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- I know what a dead cat bounce looks like. In this case, the bounce happened when RIM hinted at management changes.
The 2.0 launch has to work, and it has to be on time. Jim and Mike have to leave the board, amicably, and, hopefully, we'll see other changes announced. BB10 has to be shown at least periodically to confirm the engineers haven't thrown up their hands in defeat.01-17-12 02:25 PMLike 0 -
It's undeniable. RIM is rolling now.01-17-12 02:38 PMLike 0 - No, you are incorrect. If OS2 provides the added functionality that people and businesses are looking for, demand will increase, sales will increase, positive reports will balance the inevitable negative reports ignorantly proclaiming "too little too late". Demand and sales will increase top and bottom line and reinforce that RIM can deliver when they are focused. So upside will be there and stock prices will respond.
It's undeniable. RIM is rolling now.brucep1 likes this.01-17-12 02:45 PMLike 1 - No, you are incorrect. If OS2 provides the added functionality that people and businesses are looking for, demand will increase, sales will increase, positive reports will balance the inevitable negative reports ignorantly proclaiming "too little too late". Demand and sales will increase top and bottom line and reinforce that RIM can deliver when they are focused. So upside will be there and stock prices will respond.
It's undeniable. RIM is rolling now.
OS 2.0 can provide all the functionality it wants, but guess what? The iPad 3 is rumored to be announced at the beginning of next month. It will be directly competing with a brand new product from Apple. I think that speaks for itself.
So, let me get this straight. Your theory is that this software update singlehandidly turns the company around, raises the stock price, and reinforce belief in the company's management team.
RIM is hardly rolling. More like they are on empty with 20 laps to go in the race and have begun putting anything it can find in the tank with hope it makes the car go.01-17-12 02:47 PMLike 0 - Telling me I'm incorrect assumes you know the future.
OS 2.0 can provide all the functionality it wants, but guess what? The iPad 3 is rumored to be announced at the beginning of next month. It will be directly competing with a brand new product from Apple. I think that speaks for itself.
So, let me get this straight. Your theory is that this software update singlehandidly turns the company around, raises the stock price, and reinforce belief in the company's management team.
RIM is hardly rolling. More like they are on empty with 20 laps to go in the race and have begun putting anything it can find in the tank with hope it makes the car go.
Want proof? Read the news. Watch the stock. Watch sales. Do your own homework. I did and I own RIMM stock and am making money.
The "short the stock" crowd have been pretty quiet lately. Maybe too busy shipping their ipads to Gazelle so they can get some bucks to cover their short calls.01-17-12 03:01 PMLike 0 - My average cost of each share amounts to about $13.75. Price currently is at about $17.30, which tells me I'm sitting pretty +$10650.00. Yep, RIMM is going nowhere but up. . Oh wait, it just went up $0.11/ share, make that $10,980.00.01-17-12 03:09 PMLike 0
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But priced high? You don't expect it to be $499 (traditional iPad 16gb wifi price), and thus right around RIMM's cost of production for the Playbook?01-17-12 03:31 PMLike 0 -
And no, the cost of production of the PlayBook is nowhere near that high, it is far less and less than the selling prices for the devices, which range up to 64GB incidentally. Do your research.01-17-12 11:56 PMLike 0 - Actually, I think they are at some tropical beach after the killing they made in the last year. Maybe that's why you haven't heard from them.01-18-12 06:40 AMLike 0
- No, you are incorrect. If OS2 provides the added functionality that people and businesses are looking for, demand will increase, sales will increase, positive reports will balance the inevitable negative reports ignorantly proclaiming "too little too late". Demand and sales will increase top and bottom line and reinforce that RIM can deliver when they are focused. So upside will be there and stock prices will respond.
It's undeniable. RIM is rolling now.Sales and stock prices say otherwise. RIM is working their plan and even the typically negative media are having to acknowledge it. Sales appear to be up. iPad3, if it arrives at all, will be priced very high and still too large. There are and will be plenty of people and businesses that will choose RIM and the PlayBook and some will choose Android. In this growing market segment there will be growth opportunities for others besides apple.
Want proof? Read the news. Watch the stock. Watch sales. Do your own homework. I did and I own RIMM stock and am making money.T
he "short the stock" crowd have been pretty quiet lately. Maybe too busy shipping their ipads to Gazelle so they can get some bucks to cover their short calls.No and No. apple will charge more than that, maybe not even sell the 16GB version. With their "20:1 sales margins" they will continue to push the price higher (gotta pay those Chinese children another candy bar a day...)
And no, the cost of production of the PlayBook is nowhere near that high, it is far less and less than the selling prices for the devices, which range up to 64GB incidentally. Do your research.OMGitworks likes this.01-18-12 06:45 AMLike 1 -
http://www.cnbc.com/id/46031929Last edited by OMGitworks; 01-18-12 at 07:34 AM.
01-18-12 07:23 AMLike 0 - Yep, unlike those who "invested" in RIMM and didn't take profits yesterday when the market gave them a chance to get the heck out of this stock, they have risk/loss policies and I am sure they covered when they quadrupled their money if not way before....01-18-12 07:25 AMLike 0
- Sales and stock prices say otherwise. RIM is working their plan and even the typically negative media are having to acknowledge it. Sales appear to be up. iPad3, if it arrives at all, will be priced very high and still too large. There are and will be plenty of people and businesses that will choose RIM and the PlayBook and some will choose Android. In this growing market segment there will be growth opportunities for others besides apple.
Want proof? Read the news. Watch the stock. Watch sales. Do your own homework. I did and I own RIMM stock and am making money.
The "short the stock" crowd have been pretty quiet lately. Maybe too busy shipping their ipads to Gazelle so they can get some bucks to cover their short calls.01-18-12 07:31 AMLike 0 -
You've seen how it works... the competition gets Apple within sight right about now in each release cycle. Then the new Apple product is released, competing execs stand stone-faced, but break down in tears when the selling price is announced. Why would that change?
When Playbooks are priced at cost + $1, they rot on the shelves. Cost - $100 to cost - $200 is the price that causes the recent modest Playbook sales.
Read a bit even on this site and you'd know this... and don't chase a "contribution margin" fallacy.Last edited by Palmless; 01-18-12 at 08:05 AM.
01-18-12 08:02 AMLike 0 - Looks like Samsung shot down the rumor and RIMM Is giving up about $1.00 in pre-market. Too bad yesterday's gain might be wiped out, but that it the nature of the Wall St rumor mill.
News Headlines01-18-12 08:07 AMLike 0 - It's only dipped below $13.75 once in the past 3 months. Unless you loaded up on that one day I highly doubt you are telling the truth. If you are going to keep bragging on this forum about all the money you are making, at least show some proof. Screenshot or it didnt happen.princesultan likes this.01-18-12 08:14 AMLike 1
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PS - risking $40,000+ on RIMM is a bold move, glad you have that kind of jingle to play with, Congrats.Last edited by OMGitworks; 01-18-12 at 08:53 AM. Reason: added PS
brucep1 likes this.01-18-12 08:47 AMLike 1 -
If you'd purchased AAPL that day at $381.02, today it is at $427.86 and going up. $46.84 gain. "Only" 12.3%, but likely to keep going up as the other stock goes down, and no credible speculation that it will evaporate in our lifetime.
AAPL market cap has gone up $43B since 12/16/11, one month ago, enough to buy RIMM five times. I wonder why they did not...Last edited by Palmless; 01-18-12 at 11:44 AM.
01-18-12 11:35 AMLike 0 - Let's for a moment assume that's true. $13.75 to the (current) $16.98 and dropping is a $3.23 gain if you can hold it. Up 23.5%, dropping, and a distinct possibility of the bottom falling out.
AAPL market cap has gone up $43B since 12/16/11, one month ago, enough to buy RIMM five times. I wonder why they did not...
as for enough to buy RIM five times, that would mean purchasing at market cap price, which isnt very objective as iv never seen that done. a good example is google purchased motorola at an almost double share value. RIM`s current market cap is $8.9bn, theres no way a buyout would take place below $15bn imo.01-18-12 12:48 PMLike 0 - Let's for a moment assume that's true. $13.75 to the (current) $16.98 and dropping is a $3.23 gain if you can hold it. Up 23.5%, dropping, and a distinct possibility of the bottom falling out.
If you'd purchased AAPL that day at $381.02, today it is at $427.86 and going up. $46.84 gain. "Only" 12.3%, but likely to keep going up as the other stock goes down, and no credible speculation that it will evaporate in our lifetime.
AAPL market cap has gone up $43B since 12/16/11, one month ago, enough to buy RIMM five times. I wonder why they did not...01-18-12 12:55 PMLike 0 - RIM stock isnt dropping currently, not in the big picture. sure they are down today, but thats purely because they were inflated yesterday on the samsung news. the reality is they are still up from 2 days ago and even with the `drop` over yesterday, the shares are level today.
as for enough to buy RIM five times, that would mean purchasing at market cap price, which isnt very objective as iv never seen that done. a good example is google purchased motorola at an almost double share value. RIM`s current market cap is $8.9bn, theres no way a buyout would take place below $15bn imo.01-18-12 01:08 PMLike 0 - RIM stock isnt dropping currently, not in the big picture. sure they are down today, but thats purely because they were inflated yesterday on the samsung news. the reality is they are still up from 2 days ago and even with the `drop` over yesterday, the shares are level today.
as for enough to buy RIM five times, that would mean purchasing at market cap price, which isnt very objective as iv never seen that done. a good example is google purchased motorola at an almost double share value. RIM`s current market cap is $8.9bn, theres no way a buyout would take place below $15bn imo.
RIMM ftw?01-18-12 01:45 PMLike 0 - It's only dipped below $13.75 once in the past 3 months. Unless you loaded up on that one day I highly doubt you are telling the truth. If you are going to keep bragging on this forum about all the money you are making, at least show some proof. Screenshot or it didnt happen.01-18-12 01:47 PMLike 0
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Even with the rebuttal of the Samsung rumor, RIMM has regained almost all of the gain that most attributed to the rumor. So BGR did their pump and dump but the overall trend is...UP.
And if the "Shorts" had made a killing they would have flocked here. Their absence is because RIMM is rising, and the shorts lost their shorts. Sell those used ipads, boys!Thunderbuck likes this.01-18-12 02:59 PMLike 1 - ThunderbuckRetired ModeratorRIMM isn't dropping, not in the "big picture." You really have got to be kidding me. It is down 75% in the last year, 25% in the last 3 months, only in the last month is it "up" 5%, still 70% down from a year ago. One month is not the big picture at all, in any other time period it is massively DOWN and dropping.
Again, no question, RIM had a horrible year in 2011, and a lot of it was self-inflicted. I think there's at least a possibility that the current management review will actually produce some effective changes at the top. You wait and see how RIM's share price responds if meaningful change is announced (and it's supposed to happen sooner rather than later).
My rationale here: Mike and Jim have seen their own personal fortunes devastated in the course of this stock crash; both have a huge vested interest in seeing the company recover. However big each of their egos may be, I think there's a chance either or both has the common sense to do the right thing now.01-18-12 03:12 PMLike 0
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