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  • Yes, I'm acting now !

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    416 37.48%
  1. morganplus8's Avatar
    With this kind of volume already traded, what kind of downside are we looking here? I, surely, hope that there won't be panic sell round 2 next week. Wouldn't this volume have gotten rid of the panic sellers, and leaving us with shorts, and long-long?
    This is a pile of volume but the price is locked in a tight range suggesting that it is held down to buy stock. I assume the shorts are holding it down and will take up all of the margin calls today. There might be some of this on Monday too.. I suspect that once the calls are complete, they will pop the stock. Our new trading range is $ 10.00 to $ 13.50 until BBRY signs a deal or produces better carrier product take-up numbers that we can believe in.
    06-28-13 03:30 PM
  2. OMGitworks's Avatar
    Negative, but not that far off base IMHO, especially the first few paragraphs.

    BlackBerry Still Doesn't Get It (BBRY,AAPL,NOK,LNVGY)

    BlackBerry Still Doesn't Get It
    June 28, 2013
    There's maybe no better example of the disconnect between the real world and the stock market than the near-tripling of BlackBerry's (Nasdaq:BBRY) stock price from the September lows of 2012 to the February highs of this year. This is a company that still doesn't appear to know how to handle investor relations, nor actually listen to what customers want and design their devices accordingly. The company's sizable cash balance gives management many additional bites at the cherry, but it's hard for me to see a reason to believe they'll execute on the turnaround opportunities in front of them.

    A Weak Start To The Fiscal Year

    There's reason to take issue with a lot of what BlackBerry reported for this fiscal first quarter. First, though revenue was up 9% from last year (and up 15% sequentially), that was about 9% below the average expectation. Device revenue was better (up 31% and 33%), but service revenue was weak. Margins did improve from the year-ago level, but overall profitability was weak. Gross margin was up about six points (but down six points sequentially, but this was still about five or six points lower than expected even on an adjusted basis (excluding the impact of currency in Venezuela). Operating expenses were basically on target, but the weak gross margin was too much to overcome and BlackBerry missed on operating income.

    Burying Bad News Doesn't Make It Better

    I've been following companies as a sell-side/buy-side analyst, investor, and writer for about twenty years now, and it still surprises me to see that companies think that burying bad news or making data hard to find somehow serves their long-term strategic interests.

    Perhaps the most important piece of info for this quarter was going to be BB10 unit shipment data. Good luck finding that information in the press release, though. Overall unit shipments were down 13% this quarter (missing the average estimate by about 7%), but BB10 was even worse – shipments were about 2.7 million, missing the expected number by almost 20%.

    Likewise, the company is no longer providing subscriber numbers, even though at more than 70 million, I'd say it's an important number. I don't know if management thinks that not putting the number in the press release will lead investors to forget that the sequential erosion is looking pretty bad, but it's not going to work.

    Frankly, the problem BlackBerry has is that Apple (Nasdaq:AAPL), Samsung, HTC, Huawei, and ZTE are collectively kicking its **** and not that investors may figure that out if they get useful information in the press release.

    A Bifurcated Strategy That Makes Little Sense
    I have serious issues with BlackBerry's strategy and its ability to execute on that strategy. BlackBerry is trying to straddle two different worlds by looking to appeal to fairly demanding business customers in North America and Europe while simultaneously looking to develop low-price smartphones for the emerging markets.

    Taken independently, I don't have problems with either idea. I think there are a lot of high-end business users who still like BlackBerry (or at least the physical keyboard) and that's a potentially lucrative market. Likewise, I think the emerging market smartphone market is very much worthwhile, though I think the likes of Huawei, ZTE, and Lenovo (Nasdaq:LNVGY) may be better-suited to exploit it than BlackBerry, Apple, or Nokia (NYSE:NOK).

    Still, I just don't have confidence on the execution side. BlackBerry put a lot of eggs into the BB10 basket and unit shipments are already disappointing. Likewise, there was the odd decision to try to get into tablets with the PlayBook. Last and not least, the app ecosystem for BlackBerry is pretty poor and the reviews of the Z10 for business users were not encouraging. So I have to ask whether BlackBerry is a company that doesn't have the ability to deliver the high performance levels needed for the business market, nor the “cheap and cheerful” feature set needed for emerging markets, coupled with good manufacturing, distribution, and marketing capabilities.

    The Bottom Line

    With close to $6 per share in cash, BlackBerry is going to have multiple chances to get their act together, but I have real doubts about the ability of management to do so. Clearly the sell-side has no freaking idea what's going to happen either, as the spreads for fiscal 2014 revenue estimates (from $11.1 billion to $19.9 billion) and fiscal 2015 revenue estimates ($7.2 billion to $20.9 billion) going into this quarter were clearly huge.

    Valuing this stock today is a real challenge. A long-term 7% rate of free cash flow erosion would point to fair value of over $14, but companies like BlackBerry seldom enjoy a long, slow descent. More often, there's a point where revenue falls off a cliff (declining 15-20% or more on a year-on-year basis), cash flow turns sharply negative, and things get ugly very quickly. I won't pretend to have a crystal ball with respect to BlackBerry's trajectory into the future, but I will say that a questionable strategy, weak execution, and poor shareholder relations don't bode well for investors into the future.
    m1a1mg, YangFui, Bugmapper and 4 others like this.
    06-28-13 03:30 PM
  3. OMGitworks's Avatar
    Everyone, eps is meaningless.

    Revenues and unit sales which are tightly coupled metrics were the bad news for bbry.



    Posted via CB10
    Investopedia explains 'Earnings Per Share - EPS'
    Earnings per share is generally considered to be the single most important variable in determining a share's price. It is also a major component used to calculate the price-to-earnings valuation ratio.


    Perfect, thanks.
    Last edited by OMGitworks; 06-28-13 at 03:39 PM. Reason: added quote.
    06-28-13 03:35 PM
  4. Mikhou's Avatar
    Thorstein Lie to Customers, How Can you trust a company which lied so much time...

    The BBRY Café.  [Formerly: I support BBRY and I buy shares]-original_14365154.png
    YangFui likes this.
    06-28-13 03:39 PM
  5. bungaboy's Avatar
    The total of cash, cash equivalents, short-term and long-term investments was $3.1 billion as of June 1, 2013, compared to $2.9 billion at the end of the previous quarter, an increase of approximately $200 million from the prior quarter.

    Cash flow from operations in the first quarter was approximately $630 million. Uses of cash included intangible asset additions of approximately $335 million and capital expenditures of approximately $83 million.

    Fcf doesn't look bad at all. 547 million!

    Might need to drop off the 335 also, but that is still over 200 million.

    Eps is meaningless. Fcf matters, not eps.

    The negatives for the quarter are revenues and unit sales.

    Surprised that fcf is that high.

    Posted via CB10
    They are still trimming the sails . . . . .
    06-28-13 03:39 PM
  6. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Wow.... I just can't believe the number of takers here today.
    bungaboy and AngryEdmontonian like this.
    06-28-13 03:40 PM
  7. jrwb6e's Avatar
    Wow.... I just can't believe the number of takers here today.
    Sorry, been out for a while. What are you talking about?
    06-28-13 03:41 PM
  8. lcjr's Avatar
    My average is $14.29. I guess, I need to wait this out. I cannot imagine, if this drops back to single digit.

    Does anyone else want to vent their stock average?
    My average is still $15.64. I'm down -27.7% and -$1,869.95
    06-28-13 03:42 PM
  9. take99's Avatar
    2 for 2, easier and less time consuming than whack a mole
    cjcampbell and bungaboy like this.
    06-28-13 03:42 PM
  10. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Sorry, been out for a while. What are you talking about?
    Ohhhhh I just keep on contributing to my ignore stock position.
    06-28-13 03:43 PM
  11. Aham1984's Avatar
    Hi everyone!

    I'm new to investing, BB.TO being my first stock. Today has been depressing but I'm young (28) and trying to see the bright side and use this as a learning experience. Have realised the importance of managing risk and was wondering if anyone has any suggestions on how to go about gaining knowledge on this topic and where to start, e.g. reading material (any sources in particular?), etc.

    Morgan, you have mentioned options today and in the past, specifically in terms of collecting premium while one waits. How would one do this?

    Also torn between whether to hold for the long term (till next year for me) or wait till this bounces a bit and cut my losses. What are people's opinions here? I'm 400 shares in if that information helps with answers.

    Also wondering how much more down side there is here, specifically with regards to institutions/funds that hold BBRY -would they not sell now (if they haven't already)?

    Realise that's a lot of questions and thanks in advance for taking the time to answer.

    Posted via CB10
    06-28-13 03:44 PM
  12. take99's Avatar
    avg around 15.50 tsx, down approx. 15k.

    My average is still $15.64. I'm down -27.7% and -$1,869.95
    lcjr likes this.
    06-28-13 03:44 PM
  13. OMGitworks's Avatar
    Wow.... I just can't believe the number of takers here today.
    Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!! I am leaving and taking my negativity with me. Unfortunately, I will have to swing by the car shop and tell them the new convertible roof replacement for the Ghia is on hold. I was hoping to get big boy cars like M+8 someday, but I guess it is on hold.

    Added my first person to the ignore list a few minutes ago, hope I didn't make yours with my negative but hopefully realistic comments today.

    On to next week!!!
    cjcampbell, take99 and lcjr like this.
    06-28-13 03:45 PM
  14. lcjr's Avatar
    Hope you don't get any "lumps" as you smooth things over with her.
    LOL. No, she's a damn good woman and her response to me was a hug and kiss and the statement "I'm sure you know what you're doing". Can't really ask for more than that (except for what Charles wanted) lol.
    06-28-13 03:46 PM
  15. cjcampbell's Avatar
    Winner, winner, chicken dinner!!! I am leaving and taking my negativity with me. Unfortunately, I will have to swing by the car shop and tell them the new convertible roof replacement for the Ghia is on hold. I was hoping to get big boy cars like M+8 someday, but I guess it is on hold.

    Added my first person to the ignore list a few minutes ago, hope I didn't make yours with my negative but hopefully realistic comments today.

    On to next week!!!
    No man... you're good in my books. Different take yet respectful to all. Have a great weekend!!
    take99, bungaboy, lcjr and 2 others like this.
    06-28-13 03:47 PM
  16. jrwb6e's Avatar
    LOL. No, she's a damn good woman and her response to me was a hug and kiss and the statement "I'm sure you know what you're doing". Can't really ask for more than that (except for what Charles wanted) lol.
    Now that's a keeper!
    bungaboy, lcjr and BlackistheBerry like this.
    06-28-13 03:48 PM
  17. dusdal's Avatar
    Does anyone have a realistic calculation for BlackBerry Book Value?
    06-28-13 03:48 PM
  18. greggebhardt's Avatar
    Well everyone, it has been a day. Time for the 7 minute compute from the office to the house.

    Me and that bottle of muscatel will be together soon. Will be meeting some other friends on their jet ski and will be heading our Mayport to the Atlantic for some waves this weekend. Time to relax and pretend I am young!
    06-28-13 03:49 PM
  19. ibpluto's Avatar
    I need a beer ....cheers boys, my weekend is starting. Be safe
    lcjr, bungaboy and cjcampbell like this.
    06-28-13 03:52 PM
  20. lcjr's Avatar
    Well everyone, it has been a day. Time for the 7 minute compute from the office to the house.

    Me and that bottle of muscatel will be together soon. Will be meeting some other friends on their jet ski and will be heading our Mayport to the Atlantic for some waves this weekend. Time to relax and pretend I am young!
    Have a safe and fun weekend Gregg!
    bungaboy likes this.
    06-28-13 03:55 PM
  21. gohan_bcc's Avatar
    Have a great long weekend gents and ladies. (Canadians.. Americans get ur fix next week for 4th of July).

    Kevin Michalchuk for CEO. At least he apologizes and acknowledges when he is wrong.
    06-28-13 03:59 PM
  22. bungaboy's Avatar
    I'm off to my Neice's wedding. Have a great Weekend . . . . . . licking our wounds . . . . . . . so we can heal and fight another day!
    06-28-13 03:59 PM
  23. lcjr's Avatar
    Yeah, I figured you gotta keep some skin in the game, no?

    Maybe we should all convert some shares to physical certificates, just as proof! I forget, do certificates have issue dates on them?

    Posted via CB10 on a Z10 root device!
    I don't know how to do that, but I can do a screen shot from within my brokerage account as proof (date is always current).
    06-28-13 04:00 PM
  24. take99's Avatar
    finally got to take the boat out of storage this week, it will be nice to get out on the holiday Monday to de-stress. Tonight it'll be Sleeman's food coloured beer followed by a Crowning achievement.
    06-28-13 04:01 PM
  25. lcjr's Avatar
    If its worth anything, I'm sticking around with you all. I'm still re-evaluating BBRY and my position.

    Battle was lost but not the war.
    Heck yeah it's worth something! You're really smart and I've already learned a few things from your posts. Glad you're hanging around with us.
    06-28-13 04:04 PM
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