[randall2580]

OT but security and perhaps QNX related?

Is Your ?Smart? Jeep Cherokee Or Other Vehicle At Risk Of Being Remotely Hacked? | Techaeris

this day and age of the smartphones, the Internet of Things, and tying more and more products into the Internet in an attempt to make them smarter and automate even more processes for us comes with a risk. Not a week goes by without an online service or website being hacked, but what about the physical products that reside in your house? If you own a Keurig, you may have heard of the security measures added to the Keurig 2.0 to ensure usage of official Keurig K-Cups only� but that was quickly hacked.

Imagine driving down the highway at 70mph or 110kph and all of a sudden your air conditioning starts blasting on full, the volume on your radio gets cranked to maximum while your wipers start up on high speed, and then� your vehicle starts to lose power and slows to a grinding halt in the middle of traffic. We�ve all seen movies where hackers are able to do all sorts of crazy things, and while this sounds like something out of the latest Mission Impossible movie or episode of 24, the events described here happened to Andy Greenberg, a writer over at WIRED.


Charlie Miller & Chris Valasek have figured out how to remotely control a Jeep Cherokee�s systems.

Working with Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek, a pair of hackers who have been focusing on taking advantage of zero-day exploits in vehicle software, Greenberg experienced all the events mentioned while driving down I-40 near St. Louis. For the past year, Miller and Valasek have been working specifically at targeting Chrysler�s newer Jeep Cherokee�s and were able to remotely bring Greenberg�s Cherokee to a halt on the interstate. As Greenberg states, even though he expected it, it was still a harrowing experience:

Though I hadn�t touched the dashboard, the vents in the Jeep Cherokee started blasting cold air at the maximum setting, chilling the sweat on my back through the in-seat climate control system. Next the radio switched to the local hip hop station and began blaring Skee-lo at full volume. I spun the control knob left and hit the power button, to no avail. Then the windshield wipers turned on, and wiper fluid blurred the glass.
Immediately my accelerator stopped working. As I frantically pressed the pedal and watched the RPMs climb, the Jeep lost half its speed, then slowed to a crawl. This occurred just as I reached a long overpass, with no shoulder to offer an escape. The experiment had ceased to be fun.
At that point, the interstate began to slope upward, so the Jeep lost more momentum and barely crept forward. Cars lined up behind my bumper before passing me, honking. I could see an 18-wheeler approaching in my rearview mirror. I hoped its driver saw me, too, and could tell I was paralyzed on the highway.
This isn�t the first time that the pair have demonstrated their car hacking abilities to Greenberg. Back in 2013 they successfully demonstrated similar hacks on a Ford Escape and a Toyota Prius. In those cases however, the hackers PC had been connected to the onboard diagnostic port that technicians use to access the vehicle�s electronically controlled systems. Fast forward two years and the exploit can be handled remotely and wirelessly.

Aside from being able to control the vehicle, Miller and Valasek can also track the Jeep Cherokee�s GPS, measure its speed, and mark its route on a map. No more need for a clandestine placing of a GPS receiver on a vehicle that is popular in many spy movies, the day has come when hackers � and no doubt surveillance teams � can hack into and track a vehicle using its native GPS system.

These hacks are made possible due to the increasing push to make vehicles smart with both onboard entertainment systems and smartphone connectivity options. In Chrysler�s case, the Uconnect system in late 2013 models, all 2014 models, and early 2015 models can be accessed through the system�s cellular connection once the vehicle�s IP address is discovered. After the connection is established, an updated firmware can be sent to the unit from just about anywhere and allow a malicious user to take control over the vehicle. While Miller and Valasek have only tested it fully on a Jeep Cherokee, they feel that their code can be easily modified to work on other Chrysler, Dodge, RAM, and Jeep vehicles with Uconnect systems.

While the hack hasn�t been tested on other vehicle makes and models, other manufacturers aren�t sitting idly by as Range Rover recently fixed a security flaw that allowed for remote unlocking of a vehicle�s doors, and researchers at the University of California in San Diego have demonstrated similar hacks in the past.

The pair have been sharing their findings with Chrysler, and the company has just released an update which is supposed to fix the exploit and are recommending vehicle owners to contact their dealers to get the update to their Uconnect systems.

Similar to a smartphone or tablet, vehicle software can require updates for improved security protection to reduce the potential risk of unauthorized and unlawful access to vehicle systems. Today�s software security update, provided at no cost to customers, also includes Uconnect improvements introduced in the 2015 model year designed to enhance customer convenience and enjoyment of their vehicle. Customers can either download and install this particular update themselves or, if preferred, their dealer can complete this one-time update at no cost to customers.
Check out the video below to see exactly what Greenberg experienced and hear Miller and Valasek speak about the exploit.


What do you think about these recent demonstrations of vehicle hacks? Is the risk of being hacked worth the convenience of Bluetooth and other smartphone connectivity in your new vehicle? Let us know in the comments below, or on Google+, Twitter, or Facebook.

[Soumaila Somtore]

More about the Senate bill
SPY Car Act aims to protect drivers against car hacking

[Superfly_FR]

BlackBerry just got another vote of confidence from a long-time user, the U.K. government. This month CESG, the U.K. government�s national technical authority for information assurance, released updated security guidelines for government agencies and other security-conscious industries that want to use BlackBerry devices.

U.K. Government Releases New BlackBerry Guidance | Inside BlackBerry for Business Blog

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Did you know...


QNX imbedded deep in SAE Certification / Standards



ISO 9001:2008

The QNX management system is certified to the internationally recognized ISO 9001:2008 standard. ISO is firmly established as the globally implemented standard for providing assurance about the ability to satisfy customer requirements and enhance satisfaction. Auditors have evaluated and then certified the processes and systems governing the design and development of QNX software, as well as the provision of related support services.

ISO is the world's leading developer of voluntary, consensus-based international standards. There are more than 16,500 current ISO standards and related documents that specify the requirements for state-of-the-art products, services, processes, materials and systems, and for good conformity assessment, managerial and organizational practice.

ISO 26262 Automotive Safety Integrity Level (ASIL) D

The QNX� OS for Automotive Safety is certified to ISO 26262 Automotive Safety Integrity Level (ASIL D). ISO 26262 is an international standard adapted from IEC 61508 that defines functional safety for electronic systems, electrical systems, and software components in the automotive market. Meeting the ISO 26262 certification requirements involves an assessment by an independent certification body.

IEC 62304 Software Life-Cycle for Medical Devices

The QNX� OS for Medical is compliant with the requirements of International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) standard 62304 Software Life-Cycle for Medical Devices. IEC 62304 is an international standard that provides a framework of life cycle processes with activities and tasks, and incorporates risk management requirements as outlined in IEC 14971.

IEC 61508 Safety Integrity Level 3 (SIL) 3

The QNX� OS for Safety and QNX� OS for Safety and Security are certified to meet the requirements of International Electrotechnical Commission (IEC) standard 61508 Safety Integrity Level 3 (SIL3). IEC 61508 is an international standard for the functional safety of electronic systems, and offers a very high level of reliability and risk reduction when used in safety-critical systems for transportation, energy generation, process control, and other industries. Meeting the IEC 61508 requirements involves a systematic assessment by an independent certification body.

Common Criteria Evaluation Assurance Level (EAL) 4+

The QNX� OS for Security and QNX OS for Safety and Security are certified to meet the stringent requirements of the Common Criteria ISO/IEC 15408 Evaluation Assurance Level (EAL) 4+. The Target of Evaluation (TOE) includes not only the mature QNX Neutrino RTOS kernel, but also its multi-core (symmetric and bound multiprocessing) and secure partitioning technology. Certification to EAL 4+ validates that the security parameters claimed have been methodically tested by an independent lab and the certification authority (the Canadian Security Establishment (CSE)), and means that the QNX OS for Security will exceed the assurance requirements required for EAL4.

The Common Criteria for Information Technology Security Evaluation is an international standard agreed to by the United States Government, Canada, and 23 other nations. It establishes standards for security functionality, security assurance, and security evaluation.

POSIX PSE52 Realtime Controller 1003.13-2003

The QNX� Neutrino� RTOS has been certified for conformance to the POSIX PSE52 Realtime Controller 1003.13-2003 System product standard, under the �POSIX: Certified by the IEEE and The Open Group� program. As a result, commercial customers and government agencies can choose QNX Neutrino with the assurance that it provides both the code portability and the realtime determinism needed for an array of military, networking, medical, and automotive systems. In addition to the functions covered in the PSE52 standard, QNX Neutrino supports many hundreds of other POSIX 1003.1 commands, utilities, and programming interfaces.

POSIX PSE52 certification also confirms QNX Software Systems� commitment to the software defined radio (SDR) market, including the U.S. military�s Joint Tactical Radio System Software (JTRS) SDR program. PSE52 serves as a cornerstone of the Software Communications Architecture (SCA), the interoperability standard mandated by JTRS.

OpenGL� ES

QNX Software Systems is certified conformant to the OpenGL ES standard. OpenGL ES is a cross-platform API for full-function 2D and 3D graphics on embedded systems. QNX is also a contributing member of the Khronos Group, the industry consortium focused on the creation of open standard APIs to enable the authoring and playback of dynamic media on a wide variety of platforms and devices. QNX is active in the OpenGL ES and OpenVG� projects, which help bring accelerated 3D and 2D graphics to in-car computing devices, casino gaming applications, industrial control systems, and a variety of other embedded platforms

[Superfly_FR]

"up on possible Digital Security Bill" (?)

(no jinx intended


Why I'm printing this ?
Maybe you believe that's because I'm happy to see a green sea. You're right.
But furthermore, what it shows is that any decent "news" could significantly drive the stock up.
My perception is that we're currently in a "I don't know" position, so that any positive could drag the SP back at a decent level.
$0.02

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.saw this on another forum...

BlackBerry deploying professionals where necessary



With acquisitions comes duplication.

Layoffs can be an outcome in this activity where good options do not exist... the natural course of nature and business as in life is change.

Regeneration and change at BlackBerry currently looks like the layoffs are being offset by QA Automation Engineer and others in what appears to be a large add for QNX, Global Sales leaders, Security Specialists (new ideas, like green shoots after a forest fire), global automotive engineering additions, California user interface experience developers and other adds, Power Engineers (more efficient devices and supporting clients in the power business), Patent Agent, Field Application Engineers...

These new additions serve to build out and strengthen. These new additions will want fair pay for their input with the lure of a bonus that is expected in the technology sector hence the non dilutive Share Buy Back program.

The JC road map is unfolding, the easy dismantling is over, the tough work is now ahead.


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Enterprise Account Representative
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Channel Account Manager - Carrier
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[zocster]

just a reminder folks, if your post is not appearing please be patient as the site is working through it's spam filtering systems, a mod will eventually approve your post!

[zyben]

OT:

German carmakers win Nokia HERE auction: Manager Magazin

German car makers close to clinching Nokia maps deal for $2.74-3.29 billion: sources | Reuters

[Bacon Munchers]

"100+ Supporters
Nathaniel Ward
Canada

Jul 21, 2015 � Thank you everyone who signed the petition. Over 100 supporters in 1 day! Amazing. Let's not stop there. We need to send a message loud & clear to RBC that we want support for BlackBerry 10. Keep on sharing and telling your friends about this."

Heh, they have no idea about voting power of the CrackBerry nation.

Reminds me of the best phone votes.

[Bacon Munchers]

I've been away from the forum for a bit. Someone wanna recap the last three months of "I support BBRY and buy shares !"?

:P

Q10SQN100-1/10.3.2.2339 | Bell

I'll give it a go:


QNX hits again!
Troll!!
Speculations re: Android.
Troll!
Solar impulse a success!
Troll!!
BlackBerry stock stumbles!
Troll awards issued.
BlackBerry sponsored Mercedes Killin' it!
(where's the trolls!?)
M8 the traveller - all is envious.
No tro...? Nevermind. Stock slumps>>> TROOOLLLS!!
Mods come in for cleanup. Cool pic of Good Fellas.
Some misc. Random noise.
More Android speculations.
CrackBerry nation kills another poll.

Current day.
End/.

[Shanerredflag]

Speaks to the driver less vehicle...it's coming :
http://www.freep.com/story/money/car...ssan/30415753/

Classically Posted.

[Corbu]

Speaks to the driver less vehicle...it's coming :
U-M opens $10M test city for driverless vehicle research

On that same subject:
Detroit Vs. Silicon Valley: The Future Of The Driverless Car | On Point with Tom Ashbrook

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"up on possible Digital Security Bill" (?)

(no jinx intended


Why I'm printing this ?
Maybe you believe that's because I'm happy to see a green sea. You're right.
But furthermore, what it shows is that any decent "news" could significantly drive the stock up.
My perception is that we're currently in a "I don't know" position, so that any positive could drag the SP back at a decent level.
$0.02

There is an article from this morning ( bspence posted above) stating that BlackBerry would be a big winner should this bill pass...so maybe this gain is from that...

Also, from what I seen in the past, the market/street rewards when they see cost cutting by a company (layoffs unfortunately) ...

These might be the triggers for a positive trend going forward to the next ER...

Graphs by the analysis gurus on here started to show this....maybe they can update and confirm the trend they see...

[kadakn01]

Great video on the golden rules from a short seller.
Gives good insight to their thinking.
http://www.bnn.ca/Video/player.aspx?vid=661563


Posted via CB10

[Corbu]

FWIW, in support of a "layoffs" explanation for the latest light tint of green...
BlackBerry (BBRY) Stock Gains on Possible Job Cuts - TheStreet

NEW YORK (TheStreet) -- Shares of BlackBerry were gaining 2.8% to $7.89 Tuesday following reports that the smartphone maker cut more jobs as part of CEO John Chen's turnaround plan.

[Shanerredflag]

OT...looking for 50% plunge in Yahoo profits... Ouch.

Classically Posted.

[Corbu]

Slightly OT:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/vmware...00100653.html:
VMware Reports Second Quarter 2015 Results

Year-Over-Year Non-GAAP Revenue Growth of 10% to $1.60 Billion, up 13% on a Constant Currency Basis; GAAP Revenue of $1.52 Billion, up 4% or up 8% on a Constant Currency Basis; Non-GAAP EPS of $0.93, an Increase of 15% YoY; GAAP EPS of $0.40, up 5% YoY

+ much more

[Shanerredflag]

MSFT beats @. 62

Classically Posted.

[Shanerredflag]

YHOO miss.

Classically Posted.

[bspence87]

OT:

German carmakers win Nokia HERE auction: Manager Magazin

German car makers close to clinching Nokia maps deal for $2.74-3.29 billion: sources | Reuters

Nokia's map software worth $3billion
All of BlackBerry (including BlackBerry Maps) worth $600million.

Hmmm...

[randall2580]

Nokia's map software worth $3billion
All of BlackBerry (including BlackBerry Maps) worth $600million.

Hmmm...

Its not just the software it's the underlying data. They are one of the few companies with their own underlying data formerly known as Navteq. I believe they, TomTom and Google are the only ones with this kind of sophisticated data. That data has to be collected street by street and doesn't come cheap.

[zyben]

Apple China sales slowing:

APPLE 3Q GREATER CHINA SALES $13.23B, DOWN 21% VS 2Q $16.82B

[Mr2KiEu]

.saw this on another forum...
[I]
BlackBerry deploying professionals where necessary



With acquisitions comes duplication.

Layoffs can be an outcome in this activity where good options do not exist... the natural course of nature and business as in life is change.

Regeneration and change at BlackBerry currently looks like the layoffs are being offset by QA Automation Engineer and others in what appears to be a large add for QNX, Global Sales leaders, Security Specialists (new ideas, like green shoots after a forest fire), global automotive engineering additions, California user interface experience developers and other adds, Power Engineers (more efficient devices and supporting clients in the power business), Patent Agent, Field Application Engineers...

These new additions serve to build out and strengthen. These new additions will want fair pay for their input with the lure of a bonus that is expected in the technology sector hence the non dilutive Share Buy Back program.

The JC road map is unfolding, the easy dismantling is over, the tough work is now ahead.

Thanks for the post. Just applied for a few positions in my area

[Corbu]

From the AAPL Earnings Call:
http://blogs.marketwatch.com/thetell...e-watch-debut/

This first quarter of Watch sales is showing a problem for Apple: By the only metric it provides, Watch sales look weak, but then it gets ahead of that with CFO interview saying that isn’t true. Would be easier to just report sales instead of obfuscating, then coming back and saying “It is not as it appears.”

Reminds me of something...

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From the AAPL Earnings Call:



Reminds me of something...

Chink in their armor!

Didn't think iWatch would be a good seller for them (by their standards).... so nice to see...

(can you imagine having to charge a "watch" daily!!! Yikes...)



Did hear that the iPhone business makes up 70% of their revenue though...