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I see JC as the conservative type of guy... under promise, over deliver type of guy... so his projections should be what analysts should base their estimates on. After all, JC will damn make sure to engineer and achieve his numbers one way or another !
(like the last ER report)
w.r.t handsets...
Yes, selling handsets can make money and can be important.... but not in BB's current position... that has not been a good card to play (right now).
It's like pi$$ing in the wind.... yes, it feels good to have taken a leak... but look at the results.
Not pretty.
Right now BlackBerry without handset sales is pretty weak. Perhaps soon it will look different when the software sales are bigger
Posted with my flash Passport03-24-15 10:54 PMLike 2 - Came across this article today that published a table (labeled Figure 5 in the article) showing one way in which BBRY could achieve software revenue of $500M this year. I am trying to recreate the first part of the table that shows 4.8M paying BES licenses with an annual revenue of only $70M.
My understanding is that silver licenses are $25/y and gold are $80/y. The analyst applies a 20% discount factor; silver $20/y and gold $64/y. Using his assumptions of 4.8M licenses, 20% discount, 25% silver and 75% gold, I get $252 M/y revenue....he calculates only $70 M/y. Can someone tell me what I am missing?
BlackBerry Ltd Should Exit Devices: UBS
Posted via CB10bungaboy likes this.03-24-15 11:02 PMLike 1 -
Did UBS totally botch the calc?
Posted via CB1003-24-15 11:47 PMLike 0 - I can actually get to $46M with a 1M increase in licenses, but I can't get to $70M with 4.8M licenses...no matter which way I slice it. In fact, if each 1M in licenses generated $46M, then 5M licenses should be closer to $250M.
Did UBS totally botch the calc?
Posted via CB10
You would think whoever produced it would just intuitively see that their 1M incremental increase figure is way off proportionally to the first figure.
Also can't seem to find the original report.
Posted via CB1003-25-15 01:07 AMLike 3 - This revenue calculation is beyond me. Maybe they mean to say X is existing revenue from BES license and getting these many customers would result in NET increase of $y revenue.
Speaking of weird calculations - someone recently talked about having sold only 10,000 devices. Goldman or Morgan. One of them.
Posted via CB1003-25-15 01:14 AMLike 0 - Maybe they feel this week is their last chance to push the SP down....$9.50 is strong support...can they break it downward? Exit short positions prior to the CC. Friday will be interesting. I'm betting it follows the last ER. Strong push down by the bears pre-market and early morning....then the big funds pick up the stock cheap and it recovers and goes higher. Maybe it will sit at $10 again end of the week.
Last edited by Bacon Munchers; 03-25-15 at 02:05 AM.
03-25-15 01:27 AMLike 5 - In other OT news:
Apple watch production cut in half. Some say due to lack of AMOLED screens from LG, and others' hold that the market isn't too keen on the gadget.
I go with the latter theory.
Use of Apple watches just means that kids won't be able to stare blankly at their iPhones' while walking across busy streets.03-25-15 02:10 AMLike 8 - Hey M-8,
Can you comment on the Rockstar patent sale and how this could be seen on this QTR ER.
Rockstar Consortium to Sell 4,000 Patents to RPX Corp. for $900 Million - WSJ03-25-15 07:39 AMLike 0 - I can actually get to $46M with a 1M increase in licenses, but I can't get to $70M with 4.8M licenses...no matter which way I slice it. In fact, if each 1M in licenses generated $46M, then 5M licenses should be closer to $250M.
Did UBS totally botch the calc?
Posted via CB10
Posted via CB1003-25-15 07:54 AMLike 2 - Hey M-8,
Can you comment on the Rockstar patent sale and how this could be seen on this QTR ER.
Rockstar Consortium to Sell 4,000 Patents to RPX Corp. for $900 Million - WSJ
I think it will be a change in the balance sheet taking $X M from IP and moving it to cash. Cash increases but no impact to EPS or rev? I hope that's not right though....
Posted via CB1003-25-15 08:01 AMLike 0 - well id think it would show up in rev because they sold intellectual property , does this not count as rev?Soumaila Somtore likes this.03-25-15 08:12 AMLike 1
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Advantech Forms Strategic Alliance with QNX to Deliver Realtime OS Solutions for Embedded Platforms03-25-15 08:45 AMLike 14 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorSF still alive, but under heaaaaavy load, still reading, you guys rock !
Trying to free some time for Friday ; I'll be there !
Cheers
SF03-25-15 09:00 AMLike 14 - As I understand it, it will be listed as a "special item" because it is non-recurring. Just like selling a building or corporate jet. The bump in cash will be positive but it won't affect the view on the ongoing operations.03-25-15 09:55 AMLike 5
- Hey M-8,
Can you comment on the Rockstar patent sale and how this could be seen on this QTR ER.
Rockstar Consortium to Sell 4,000 Patents to RPX Corp. for $900 Million - WSJ
Thanks for the question. As you know, BB owns 17% of Rockstar, they therefore would be eligible for $ 153 MM bucks less costs. That money flows to cash-flow and has nothing to do with earnings; unless there are capital gains associated with it. Depending on how they value the asset, it is possible to net a partial capital gain as an investment, though, we will never know unless they spell it out to us how much they might have made on that asset.
There are a couple of important things here that flow from that transaction that we haven't talked about on this thread. Our favourite analyst must be TD Securities as they value the sum of the parts of BB at $ 13.00/shr. Their report is dated Mar 23th 2015 and yet they are missing some important facts going into this Q4 report. Here is their quote:
"...But Cash Flow Positive. In our mind, BlackBerry has essentially immunized the financials from the device
business. Despite the disappointment on revenue, we estimate that device gross margins in Q3 were 10%+
(compare this with 3–5% in Q2 and negative in Q1). We model the legacy services revenue down 15% q/q.
With flat operating costs, we see an EPS loss of $0.08 (consensus loss $0.04) and CFO of $73mm. One
wrinkle on the cash flow is the proceeds from the sale of Rockstar (the consortium that acquired the Nortel
patents) which could be $130mm-ish and could hit in either Q4 or Q1. We see BlackBerry exiting Q4 with
$3.1bln of cash ($1.9bln of net cash) to invest in new areas of growth.
What's wrong with this statement? They got the Rockstar effect right but they missed out on the $ 300 million in cash equivalent/debt reduction that they received from the Bond issue conversation. I can tell you that $ 300 MM is nothing to ignore! That means that their Net Cash goes from $ 3.1 B down to $ 1.9 B but you have to expect the $ 300 MM to be added onto the final figure. This is important for several reasons, the lowering of the Bond debt dilutes earnings and losses and it increases sum of the parts valuation. How they missed this is beyond me. This is why I don't listen to analysts, they suck at math!
So let's all remember the Bond conversion of $ 300 MM, the Rockstar asset sale and how it effects one time positive gains and the dilution to earnings (which is a good thing when you are expecting a loss) .......... of 30 MM more shares!!!03-25-15 10:02 AMLike 25 - My 11yo son set a buy limit at $9.00 a few weeks ago. I laughed at him and said that it's not going to happen - sucks that he is better than me at this...LOL03-25-15 10:15 AMLike 20
- Hi Jake!!
Thanks for the question. As you know, BB owns 17% of Rockstar, they therefore would be eligible for $ 153 MM bucks less costs. That money flows to cash-flow and has nothing to do with earnings; unless there are capital gains associated with it. Depending on how they value the asset, it is possible to net a partial capital gain as an investment, though, we will never know unless they spell it out to us how much they might have made on that asset.
There are a couple of important things here that flow from that transaction that we haven't talked about on this thread. Our favourite analyst must be TD Securities as they value the sum of the parts of BB at $ 13.00/shr. Their report is dated Mar 23th 2015 and yet they are missing some important facts going into this Q4 report. Here is their quote:
"...But Cash Flow Positive. In our mind, BlackBerry has essentially immunized the financials from the device
business. Despite the disappointment on revenue, we estimate that device gross margins in Q3 were 10%+
(compare this with 3�5% in Q2 and negative in Q1). We model the legacy services revenue down 15% q/q.
With flat operating costs, we see an EPS loss of $0.08 (consensus loss $0.04) and CFO of $73mm. One
wrinkle on the cash flow is the proceeds from the sale of Rockstar (the consortium that acquired the Nortel
patents) which could be $130mm-ish and could hit in either Q4 or Q1. We see BlackBerry exiting Q4 with
$3.1bln of cash ($1.9bln of net cash) to invest in new areas of growth.
What's wrong with this statement? They got the Rockstar effect right but they missed out on the $ 300 million in cash equivalent/debt reduction that they received from the Bond issue conversation. I can tell you that $ 300 MM is nothing to ignore! That means that their Net Cash goes from $ 3.1 B down to $ 1.9 B but you have to expect the $ 300 MM to be added onto the final figure. This is important for several reasons, the lowering of the Bond debt dilutes earnings and losses and it increases sum of the parts valuation. How they missed this is beyond me. This is why I don't listen to analysts, they suck at math!
So let's all remember the Bond conversion of $ 300 MM, the Rockstar asset sale and how it effects one time positive gains and the dilution to earnings (which is a good thing when you are expecting a loss) .......... of 30 MM more shares!!!
Posted via CB1003-25-15 10:24 AMLike 0 -
This is clearly the out of the money Bond debt.03-25-15 10:35 AMLike 13 -
Wow it is low though. Might be time for some call options.
Posted via CB1003-25-15 10:54 AMLike 0
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