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- They clearly misled investors, even the Cylance purchase resulted in Chen outright lying to shareholders. Claiming the multiple was no more than 6* revenue, they paid $1.4 Billion all cash (why not stock/cash mix), at about 110M revenue, so he paid almost 12* rev multiple.
Disastrous.11-20-19 11:44 AMLike 7 -
The company has been silent far too long, it seems they forgot what the duties of a public company are. To be transparent and not shroud investors in secrecy while they profit based on deceiving shareholders in holding the bag and eventually capitulation by all as they accumulate or transfer assets behind the backs of investors.techvisor likes this.11-20-19 01:07 PMLike 1 - Let's work towards having a class action certified - https://forums.crackberry.com/bbry-f...tatus-1178756/
The company has been silent far too long, it seems they forgot what the duties of a public company are. To be transparent and not shroud investors in secrecy while they profit based on deceiving shareholders in holding the bag and eventually capitulation by all as they accumulate or transfer assets behind the backs of investors.11-20-19 01:17 PMLike 3 - What to me seems most tiring is commentary which has no balance or positivity for ANY actions or announcements. While my frustrations with Blackberry are legion, I (and others on this thread) acknowledge positive actions when appropriate while pointing out failure when appropriate, again in lock step with the company disclosures. Simplistic negativity is both inaccurate and largely unhelpful.
The announced CP deal is a small win for the Radar product but also a large vote of confidence for this technology from an iconic Canadian transportation company. I suspect the transportation industry will note this sale with some positivity and will hopefully influence further sales for this product. However, I still believe the magnitude of this product line will never make a significant contribution to Blackberry's earnings and only provides a distraction from the core business. This business would be better served with a transportation supplier than with an enterprise-grade cyber security software company.
A deal is a deal and should never be viewed as a negative, I just wish they would announce more ESS wins in response to it's recent performance challenges. The share price clearly needs some direction from where it's sitting today at close to its historic lows.
to restate the above into something slightly more concrete would be to say that I think the BB product coming out of Radar is Spark more so than Radar itself. If you tack on some Cylance and Jarvis to a Radar-type device, before you know it you'll have a very capable secure field gateway for all types of industrial applications. I have zero problems finding some compelling use cases for such a product, especially so in a Product-as-a-service world.Last edited by FeitaInc; 11-20-19 at 02:44 PM.
11-20-19 01:18 PMLike 3 - Let's work towards having a class action certified - https://forums.crackberry.com/bbry-f...tatus-1178756/
The company has been silent far too long, it seems they forgot what the duties of a public company are. To be transparent and not shroud investors in secrecy while they profit based on deceiving shareholders in holding the bag and eventually capitulation by all as they accumulate or transfer assets behind the backs of investors.
no?11-20-19 01:24 PMLike 4 - Let's work towards having a class action certified - https://forums.crackberry.com/bbry-f...tatus-1178756/
The company has been silent far too long, it seems they forgot what the duties of a public company are. To be transparent and not shroud investors in secrecy while they profit based on deceiving shareholders in holding the bag and eventually capitulation by all as they accumulate or transfer assets behind the backs of investors.
You're provocative, delusional ánd lazy.... with all the time that you've "invested" in BlackBerry, you're now asking others to contribute/do the work. You could be a manager at BlackBerry.......Corbu and La Emperor like this.11-20-19 02:20 PMLike 2 - "If we accumulate enough information, I am willing to work towards getting a suit pushed and certified as class action and possibly even act as lead plaintiff for the devastating losses we've endured from the hot trash that is FailBerry."
You're provocative, delusional ánd lazy.... with all the time that you've "invested" in BlackBerry, you're now asking others to contribute/do the work. You could be a manager at BlackBerry.......
I may be provocative, delusional, and lazy... but then again I'm making the effort to help investors who have been duped and lost in a time where the markets continue roaring to new all time highs, while this company continues to erode and destruct assets. What are you doing?
Just because you seem to be happy with Chen's incompetence, I'm confident the majority of posters in this thread are frustrated and certainly feel deceived after all the hype about 'stay tuned', 'next quarter', 'tipping point', and countless snake oil that's been pushed by the worst performing management team.
Junk bonds have performed better!!!! Let that sink in!techvisor likes this.11-20-19 02:25 PMLike 1 - Anyone know if Chen is hiring, he seems to only hire his friends anyways. Doesn't seem like he's interested in anyone that's long the company, he believes in cheap shares and a cheap company.
I may be provocative, delusional, and lazy... but then again I'm making the effort to help investors who have been duped and lost in a time where the markets continue roaring to new all time highs, while this company continues to erode and destruct assets. What are you doing?
Just because you seem to be happy with Chen's incompetence, I'm confident the majority of posters in this thread are frustrated and certainly feel deceived after all the hype about 'stay tuned', 'next quarter', 'tipping point', and countless snake oil that's been pushed by the worst performing management team.
Junk bonds have performed better!!!! Let that sink in!
the ever present silent majority. think perhaps I should join them for a little while.Corbu likes this.11-20-19 02:28 PMLike 1 - They don't seem overly concerned, then again since all these executives keep getting massive compensation to be fired, what incentive do they have to work.
Same with Chen, he has little incentive, considering he gets paid if fired without cause anyways, easy not to do anything and wait to be fired. Nothing but poison pills, throwing the company into secrecy, as we see dropped earnings, asset fire sales, zero follow on acquisitions, zero execution ability, zero marketing abilities, zero efforts.
Company is a zero, with the continued silence from the company and now investors who have mostly dumped this dog through capitulation, the negative feedback loop is likely to continue and only make the company worse off.
7 years of patting Chen on the back for saving the company when he was in fact given a treasure trove of assets and has only led the erosion of the company. What's left but an illiquid stock traded by algos, a penny stock has more liquidity. 550MM pieces of worthless paper.techvisor likes this.11-20-19 02:33 PMLike 1 - In for a penny, in for a pound... at this point need to give him 6 - 12 months to see what he can do. My view this next Report should be the last one that "could" be a little weak. After that their should be signs that UEM has gotten back on track, QNX is getting their multiples and Cylance is the product to own. And the stock will bounce back....
If Chen's just blowing smoke and at the end of the fiscal year, he's still talking about what should happen.... he needs to go.11-20-19 03:00 PMLike 0 -
Which interview are you referring to? I am hoping to see or read it so I can get some better context.
Posted via CB1011-20-19 09:01 PMLike 0 - 11-20-19 10:17 PMLike 0
- Some people on this site seem to forget that Watsa among others is also exposed to losses in his BB investments, having the merit of putting important sums and not just rambling low credibility talk.
https://seekingalpha.com/article/430...=mw_quote_news
And as for using Motley Fool reference, we are aware of the caveat of the variable credibility among their article contributors, who are individual contributors with doubts of senior editorial checking. But we should all be adults capable of individual review.Last edited by rarsen; 11-21-19 at 07:08 AM.
11-21-19 06:36 AMLike 5 - PR
https://www.newswire.ca/news-release...825727731.html
BlackBerry Balances Demand for Productivity and Security with Updated UEM Software Suite11-21-19 08:08 AMLike 3 - They clearly misled investors, even the Cylance purchase resulted in Chen outright lying to shareholders. Claiming the multiple was no more than 6* revenue, they paid $1.4 Billion all cash (why not stock/cash mix), at about 110M revenue, so he paid almost 12* rev multiple.
Disastrous.
But then, even with your own numbers, if it was "almost 12x" (call it 12) when announced, and "less than 7x" (call it 6) on closing, that means revenue must have doubled in just over 3 short months! That equates to 800% annualized growth! See what I did there? When you round every number, and fiddle with timings, and cherry pick data points exclusively to a certain end, you can get some wildly inflated numbers which are wholly meaningless - unless from the get-go your whole purpose was to slander or pump a company and nothing else.
What to me seems most tiring is commentary which has no balance or positivity for ANY actions or announcements. While my frustrations with Blackberry are legion, I (and others on this thread) acknowledge positive actions when appropriate while pointing out failure when appropriate, again in lock step with the company disclosures. Simplistic negativity is both inaccurate and largely unhelpful.
The announced CP deal is a small win for the Radar product but also a large vote of confidence for this technology from an iconic Canadian transportation company. I suspect the transportation industry will note this sale with some positivity and will hopefully influence further sales for this product. However, I still believe the magnitude of this product line will never make a significant contribution to Blackberry's earnings and only provides a distraction from the core business. This business would be better served with a transportation supplier than with an enterprise-grade cyber security software company.
A deal is a deal and should never be viewed as a negative, I just wish they would announce more ESS wins in response to it's recent performance challenges. The share price clearly needs some direction from where it's sitting today at close to its historic lows.
"BB cures cancer!" "Oh I thought BB was a software company. NO direction. FIRE Chen."
I mean I guess I'm just tired of entrenched narrative based positions (as a whole not just with BB), then framing everything else around that foundation. Regardless of whether your starting point is "BB is literally the corporatization of Hitler" or "BB is the next Apple", believe in it as strongly as you do gravity, and then showcasing every single tweet or remark in that light is exhausting and unhelpful.
Among that I'm still very curious about that tipping point comment Chen made. We've seen more times than we can count how he doesn't give two shakes about the share price short term, so why make the comment unless he had reason to believe it? A positive comment, in the foreshadow of poor results, when no comment was requested or expected, from a person who is a bad communicator and doesn't make many comments. It just doesn't click. Maybe he knew lawsuits were close to settlement? But the other angel on my shoulder says he did, and those were what was drove the revised IP number. But then Chen doesn't seem like one to count chickens before they hatch.11-21-19 09:17 AMLike 8 - https://www.zdnet.com/google-amp/art...y-in-the-game/
Cyber name recognition keeps BlackBerry in the game11-21-19 10:48 AMLike 3 - ZTE Corp.'s and Fundamental Innovation System International LLC’s motions to strike expert testimony in this patent infringement action are denied by a federal district court in Texas. FIS sued ZTE Corp. for infringing its utility patents covering USB technology that enables data communication in wireless devices and charging methods for those devices. ZTE’s seeks to strike portions of the expert report, challenging the expert’s application of the estimated royalty rate to ZTE’s products, but the court finds that ZTE is objecting to the expert’s interpretation of the facts underlying his conclusions and that his testimony should be weighed by the... (requires a subscription)
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/ip-law...idence-n-d-tex11-21-19 01:41 PMLike 3 - https://seekingalpha.com/article/430...bid-mobileiron
Why BlackBerry Should Make A Bid On MobileIron
Gio Danisi11-21-19 06:34 PMLike 0 - https://seekingalpha.com/article/430...bid-mobileiron
Why BlackBerry Should Make A Bid On MobileIron
Gio Danisirampagingpanda likes this.11-21-19 08:40 PMLike 1 - Agree... I'd rather see them spend $200K on R&D (Cylance or QNX) than buy a company that's struggling, in the same market where they are now struggling. Beside MobileIron would probable take all their remaining cash....11-22-19 09:40 AMLike 0
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Yeah, that's the one to buy !
11-22-19 09:47 AMLike 3 -
Something like Cylance expands what BlackBerry offers, and even improves existing products. If they buy anything else it needs to do the same.ddp_in likes this.11-22-19 10:58 AMLike 1 - Off topic... but wow, has anyone seen the Tesla Cybertruck? Can't believe that this model made it past the 'sketching' phase, LOL! Finally we, BlackBerry shareholders, can laugh at someone else.... :-)11-22-19 11:24 AMLike 3
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It's funny. Since Chen is so keen on his son/school marks analogy, it's like his son is an 85 student. But then when his marks come and its an 85 average, it gets adjusted. Marks better than 85 get bumped down to 85 since "it's abnormally high, must have been a fluke", yet marks below 85 are indicative of real problems and taken as is. Anything better than expected (IP, QNX growth) gets written off as abnormal and bumped down to the expected. Anything worse than normal (primarily UEM) is the new best case normal.
In unrelated news, BB seems to be on a bit of a tear today, for no particular reason, while the market largely ignored Palma leaving, and several largish contract announcements. Not complaining about today specifically, but the wild unpredictability of these sorts of moves predicated with no news is unsettling. Since a 10% drop for no reason could be just around the corner.11-22-19 11:28 AMLike 3
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