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- Superfly_FRRetired Moderatorahhh the silence. Well, BB silence ... those precious times where acid rain beats the street ...
"don't do" ? : see they're gone
"do" ? : desperate move
"[random stat]" : call the ambulance ...
Me : "starting over; last call".11-18-13 08:05 AMLike 0 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorYup, APK simply CAN'T, BY DESIGN, install under Enterprise partition/environment.11-18-13 08:06 AMLike 4
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Nope, just helpful insight. Yeah right. Hedge Fund managers unite.
Posted via CB1011-18-13 08:12 AMLike 3 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorYou are correct. I was opposed to it in the past. But now, that is what I believe. Anyone here that thinks or believes Prem is your "friend" needs to think again. I support the company, and still love BlackBerry (Getting a Z30 next week!). But I do not support management or where they are headed at this point. Because on their current path they are headed to oblivion.
Heins : "3-5 years ..."
EDITED : 22 months (say, 2 years)3 years: Heins out
Add 2 : Chen out.
The more I learn about this story, the more I believe the 4/5 yrs was the real target, pretty soon.
People here, starting with Heins, were/are here to do the tough work and dirty cleanup. And give time to time.
My regret ? They should have advertized it.
Many will say I repaint history. They are 100% legit, don't blame them. Just my thoughts.Last edited by Superfly_FR; 11-18-13 at 10:17 AM.
11-18-13 08:21 AMLike 3 -
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Yeah, I will probably buy it, but I don't count I guess.
Posted via CB1011-18-13 08:40 AMLike 2 - This silence hasn't really been working for BB so why do they continue to be silent. Its time to start turning the marketing machine and really advertising xBBM and start to be more transparent.11-18-13 08:42 AMLike 4
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- Interesting take on this business of Phones4U dropping BB10 devices by Michael Collins over at Seeking Alpha. Not sure how much weight to attach to his comment though.
Yesterday I walked into a Phones4U business sale point and I came across a very helpful sales assistant who offered the following nugget:
Phones4U business only carries the one BB7 Phone because BLACKBERRY PULLED ITS ENTIRE BB10 LINE. It was NOT Phones4U who sent the stock back, it was BlackBerry.
I made her repeat that, as I was astounded. She said that:
Blackberry claimed it needed to change the firmware on the phones and that it would be sending them back out sometime in the middle of next year. She said it might have something to do with Google / Android apps, she didn't know.bungaboy likes this.11-18-13 09:11 AMLike 1 - [Mark post - rewind here nov 2015]
Heins : "3-5 years ..."
3 years : Heins out
Add 2 : Chen out.
The more I learn about this story, the more I believe the 5 yrs was the real target, pretty soon.
People here, starting with Heins, were/are here to do the tough work and dirty cleanup. And give time to time.
My regret ? They should have advertized it.
Many will say I repaint history. They are 100% legit, don't blame them. Just my thoughts.
Basically TH's vision was misguided, his execution was poor and his communication to corporations, customers and Wall St was shockingly poor. Other than Alex S. I don't see one upper level person Chen should keep if he wants ANY chance of saving BBRY. Rant off, sorry......11-18-13 09:29 AMLike 3 - [Mark post - rewind here nov 2015]
Heins : "3-5 years ..."
3 years : Heins out
Add 2 : Chen out.
The more I learn about this story, the more I believe the 5 yrs was the real target, pretty soon.
People here, starting with Heins, were/are here to do the tough work and dirty cleanup. And give time to time.
My regret ? They should have advertized it.
Many will say I repaint history. They are 100% legit, don't blame them. Just my thoughts.11-18-13 09:34 AMLike 0 - Slightly OT but, for once, a bit of a contrarian argument regarding the recent Snapchat craze:
Snap Out of It: Kids Aren't Reliable Tech Predictors - WSJ.com
What should BBMx become, what is its potential and how should it be marketed? Anxious for Mr. Chen's response....notafanboy and bungaboy like this.11-18-13 09:44 AMLike 2 - Interesting take on this business of Phones4U dropping BB10 devices by Michael Collins over at Seeking Alpha. Not sure how much weight to attach to his comment though.
BlackBerry Ltd (BBRY): BlackBerry Pulls BB10 From The U.K.'s Phones4U - Seeking Alpha11-18-13 09:51 AMLike 4 -
Downsized the company to remove the BBOS staff.
Completed CORE reductions that cut billions of recurring costs.
Oversaw the completion of BB10.
Oversaw the development and deployment 4 new devices (3 BB10, 1 BBOS).
Took the fall for no BB10 on the PlayBook.
Oversaw the development of BBMX.
Oversaw the purchase of Paratek.
The most important thing he didn't cut?
BBRY's R&D budget.
All told, he did quite a bit in the 18 months he was sitting in the Captain's Chair.
I think the only reason BBRY hasn't gone bankrupt at this point and has enough investors believing in their prospects to sell $1 billion in debentures is because he oversaw the building of BB10's foundation. And as the company's former Chief Operating Officer, he was probably the only person who knew enough about every aspect of the company to be able to get them this far along.
I say the man deserves more credit than he's getting and history will remember him differently.
FFS, this time last year he was nominated for a tech leadership award. Back when everyone was predicted BBRY would be completely bankrupt by now.11-18-13 10:03 AMLike 13 - Think about what Heins did in 18 months though.
Downsized the company to remove the BBOS staff.
Completed CORE reductions that cut billions of recurring costs.
Oversaw the completion of BB10.
Oversaw the development and deployment 4 new devices (3 BB10, 1 BBOS).
Took the fall for no BB10 on the PlayBook.
Oversaw the development of BBMX.
Oversaw the purchase of Paratek.
The most important thing he didn't cut?
BBRY's R&D budget.
All told, he did quite a bit in the 18 months he was sitting in the Captain's Chair.
I think the only reason BBRY hasn't gone bankrupt at this point and has enough investors believing in their prospects to sell $1 billion in debentures is because he oversaw the building of BB10's foundation. And as the company's former Chief Operating Officer, he was probably the only person who knew enough about every aspect of the company to be able to get them this far along.
I say the man deserves more credit than he's getting and history will remember him differently.
FFS, this time last year he was nominated for a tech leadership award. Back when everyone was predicted BBRY would be completely bankrupt by now.
He will be remembered as the man who killed off BBRY. The only tech award he should and will considered for will be the Nortel Award.anon(4086547) and techvisor like this.11-18-13 10:10 AMLike 2 - Superfly_FRRetired Moderator
But for being verifiable, Heins was nominated Jan 22, 2012 , turns out to be 22 months.11-18-13 10:14 AMLike 2 - [Mark post - rewind here nov 2015]
Heins : "3-5 years ..."
3 years : Heins out
Add 2 : Chen out.
The more I learn about this story, the more I believe the 5 yrs was the real target, pretty soon.
People here, starting with Heins, were/are here to do the tough work and dirty cleanup. And give time to time.
My regret ? They should have advertized it.
Many will say I repaint history. They are 100% legit, don't blame them. Just my thoughts.
There was nothing to be worried about lack of BES10 being picked up by current BES owners?
Shrinking to withing the margin of error for total world wide market share was strategic?
Maybe BlackBerry and Heins had another 5 year plan, just like BlackBerry had a 5 year plan under Jim and Mike. Remind me, how did that plan work out for them. They went from owning the market to not even being in it anymoreanon(4086547) and techvisor like this.11-18-13 10:18 AMLike 2 - Think about what Heins did in 18 months though.
Downsized the company to remove the BBOS staff.
Completed CORE reductions that cut billions of recurring costs.
Oversaw the completion of BB10.
Oversaw the development and deployment 4 new devices (3 BB10, 1 BBOS).
Took the fall for no BB10 on the PlayBook.
Oversaw the development of BBMX.
Oversaw the purchase of Paratek.
The most important thing he didn't cut?
BBRY's R&D budget.
All told, he did quite a bit in the 18 months he was sitting in the Captain's Chair.
I think the only reason BBRY hasn't gone bankrupt at this point and has enough investors believing in their prospects to sell $1 billion in debentures is because he oversaw the building of BB10's foundation. And as the company's former Chief Operating Officer, he was probably the only person who knew enough about every aspect of the company to be able to get them this far along.
I say the man deserves more credit than he's getting and history will remember him differently.
FFS, this time last year he was nominated for a tech leadership award. Back when everyone was predicted BBRY would be completely bankrupt by now.anon(4086547) and techvisor like this.11-18-13 10:18 AMLike 2 - Let's let Chen get his arse into the chair for a wee bit. Don't have the luxury for anymore flubberuppers.11-18-13 10:19 AMLike 2
- Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorThose are OK, but try as he might, he could not have possibly bankrupted BBRY in 18 months with all of the cash and enterprise $$ he had coming in.
He will be remembered as the man who killed off BBRY. The only tech award he should and will considered for will be the Nortel Award.
Sorry, but what - on zero news - make you guys pushing down so much lately ? Bad karma, new investment strategy ?Last edited by Superfly_FR; 11-18-13 at 10:24 AM. Reason: added "down" to pushing: wrong sense
11-18-13 10:22 AMLike 4 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorHere is the point we are never going to agree on - you think Bb10 is a work in progress, I think it has failed and is no longer viable as evidenced by carrier sales and the way the carrier relationships are falling to pieces - so even if he did manage to get bb10 to market - so what?
1/ Get a product to sell
2/ Cut the costs
3/ Sell or die.
In two years (sorry, 21 months and 20someting days) ? 100% unfeasible. But maybe you have an example of a company which succeed in this time frame ?11-18-13 10:23 AMLike 2 - But he failed on three - there is absolutely no evidence Heins was a stopgap CEO, none.techvisor and anon(4086547) like this.11-18-13 10:26 AMLike 2
- Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorSadly I don't think they had/have 5 years, they will be gone or at least marginalized. If that was their true plan, it was doomed from the start. If Chen had been put in instead of Heinz, then I think BBRY would have had a fighting chance. I think Heinz doomed BBRY. I think Chen won't have enough to work with to really pull off a comeback, it would have been hard enough when TH came in, but his mismanagement of almost every aspect of the advertising, rollout and Wall St expectations was brutally bad and now their position may no longer be salvageable, perhaps like PW's investment itself. It's sort of revisionist on my part to, but I did argue at the time that rolling out the z10 before the q10 was a very bad decision. That plus releasing the PB without native e-mail were shocking decisions to me that should have set off very loud, ringing bells. The final nail, among others was promising BB10 for PB and then screwing all of the PB people by canceling that. TH was tone deaf to the market and Wall Street and BBRY paid for that.
Basically TH's vision was misguided, his execution was poor and his communication to corporations, customers and Wall St was shockingly poor. Other than Alex S. I don't see one upper level person Chen should keep if he wants ANY chance of saving BBRY. Rant off, sorry......OMGitworks likes this.11-18-13 10:27 AMLike 1 -
Sorry to be so negative. I didn't buy any shares recently, but I still have those great Dec $8 calls11-18-13 10:38 AMLike 3
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