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- I honestly think that for markets like the US it is an entry level device. the Z10 isn't all that from from a mid level device and in the next 6 months will completely be a mid level device. Now would a lower end device for emerging markets be a good idea absolutely. at least from I'm reading though id consider it a low end device by the time it really rolls out heredusdal and morganplus8 like this.07-01-13 11:15 AMLike 2
- Ah Michael Collins - the man who was telling us how great devices were sellling via wandering down to his local store and checking on ebay, a man who was held up as a great visionary who had seen through the analysts and their cautionary tales - how is that working out for him?
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Kantar June report for 3 months ending in May is out. No evidence of BB traction in US, UK or Europe in general.
News - Samsung, 50% share in Europe as Apple powers back in the US - Kantar Worldpanel
But that Kantar report is YoY data.
Of course it's going to look bad across that time frame when compared to others that aren't launching new platforms in the last month of the reported time period.
We all know that marketshare fell over the year, pretty well everywhere on the planet.
What we are looking for is signs of traction now.
For the life of me, I can't find the data on that website. I can only find the selective reports such as the one you have posted. Do they have a place where we can compare data openly? i.e change time frames and regions for comparison?
Edit: FWIW, again. Use the same data from your Kantar data and input these variables into globalstatcounter. It is very much the same. Select the UK, starting point May 12, ending point May 13. Web Hits dropped to less than half for BlackBerry OS.Last edited by dusdal; 07-01-13 at 11:34 AM.
morganplus8 and bungaboy like this.07-01-13 11:24 AMLike 2 - When it rains, it pours:
BlackBerry's Decline in 7 Charts - AAPL, BBRY, GOOG - Foolish Blogging Network07-01-13 11:29 AMLike 0 - This is certainly worrisome. Even Windows is growing. I really thought BB10 started off pretty good in the UK...
I wonder if it is because Nokia started selling a bunch of cheap Lumia phones.
I do think BlackBerry needs to bring out a high-spec'd phone. Like the poster several posts above said, it is the easiest thing to sell. TH has been trying to sell people the experience but it's hard to sell that when not a lot of people are willing to even pick up the phone.
Not saying the experience is not good, it is fantastic actually, but I think this strategy would work if we have some low-entry phones so people wouldn't mind giving it a try without sacrificing too much of their wallet.
A10 absolutely needs to have the top of the line specs to attract the high-end segment so they feel they are getting what they paid for.
Now where is that partnership...
This data is congruent to having a running race, allowing two runners (iOS, Android) a running start. Essentially starting the clock as soon as they cross the line. Then when half of the time is up, let a third runner go (windows) and just before the time is up tell the last runner he can start (BB).
Then quickly stop the race and ask BB why he's hardly gotten anywhere?07-01-13 11:31 AMLike 4 -
- Terrible terrible article. He's getting way too personal and it affects his focus / credibility.
First he goes out on a rant criticising BlackBerry for launching the Z10 first.. how BBM going cross platform will result in a write-down of Z10s on the balance sheet because the salespeople can no longer sell the device since nobody buys it for peek/flow/hub but only buy it for BBM?! Are you kidding me? I feel insulted.
So now that the Z10 has ruined Q10s chances.. he calls for Thorsten to step down for claiming 'a tablet is not a good business proposal'. Except he claims that the chances of the A10 selling well is close to 0 in the A10 thread on CB... so not quite sure which side he's on.
Posted via CB10_dimi_ likes this.07-01-13 11:35 AMLike 1 - By demanding TH should step down he sorta can claim he was right all along, if only TH would not have "dropped" the ball. How come nobody is talking about all these Fortune 500 companies that are about to switch to BB10? Everybody stressing the negatives of TH's call and forgetting the positives and then claim TH was negative on the call, yeah tough to win if you are TH.07-01-13 11:39 AMLike 0
- This might sound ******** to most of you, but the lack of the following two native applications on BB10 is hurting their sales heavily in the teeny-bopper category:
Instagram
SnapChat
BlackBerry was always known as a business device. It was never marketed towards the every day person (or teens) until celebrities made BlackBerry cool in that category by using them. Those few years was when BlackBerry really became the "thing to have". I personally don't even think BlackBerry was expecting the success they achieved.
What I feel like they lost sight of was that their balance sheet was heavily reliant now on this crowd of consumers that weren't even in the corporate world. BlackBerry was stuck in a difficult spot...either cater to their core clientele and remain all about security and enterprise functionality, or evolve into a phone for the general consumer and keep printing money.
Maybe they underestimated how many of their users don't care about security or enterprise features...but BB10, as much as I love it, should have been in the hands of consumers at least a year earlier than it did.
Anyway, going back to my original point...if BlackBerry wants people to switch back, knock on some doors and offer large incentives to have native apps developed for BB10. Not port-a-thons with thousands of meaningless apps.
I think they're really underestimating how much people care about these social networking applications. I personally have heard many times from people in their early to mid twenties (the demographic that I feel like switches up to the latest phones more than others) say that they'd try it if it had "this" or "that" app on it.
My rant for the day.07-01-13 11:39 AMLike 5 - You may not want to watch the stock this week. Maybe not even next week. I'm thinking about not even looking until September again, because that's when I think/hope the SP will be in a better position.07-01-13 11:42 AMLike 3
- I understand what you are saying. But most families here are looking at Cell phones for their kids who stay home alone, drive, go to the movies etc. They want cool phones with cool features, at a good price. Right now that Android mostly. For alot of them that dont have phones its the iPod touch cause it has instagram. Sorry BB will not take that market nor make headway there at least in the US
Edit: on a side note it will be a cold day in hell before my kids get phones before they are driving. Even then they will only have emergency minutes no data and NO texting. End parental rant
Posted via CB1007-01-13 11:46 AMLike 4 -
I was becoming a little concerned because we hadn't seen any indication to date that there was any significant uptake in the UK. Despite the fact that they saw both launches before Canada, where the uptrend is significant since June 2.
The last data point there is the first day of this week. Finally a significant upswing in data from the UK.
This OS is dependent on word of mouth and thus will lag launches by varying degrees. If the US sees similar adoption pattern we should see these data points occuring very late July or early August.
This is almost an exact replica of the data seen in Canada.morganplus8 and bungaboy like this.07-01-13 11:46 AMLike 2 - This might sound ******** to most of you, but the lack of the following two native applications on BB10 is hurting their sales heavily in the teeny-bopper category:
Instagram
SnapChat
BlackBerry was always known as a business device. It was never marketed towards the every day person (or teens) until celebrities made BlackBerry cool in that category by using them. Those few years was when BlackBerry really became the "thing to have". I personally don't even think BlackBerry was expecting the success they achieved.
What I feel like they lost sight of was that their balance sheet was heavily reliant now on this crowd of consumers that weren't even in the corporate world. BlackBerry was stuck in a difficult spot...either cater to their core clientele and remain all about security and enterprise functionality, or evolve into a phone for the general consumer and keep printing money.
Maybe they underestimated how many of their users don't care about security or enterprise features...but BB10, as much as I love it, should have been in the hands of consumers at least a year earlier than it did.
Anyway, going back to my original point...if BlackBerry wants people to switch back, knock on some doors and offer large incentives to have native apps developed for BB10. Not port-a-thons with thousands of meaningless apps.
I think they're really underestimating how much people care about these social networking applications. I personally have heard many times from people in their early to mid twenties (the demographic that I feel like switches up to the latest phones more than others) say that they'd try it if it had "this" or "that" app on it.
My rant for the day.
BlackBerryOS.com - Instagram CEO: BlackBerry App Is Coming... Eventuallymorganplus8 and bungaboy like this.07-01-13 11:48 AMLike 2 - Well Instagram is supposed to be coming "eventually" for BB10 according to their own CEO.
BlackBerryOS.com - Instagram CEO: BlackBerry App Is Coming... Eventually
They've been saying Instagram will be out for BB10 since the day the Z10 launched. Even CrackBerry Kevin promised to give away a car if it didn't happen...then the back-pedalling began when he was proved to be wrong.
For a company that is trying to fight it's way back, all they seem to be doing is making excuses.
Now I know Instagram has to make the application, but I'm sure there is some sort of incentive BlackBerry could've offered to light a fire under their a$$es in order have it ready for around their launch date.
I don't know what the hell they're paying Alicia Keys, but all of that money should've been spent on incentivizing app creation from the big app makers. It would've been money WAY BETTER spent.crackerdoodle and Korepab like this.07-01-13 11:55 AMLike 2 - Come on....really?
They've been saying Instagram will be out for BB10 since the day the Z10 launched. Even CrackBerry Kevin promised to give away a car if it didn't happen...then the back-pedalling began when he was proved to be wrong.
For a company that is trying to fight it's way back, all they seem to be doing is making excuses.
Now I know Instagram has to make the application, but I'm sure there is some sort of incentive BlackBerry could've offered to light a fire under their a$$es in order have it ready for around their launch date.
I don't know what the hell they're paying Alicia Keys, but all of that money should've been spent on incentivizing app creation from the big app makers. It would've been money WAY BETTER spent.07-01-13 11:57 AMLike 0 -
Small improvement in Germany, decline in France, decline in UK, big jump in Italy, non-existent in Spain, static overall in Europe at 2.5% market share.
Static in USA at 0.7% share, down in China, up slightly in Australia, and we cant say anything about Mexico and Japan.07-01-13 11:58 AMLike 0 - All this MDM and M2M is very interesting but the real problem is that it is not ramping quick enough to offset the declining headset market - which gets a bit tricky for BBRY - do they spend cash to prop up the handset or doubling-down on the software side, they don't have a particularly large cash pot (not for the sector) so something has to give.07-01-13 12:01 PMLike 4
- Here it April's next to May.
Small improvement in Germany, decline in France, decline in UK, big jump in Italy, non-existent in Spain, static overall in Europe at 2.5% market share.
Static in USA at 0.7% share, down in China, up slightly in Australia, and we cant say anything about Mexico and Japan.
You just posted Apr 12 - to Apr 13.
This suffers from exactly the same shortcomings of May 12-May13 except it's slightly worse because BB10 is out for even less time.morganplus8 and bungaboy like this.07-01-13 12:03 PMLike 2 - By demanding TH should step down he sorta can claim he was right all along, if only TH would not have "dropped" the ball. How come nobody is talking about all these Fortune 500 companies that are about to switch to BB10? Everybody stressing the negatives of TH's call and forgetting the positives and then claim TH was negative on the call, yeah tough to win if you are TH.
The couple of non-Fortune 500 companies that I know of that were once BlackBerry shop's are still waiting before doing a switch. Most of them only have a few devices that are eligible for upgrades, so they have time to evaluating their options. Now if BES could have been upgraded to BES10 instead of requiring a separate program and another server, allowing for a seamless upgrade.... things might have been much different.
Price is another problem right now with BB10 devices - business tend to go for the lower price points - either a Curve or older Bold.
If I were an IT guy at a Fortune 500 company right now, I'd be a little worried recommending that we invested in the BB10 platform. I'd want to wait at least another quarter to see if things improve.07-01-13 12:04 PMLike 0 - Terrible terrible article. He's getting way too personal and it affects his focus / credibility.
First he goes out on a rant criticising BlackBerry for launching the Z10 first.. how BBM going cross platform will result in a write-down of Z10s on the balance sheet because the salespeople can no longer sell the device since nobody buys it for peek/flow/hub but only buy it for BBM?! Are you kidding me? I feel insulted.
So now that the Z10 has ruined Q10s chances.. he calls for Thorsten to step down for claiming 'a tablet is not a good business proposal'. Except he claims that the chances of the A10 selling well is close to 0 in the A10 thread on CB... so not quite sure which side he's on.
Posted via CB1007-01-13 12:06 PMLike 5 -
- Anectodal of course: Full disclosure we are only around 500 employees.
My shop has upgraded to BES10 over the past three months. Middle management and up has been receiving Z10 and Q10.
The field staff will be keeping their BB7 and lower curves for the time being. I would expect them to be upgraded when a lower cost BB10 phone is available.07-01-13 12:11 PMLike 4
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