance would be that big a deal for them. You did note the remarks from GEN Dempsey* about the apps.

    The only reason I noted the numbers was that the BBRY release was exactly 10% of the total. I thought that was strange. Sorry if I didn't explain that well.

    I know GEN Dempsey (barely) from years ago. I'm sure those were the talking points someone gave him. Not a knock on him, just sounds too canned.
    Of your previous quoted article, it said 100,000 for the first year and 300,000 after 3 years. The BB news states 10,000 by fall and 30,000 by years end. That's 3 months vs 3 years. Kind of hard to compare the two. And maybe a comment you made earlier holds water and that BB will be used in special cases where higher security levels need to be met. Who knows. It's all speculation but for the topic of volume, two different time frames cannot be compared.

    EDIT - Replied before reading a page ahead.... already been discussed.
    Last edited by cjcampbell; 08-08-13 at 04:56 PM.
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    08-08-13 04:45 PM
  17. Superfly_FR's Avatar
    First does not mean only.

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    Let's bargain to "single" for now, could we ?
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    08-08-13 05:07 PM
  18. take99's Avatar
    Found this from the DoD CIO: http://www.defense.gov/news/dodcMdim...tationplan.pdf

    Page 16, para 6.3.2 on page 15 particularly specifies that DoD will not go to BYOD at the current time.
    I think you misread my post. All I said was that I had read that the 'future' plan was to allow byod at some level. Def not part of their current implementation. Who knows if it will actually happen or not.
    08-08-13 05:14 PM
  19. lcjr's Avatar
    Ok gang, going to the patio to drink beer and contemplate doing some coursework. I usually don't make it past the contemplation part.
    08-08-13 05:27 PM
  20. m1a1mg's Avatar
    Ok gang, going to the patio to drink beer and contemplate doing some coursework. I usually don't make it past the contemplation part.
    Don't know if you were an O or an E, but the Post 9/11 GI Bill is the bomb.
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    08-08-13 05:29 PM
  21. _dimi_'s Avatar
    Let me know if these scenarios make sense:

    1. DOD allows (partially or in full) BYOD in which case it'll be somewhat appealing for staff to carry BB10 devices as they'll have the balance feature (2 'devices' in 1)

    2. DOD does not allow BYOD (more likely for now?) in which case departments will chose which platforms they'll support. However, the only option for now would be BB10 with more platforms to follow. My understanding from lcjr's posts is that some departments still prefer BlackBerry over other platforms, but who knows.

    Not a bad position to be in.

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    08-08-13 05:35 PM
  22. Soumaila Somtore's Avatar
    I am happy with today's news: did the DoD gave Blackberry an ATO = Yes! that is enough for me until something else comes out. in this forum we were hoping for that when all those negative news about DoD dumping Blackberry for Iphone was the big news of the year. so I feel it's far for us to enjoy the new and wait for the next news.
    And, as I posted before, I'll be happy to be wrong. Just based on my experience with the DoD, they don't really GAS if you're happy.

    ETA: Put the correct you're in.
    08-08-13 05:39 PM
  23. shadowy banger from a shadowy duplex's Avatar
    and Location based security management is a something which will make blackberry very attractive solution. I not sure why this is not a news yet?
    Because location based security management has been commonly available from multiple competitors that dominate the present MDM landscape. Why would a bit player catching up in this area be news?
    08-08-13 05:52 PM
  24. FastLane228's Avatar
    Channels preview looking good. Integration with twitter/FB. Took it from Alex's channel.

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    that's awesome, this is my first time seeing channel integration

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    08-08-13 06:01 PM
  25. Dapper37's Avatar
    Morgan, just a lot of experience, like I said before. I'll be glad to be shown wrong, but until I am, I'm not going to believe that BlackBerry App World will be available.

    The DoD just does not work that way. I'll go with what DISA released about applications over a BBRY spokesman.
    Just a question, I've read all you have to say and I'm listening. I understand you have the previous experience.
    Do you fully understand the BlackBerry Balance feature?

    Edit: Never mind, after carry on reading the post I believe I have my answer.

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    Last edited by Dapper37; 08-08-13 at 07:09 PM.
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    08-08-13 06:46 PM
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