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- Thought I would throw a simple chart up that shows support lines and a probable down-trending channel.
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RSI=25 and we are clearly oversold here. We need to find support at $ 7.50/shr to have any chance of developing a decent chart pattern in the short-term. It would be nice to see the stock back above $ 7.50 on Monday and fail to confirm the drop on Friday to $ 7.00/shr. I drew a line at the December lows too as we are in a funk (general market too) so anything can happen. Back in Sept./2013 we dropped back to oversold and I thought we could find support at similar levels, we'll see.techvisor likes this.04-12-14 09:41 AMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorWe like reading suggestions and counter-argumentation (at least I do).
Yet, it's unnecessary to repeat them ten times a page.
My 2 cents : That's a bad marketing approach, if you ask me. Makes readers impermeable to later contributions.Last edited by Superfly_FR; 04-12-14 at 09:46 AM. Reason: added quote
04-12-14 09:45 AMLike 6 - I agree 100%. Even Apple slides show that the consumer market is shifting. People want big phones, and they want them cheap. Z3 with BB10 is a strong contender especially in countries that love everything Blackberry.
At < $200, the battle will be narrowed down to the OS. Ronald McDonald UI, Android Search bar and mess or TAT inspired Blackberry10 with Hub and Peek, screen share, etc...!
And I like that it's not $99 phone like the Nokia WP 520. The Z3 is like a high-end low-end phone. As for the resolution, a 720p vs 1080p is hardly noticeable to *most* people on a huge 60'' TV, I don't believe they'll care about a resolution of 960x540 on a 5'' screen. I'd definitely rather have a lower resolution with a buttery smooth UI then a choppy 1080p one.
i think the battle now move to ecosystem...apps selection is now one of the primary reason to buy a phone...
960x540 is not to bad for a low end phone, but BB written on their developer guidelines since the beginning they only support 3 screen resolution 720x720 (Q10, Q5), 1280x720 (Z30) and 1280x768 (Z10)..i'm not app developers but some people in here said it will bring apps compability issue
but 540p screen is still a rumour we have to wait for couple of weeks to find out is it true or not...04-12-14 09:49 AMLike 0 -
I have you on my ignore list and there is a reason for it. So please do not reply to my posts because they are not for you.
I wish CB fixes up their app so that ignored can be ignored properly.
Posted using Z30. Best of the best Smart phone in the world.04-12-14 09:53 AMLike 0 - BB is not indonesia top choice for smartphone right now...they drop to 6th position last quarter
i think the battle now move to ecosystem...apps selection is now one of the primary reason to buy a phone...
960x540 is not to bad for a low end phone, but BB written on their developer guidelines since the beginning they only support 3 screen resolution 720x720 (Q10, Q5), 1280x720 (Z30) and 1280x768 (Z10)..i'm not app developers but some people in here said it will bring apps compability issue
but 540p screen is still a rumour we have to wait for couple of weeks to find out is it true or not...
Posted using Z30. Best of the best Smart phone in the world.bungaboy likes this.04-12-14 10:05 AMLike 1 -
here is complete list Q4 2013 smartphone shipment numbers :
1. Samsung ..... 1.137.664 unit
2. Andromax.......581.000 unit
3. Lenovo............311.000 unit
4. Oppo...............254.407 unit
5. Sony.................198.930 unit
6. Blackberry........180.000 unit
7. Evercross..........115.039 unit
BlackBerry Melorot, Andromax Menjulang, Samsung Masih Jawara! | detikInet
and here is the english link for the previous quarter Q32013
http://www.techinasia.com/blackberry...fren-andromax/
in Q3 they still hold 3rd position, but in Q4 down to 6th position plus their shipment number decrease almost halfsidhuk and Bacon Munchers like this.04-12-14 10:11 AMLike 2 -
All my friends joke that I am their local BlackBerry rep.
I just don't like behaving and thinking like an old school Communist Party member...
...I simply think that BlackBerry has great technology, services, and products, but is utterly calamitous when it comes to PR - it's a real shame, and I wish it weren't true. If you think you can prove me wrong, I'm all ears.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F404-12-14 10:13 AMLike 7 -
And, even if Blackberry could somehow manage to break even on hardware, what would be the purpose of doing so? Is the BES of the future going to be that dependent on Blackberry hardware? I hope not because that would be an indictment of BES in customers eyes. They would be better off selling the whole operation to Lenovo or Foxconn and cashing out on the the patent portfolio. This will probably be done sooner rather than later because the value of the hardware business depends on the current customer base and little else other than the patents.04-12-14 10:19 AMLike 2 -
- I am personally responsible - through word of mouth persuasion - for fourteen Z10 purchases other than my own over the last year, and countless Apple and Android BBM downloads.
All my friends joke that I am their local BlackBerry rep.
I just don't like behaving and thinking like an old school Communist Party member...
...I simply think that BlackBerry has great technology, services, and products, but is utterly calamitous when it comes to PR - it's a real shame, and I wish it weren't true. If you think you can prove me wrong, I'm all ears.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F4
I know we get it but you don't have to repeat it over and over. Perhaps you should contact Blackberry directly and show them your ideas.04-12-14 10:43 AMLike 5 - I am personally responsible - through word of mouth persuasion - for fourteen Z10 purchases other than my own over the last year, and countless Apple and Android BBM downloads.
All my friends joke that I am their local BlackBerry rep.
I just don't like behaving and thinking like an old school Communist Party member...
...I simply think that BlackBerry has great technology, services, and products, but is utterly calamitous when it comes to PR - it's a real shame, and I wish it weren't true. If you think you can prove me wrong, I'm all ears.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F4
Sometimes it is good idea to go back and read your own posts and really look in to your friend's Jokes. (Sorry i shouldn't be writhing this line)
I am not here to prove you wrong. There is reason blackberry is here. Good or bad. We bet on it, fully knowing that it may not be successful. Thats why SP is down.
However, if i see some one is painting the wall over and over with same paint, i would stop counting/noticing how many coats are being put on. Because after two good coats it is hard to tell the difference. Maybe and just may be, some one can get away with a third coat little later.04-12-14 10:45 AMLike 6 - Some times we are looking at it but not seeing it. This happens to all of us. To bulls and to the bears.
Sometimes it is good idea to go back and read your own posts and really look in to your friend's Jokes. (Sorry i shouldn't be writhing this line)
I am not here to prove you wrong. There is reason blackberry is here. Good or bad. We bet on it, fully knowing that it may not be successful. Thats why SP is down.
However, if i see some one is painting the wall over and over with same paint, i would stop counting/noticing how many coats are being put on. Because after two good coats it is hard to tell the difference. Maybe and just may be, some one can get away with a third coat little later.04-12-14 10:47 AMLike 3 - there are no english link but here is the local indonesian link and the number (source IDC indonesia) :
here is complete list Q4 2013 smartphone shipment numbers :
1. Samsung ..... 1.137.664 unit
2. Andromax.......581.000 unit
3. Lenovo............311.000 unit
4. Oppo...............254.407 unit
5. Sony.................198.930 unit
6. Blackberry........180.000 unit
7. Evercross..........115.039 unit
BlackBerry Melorot, Andromax Menjulang, Samsung Masih Jawara! | detikInet
and here is the english link for the previous quarter Q32013
http://www.techinasia.com/blackberry...fren-andromax/
in Q3 they still hold 3rd position, but in Q4 down to 6th position plus their shipment number decrease almost half
that link once I find it.
here is one of video cause W Hoa already osted the other Video. Thanks. it has been posted here few days back too. at 6 minutes 40 second marks he talks about Indonesia and he said that blackberry is the dominate player in that market. However, sixth place cant be dominate IMO. JC Must be making it up, cause he smirked up a little when he said that, LoL.
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/34521...#sp=show-clips
Posted using Z30. Best of the best Smart phone in the world.Last edited by sidhuk; 04-12-14 at 11:43 AM.
04-12-14 11:13 AMLike 0 -
BlackBerry CEO admits it 'needs to win the enterprise back' to survive | ZDNetsidhuk and morganplus8 like this.04-12-14 11:37 AMLike 2 - "Outside the developing countries, like Indonesia, we have at least 20 percent market share there. We're going to push into further developing markets," he said, citing India and Thailand.
BlackBerry CEO admits it 'needs to win the enterprise back' to survive | ZDNet
from recent IDC report BB marketshare in indonesia are 14%...dropping but still lot higher than other countries , but to Cookies must be enabled. | The Australiansidhuk and StormieTwo like this.04-12-14 11:43 AMLike 2 - Just like i always get confused when it comes to difference between torque and horsepower. so, what is the difference between market share and user base? and what is more important? can any one help me out here please? if not then it is ok.04-12-14 11:47 AMLike 0
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userbase : number of phone being used (old phone long as as it still active are counted )
in my opinion...
for a company like BlackBerry where their core business is selling phone, marketshare are more important..because their main revenue come from new phone sales..and to show company performance against their competitors
if BB change their core business to service company (BES and BBM) userbase number are more important because they are getting income/revenue from their existing customers..Last edited by garnok; 04-12-14 at 12:10 PM.
04-12-14 11:59 AMLike 5 - Another way of looking at it: marketshare is a leading indicator while installed base (which has to renew periodically) is a look in the rear view mirror.techvisor and anon(4086547) like this.04-12-14 12:13 PMLike 2
- marketshare : new sales over a particular period (month, quarter, year)..
userbase : number of phone being used (old phone long as as it still active are counted )
in my opinion...
for a company like BlackBerry where their core business is selling phone, marketshare are more important..because their main revenue come from new phone sales..and to show company performance against their competitors
if BB change their core business to service company (BES and BBM) userbase number are more important because they are getting income/revenue from their existing customers..04-12-14 12:15 PMLike 0 - I'm not going to paint this particular wall more than once, but first of all, I think we all repeat ourselves in here. Every day, we all say much of the same stuff over and over again. There, I did it again.
Secondly, I would argue that if BlackBerry keep making new bone headed errors, and some of us keep commenting on them, that shouldn't count as the 'wrong sort' of repetition. The truth is, Chen really does keep repeating things that breed uncertainty...I wish he didn't.
Anyway, I'll stop and we can focus on repeating over and over again how biased the media are for a while...have a good weekend.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F4techvisor likes this.04-12-14 12:16 PMLike 1 -
for company like apple, samsung, Blackberry marketshare are very important...but for company like whatsapp, instagram, facebook, google, netflix userbase are more important04-12-14 12:16 PMLike 0 -
On market share being dominated by competitors in emerging markets:
�It depends on where. For example, in Indonesia, we are the market share leaders. And so depends on where. And this is why the next phone - the first phone that we collaborated with Foxconn is going to release in Jakarta first, Indonesia first, and it's go be to fun to see how it develops�we have plans for India and Vietnam and Thailand, but a lot of those, we're doing it with partners, whether distribution partners or partners like Foxconn.�04-12-14 12:19 PMLike 2 -
And beginning November this year, blackberry may not have to pay minimum user fee as a to manufacture hand sets them selves. Last I heard it was 800mil a year. Because foxcon have to deal with that kind of minimum quantities commitment etc.
Posted using Z30. Best of the best Smart phone in the world.04-12-14 12:25 PMLike 0 - Sales share vs market share are the commonly used stats. And are often confused with each other. Sales share from BlackBerry represent the number of BlackBerry phones sold as a percentage of quarterly sales of all phones in a given country. Market share is the overall number of devices in use in a given country expressed as a percentage. BlackBerry sold 3.1 million phones last quarter so I would imagine the sales in Indonesia were fairly insignificant. However, John Chen has this to say about market share:
Blackberry CEO John Chen Tells Fox Business I Don't Have Any Plans to Jettison the Handset Business - GuruFocus.com
i lived in indonesia...it is very obvious samsung already become the market leader..while BB sales numbers are keep dropping (but their userbase are still huge)
in india BB are not in better position their Q42013 hit only 0.2% marketshare
BlackBerry’s pricing strategy a flop: Analysts - The Times of India04-12-14 12:29 PMLike 0 - I am not sure if BlackBerry still gets monthly fee from the carriers on old bbos7 devices in indonesia? That was a pretty good income stream.
And beginning November this year, blackberry may not have to pay minimum user fee as a to manufacture hand sets them selves. Last I heard it was 800mil a year. Because foxcon have to deal with that kind of minimum quantities commitment etc.
Posted using Z30. Best of the best Smart phone in the world.sidhuk and La Emperor like this.04-12-14 12:32 PMLike 2
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