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- If 80% of BB sales are to consumers, and they are only going to sell 4 BB10 handsets, whats happening to BB7, their mass consumer OS, and when is it happening? Anyone have more clarity on this?09-30-13 01:46 AMLike 0
- Man we're slipping in this thread. 2 day old news now.
http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=854641
Posted via CB10danprown likes this.09-30-13 02:00 AMLike 1 -
BlackBerry 7 is still supported as there are many individuals and businesses that still use it.
It is similar to when windows transitions from xp to 7, or from 7 to 8.
Development and marketing is done on the new OS, while support is given to the old OS, until the large majority of customers have moved to something new or the new OS.
Usually a date is given when the old OS will no longer receive support.
I don't see what this has to do with 80% to consumers or 4 bb10 handsets??
Posted via CB1009-30-13 02:54 AMLike 4 - Well, sequence goes: buyout offer announced -> sell as quickly as possible -> digest and watch -> SP continues to to fall well below offer price -> still digesting -> Prem publically affirms his intentions -> I choose to believe in a great success story's value on his own reputation -> back in.
Based solely on a bump to the offered price.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 03:18 AMLike 6 - It's been a long time since I've posted but I've been trying my best to keep up with the thread. I'm wondering if something that crossed my mind makes sense to anyone here. Going private is not something that I feel really helps the shareholders. Many of us got into this because although we knew it may be against long odds, BB has a lot of potential in many areas. I understand the argument that it takes BB out of the public eye and may lessen the intense media scrutiny and allow them to operate without every move they make being attacked relentlessly. Would delisting from the Nasdaq and trading on the TSX exclusively not accomplish much the same thing as going private. The talking heads at CNBC and the such wouldn't pay as much attention to a Canadian company not trading in the US. Any thoughts?plasmid_boy likes this.09-30-13 03:21 AMLike 1
- Your post doesn't make much sense. Could you clarify what you are failing to understand.
BlackBerry 7 is still supported as there are many individuals and businesses that still use it.
It is similar to when windows transitions from xp to 7, or from 7 to 8.
Development and marketing is done on the new OS, while support is given to the old OS, until the large majority of customers have moved to something new or the new OS.
Usually a date is given when the old OS will no longer receive support.
I don't see what this has to do with 80% to consumers or 4 bb10 handsets??
Posted via CB1009-30-13 04:56 AMLike 0 - Are you being serious? I can't tell if you are joking or not.
Well considering bb7 devices have been out for some time and bb10 have only just been released.
There must be around 60 mil bb7 and after last quarter about 3 mil bb10 devices. That is a rough estimate.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 05:59 AMLike 3 - 09-30-13 06:21 AMLike 1
- Are you being serious? I can't tell if you are joking or not.
Well considering bb7 devices have been out for some time and bb10 have only just been released.
There must be around 60 mil bb7 and after last quarter about 3 mil bb10 devices. That is a rough estimate.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 06:23 AMLike 0 - Gregg, you talk about BB10 in the past tense, it was only just released!
I am sure they have a plan for the OS development that at least stretches a couple of years to add more functionality and features.
Second of all why would BlackBerry invest time and resources trying to keep people on a platform that will be dead soon, BlackBerry 7 that is.
If BlackBerry want to boost bb10 sales the best way to do this would be to speed up migration from bb7 to bb10 for both consumers and enterprise with incentives etc.
They have a captive audience which is much cheaper to migrate than the general consumer market.
I personally don't think the hardware is such an issue. If they have heavy BES10 adoption the rest will follow. That should be their primary concern now.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 06:40 AMLike 6 - It's been a long time since I've posted but I've been trying my best to keep up with the thread. I'm wondering if something that crossed my mind makes sense to anyone here. Going private is not something that I feel really helps the shareholders. Many of us got into this because although we knew it may be against long odds, BB has a lot of potential in many areas. I understand the argument that it takes BB out of the public eye and may lessen the intense media scrutiny and allow them to operate without every move they make being attacked relentlessly. Would delisting from the Nasdaq and trading on the TSX exclusively not accomplish much the same thing as going private. The talking heads at CNBC and the such wouldn't pay as much attention to a Canadian company not trading in the US. Any thoughts?
Posted via CB1009-30-13 06:59 AMLike 5 - Canaccord Genuity is saying this morning that they believe that the company can be sold for $7 once Prem completes his due diligence of the books.
Posted via CB10BlackistheBerry and plasmid_boy like this.09-30-13 07:07 AMLike 2 - 09-30-13 07:10 AMLike 5
- Gregg, you talk about BB10 in the past tense, it was only just released!
I am sure they have a plan for the OS development that at least stretches a couple of years to add more functionality and features.
Second of all why would BlackBerry invest time and resources trying to keep people on a platform that will be dead soon, BlackBerry 7 that is.
If BlackBerry want to boost bb10 sales the best way to do this would be to speed up migration from bb7 to bb10 for both consumers and enterprise with incentives etc.
They have a captive audience which is much cheaper to migrate than the general consumer market.
I personally don't think the hardware is such an issue. If they have heavy BES10 adoption the rest will follow. That should be their primary concern now.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 07:12 AMLike 0 -
bbry [roduct are just not selling enough.
it is pretty obvious that bb7 users just moved to other platform, otherwise they would not just sell less than 5m bb10 unit in half year.
the upgrade cycle is 2 years, half year ideallly you get 25% upgrade, 5m units are less than 10%09-30-13 07:49 AMLike 0 - Who said anything about flying? They don't have to fly, just have to plod along on the hardware front.
You know that BES10 supports android and ios? You know that cross platform bbm will be on android and ios and maybe desktop?
So they don't need hardware for these areas to grow. You are stuck on BlackBerry old business model.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 07:53 AMLike 5 - Bernstein says they believe in PW's $9 offer. The pre-market is sketchy but below $8. I haven't been following, did they get BBM out this weekend and if they didn't do we have a release date? I see this as the only short term positive catalyst and even then just a small bump for a few sessions. The NY Times had a tough article on BBRY this weekend. That may not be helping this morning.plasmid_boy likes this.09-30-13 07:58 AMLike 1
- Fin, this may be the case. All I was saying is that these are the most easily accessible, and cheapest in terms of marketing, people available to them.
The point is that the future BlackBerry does not rely on BlackBerry 7 or hardware sales to survive.
Posted via CB1009-30-13 08:00 AMLike 3 - agree with gregg here.
bbry [roduct are just not selling enough.
it is pretty obvious that bb7 users just moved to other platform, otherwise they would not just sell less than 5m bb10 unit in half year.
the upgrade cycle is 2 years, half year ideallly you get 25% upgrade, 5m units are less than 10%
BlackBerry has a large presence in many 'emerging markets', where the concept of the upgrade cycle does not exist at all.
The phones have been bought outright, and more often than not, they are used till they die. Certainly used for more than 3 years, on an average.09-30-13 08:05 AMLike 6 - Bernstein says they believe in PW's $9 offer. The pre-market is sketchy but below $8. I haven't been following, did they get BBM out this weekend and if they didn't do we have a release date? I see this as the only short term positive catalyst and even then just a small bump for a few sessions. The NY Times had a tough article on BBRY this weekend. That may not be helping this morning.
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09-30-13 08:07 AMLike 6 -
BBRY's most valuable assets are their cash/patents/ ~70M subscribers+security network,, maybe their land/buildings, I heard the land/properties value are appreciated a lot recently in Canada? Anyone think BBM/QNX have a bright future is just delusional fan thinking.anon(4086547) likes this.09-30-13 08:08 AMLike 1 - Bernstein says they believe in PW's $9 offer. The pre-market is sketchy but below $8. I haven't been following, did they get BBM out this weekend and if they didn't do we have a release date? I see this as the only short term positive catalyst and even then just a small bump for a few sessions. The NY Times had a tough article on BBRY this weekend. That may not be helping this morning.09-30-13 08:08 AMLike 7
- I don't totally agree with you there.
BlackBerry has a large presence in many 'emerging markets', where the concept of the upgrade cycle does not exist at all.
The phones have been bought outright, and more often than not, they are used till they die. Certainly used for more than 3 years, on an average.09-30-13 08:11 AMLike 0 - Fin, so by logic any business in a competitive environment is doomed to fail.
Sure MDM is competitive, sure the smartphone market is competitive, sure cross platform messaging is competitive.
It is the same for every single business around the world.
The competition is not the issue it is the product. Does it have a USP?
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