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A look at recent marketing data sent to CNET from Kantar Media perfectly underscores HTC's dilemma. In 2013, Samsung spent $363 million in marketing in the US, with $128 million coming in the fourth quarter alone.
Apple was no slouch, spending $350.9 million last year, and more than $100 million during the big holiday season push.
HTC? It spent a paltry $75.8 million -- for the entire year. Its own fourth-quarter push amounted to $1.5 million, according to Kantar. With such a disparity, it's easy to see why the original HTC One got completely overshadowed by its rivals.CDM76 likes this.03-29-14 12:18 PMLike 1 - also-ran HTC is spending in excess of $1 billion this year globally - so I'd put that figure as the sort of entry stakes you need - if you are talking maybe a couple hundred million, don't bother, HTC found that out last year with the HTC one - if you look at the US:
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/heres-wh...martphone-war/
Sent from my awesome Z3003-29-14 12:45 PMLike 3 -
- Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorGuys, let's make it clear : as brilliantly as you might imagine marketing, the company can't afford it right now: to be as little as significant, they need more than $500million per year. Can't be done until 1/ the cash flow is positive 2/ devices range get its lifting.
Patience is key here.03-29-14 12:58 PMLike 8 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorFrom the news and rumors section, a non-hostile cbc interview with John Chen:
BlackBerry's Chen committed to turnaround - Business - CBC Player
"not only we bring the belt back, but we also bring back the old interface, like the copy/paste thing "
Wow ... someone's reading the forums
(cont)
(abt the SP) "People are beting on maybe there's a chance of his comeback ... all I ask is they give us the opportunity to execute"
That's clear and neat.
"people only read the tiny (bad) part of press ... we're commited to tell our story: normally I shouldn't do that, but I believe it's very important the people know we are here and we we want to fight"
My hero
"Today it's very clear that if we go back to the basics and if we focus on doing well with that base, the company will be stabilized."
Yes Sir.
"(Mike L : the belt back) I think he would love it" "(anyways) the customers want it, so either Mike or Jim doesn't like it ... customers like it so it's the right thing to do"
Listen to the market ... indeed.
BBM, M2M, QNX ... as far as we can execute, I feel very comfortable about the future of the company".
So do we, mister Chen !!!
"I hope to be the leader in Machine to machine"
That's a stong commitment ...
THAT WAS A PLEASURE TO WATCH. 100%Last edited by Superfly_FR; 03-29-14 at 03:54 PM.
03-29-14 01:00 PMLike 10 - also-ran HTC is spending in excess of $1 billion this year globally - so I'd put that figure as the sort of entry stakes you need - if you are talking maybe a couple hundred million, don't bother, HTC found that out last year with the HTC one - if you look at the US:
http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/heres-wh...martphone-war/
Sadly, I fear that the marketing that does come will be the usual hopeless stuff that tells the audience nothing about why they should care about BlackBerry, and spouts awful, arrogant nonsense about how cool and busy BlackBerry people are. I just don't see it changing, despite wanting desperately to be wrong.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F4CDM76 likes this.03-29-14 01:21 PMLike 1 - Guys, let's make it clear : as brilliantly as you might imagine marketing, the company can't afford it right now: to be as little as significant, they need more than $500million per year. Can't be done until 1/ the cash flow is positive 2/ devices range get its lifting.
Patience is key here.
I think they should focus on a few cities and market hard in those areas. This no-marketing strategy has been a complete disaster. Over a year later, the overwhelming majority of people have no idea BlackBerry 10 even exists. That's a non-starter, business-wise. It's hurt sales, but it's also damaged enterprise and everything else. What BlackBerry and many others don't realise is that a successful business in this field is about culture building as well as technology. Apple are the best at understanding this of course. BlackBerry are the worst.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F403-29-14 01:31 PMLike 0 - For those who can read financials like poetry, help please.
I can write UNIX shell scripts but reading those financial statements makes my head hurts..
It wont stop me from trying though..
My question is related with the termination of employees. So assuming the revenue improve marginally next Q and cost of operations remains the same or improved, and with all metrics staying as it is, would BB be in the black if all the CORE and terminations costs are over or much smaller. Thanks much.
From the financials I see that there is $148 million pre-tax charges.
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During the fourth quarter of fiscal 2014, the Company incurred charges related to the CORE program of approximately $148 million pre-tax, or $105 million after tax. Substantially all of the pre-tax charges are related to one-time employee termination benefits, facilities and manufacturing costs. "03-29-14 01:58 PMLike 0 - Decent z30 review from a previously anti BlackBerry USA Today reporter. Laments lack of apps and "cool factor" :
TECH NOW: Is BlackBerry Z30 worth a look?03-29-14 02:43 PMLike 2 - Is the use of 'embattled', 'struggling' smartphone maker, etc. used to ensure articles pop up better on Google searches? I'm just wondering why the formula exists. It's obviously always the same few adjectives. I mean, 'embattled' is not a word used often in everyday speech...
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F403-29-14 02:53 PMLike 0 - Guys, let's make it clear : as brilliantly as you might imagine marketing, the company can't afford it right now: to be as little as significant, they need more than $500million per year. Can't be done until 1/ the cash flow is positive 2/ devices range get its lifting.
Patience is key here.03-29-14 03:18 PMLike 8 - Also Chen has said they are building up their sales force to go reach for customers and big clients, no need to advertise and wait for the customers to come to them, they are being proactive
03-29-14 03:25 PMLike 3 - 'Chen says this', 'Chen says that'...guys, that doesn't mean it's right. He isn't a god or something. He's done very well in many areas, but that doesn't mean he's got everything right. Very few people do. If he releases anymore new phones without sufficient advertising, he's a stooge. I'm happy with most of his work. I'm just hoping he isn't a stooge with phone sales.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F4CDM76 likes this.03-29-14 03:57 PMLike 1 - Superfly_FRRetired ModeratorWith respect, patience has been very expensive. It's not a situation in which not selling phones means simply losing out on sales. It also brings the crushing media negativity which batters the enterprise side of things as well.
I think they should focus on a few cities and market hard in those areas. This no-marketing strategy has been a complete disaster. Over a year later, the overwhelming majority of people have no idea BlackBerry 10 even exists. That's a non-starter, business-wise. It's hurt sales, but it's also damaged enterprise and everything else. What BlackBerry and many others don't realise is that a successful business in this field is about culture building as well as technology. Apple are the best at understanding this of course. BlackBerry are the worst.
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It was my perception under the Thorsten/Frank era already, and still is.
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Posted via CB1003-29-14 03:58 PMLike 0 - Wow. I find it a bit hard to believe that the stock moved up 7% and then down 14%, to net at down 7%. The ER was early in the morning, the conference call also happened before the market opened. The market should have fully digested the news by 10:00 am at the latest. What happened that resulted in such a turn around? I wonder who bought it up in the morning only to have those buyers or others jump ship in the afternoon? The stock seems like it must be attracting a lot of day traders. Maybe because it is so volatile and also because you can see two sides of the story. On one side is the failing business and losses, with decreasing revenue. On the other side you can see the growth in their overall market as more and more people get into mobile computer ownership (i.e., smartphones). Add in the vast sums being spent to acquire tech companies (in particular by Facebook) and I'm left wondering why the BBRY engineers and management are viewed as unable to create value. The stock is still trading at just a small multiple of its cash holdings. Good lord. If I told you only that a tech company had hundreds of patents, hundreds of engineers, billions of dollars, and respected and experienced management and didn't tell you what it produced, you probably would guess its value would be higher than BBRY is valued.
Bizarre response by market is all I can say. I'm still holding my shares and hoping for a turn around. Actually, I'm expecting a turn around. I guess I must be or else I wouldn't hold my shares.03-29-14 03:59 PMLike 8 - 'Chen says this', 'Chen says that'...guys, that doesn't mean it's right. He isn't a god or something. He's done very well in many areas, but that doesn't mean he's got everything right. Very few people do. If he releases anymore new phones without sufficient advertising, he's a stooge. I'm happy with most of his work. I'm just hoping he isn't a stooge with phone sales.
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It's now too late to do what they should have done before, but they still need to market the Z3. Being a loser is very, very expensive for a business, and four consecutive still births (Z10, Q5, Q10, Z30) has cost BlackBerry more than the numbers on paper show.
Join the Cause @ BlackBerry Bootleg Marketing Channel - C003483F403-29-14 04:46 PMLike 0 - Turn on Adobe Flash. When in your browser hit the three dots on bottom right hand corner to get into settings then select Display and Actions then turn on Adobe Flash.Shanerredflag and sidhuk like this.03-29-14 05:32 PMLike 2
- OMG...Facebook is down...the horror.
Is that a Z30...yes, yes it is.cjcampbell and sidhuk like this.03-29-14 05:42 PMLike 2 -
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