950 mil losses from what?
- Here is a simple example it costs $100 to build a z10, and they build 2,000,000 extra (inventory cost, $200M). They think they are going to sell them at $700 a piece, they get entered into the books as an asset of $1.4B.
Sales are slow, so they still have 200,000 of them, but they adjust there asset value to $200 each, for a $1B writedown.
Show me the loss. It isn't real. If they still sell those BlackBerry's at $200 a piece, they make $200M
It is the same as the playbook write down. It is a paper loss.
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so yes, it is a real loss. they built these phones which cost money, and now they're sitting on the shelves collecting dust and will probably never even be sold.
so you're right, the write down didn't even cost them a penny, it cost them 100000000000 pennies. they spent money to manufacture something that will never be sold.09-21-13 07:48 AMLike 3 - Here is a simple example it costs $100 to build a z10, and they build 2,000,000 extra (inventory cost, $200M). They think they are going to sell them at $700 a piece, they get entered into the books as an asset of $1.4B.
Sales are slow, so they still have 200,000 of them, but they adjust there asset value to $200 each, for a $1B writedown.
Show me the loss. It isn't real. If they still sell those BlackBerry's at $200 a piece, they make $200M
It is the same as the playbook write down. It is a paper loss.
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Posted via CB10FSeverino likes this.09-21-13 08:08 AMLike 1 - 09-21-13 08:14 AMLike 0
- incorrect. inventory is carried at COST on their balance sheet, not at their estimated selling price. you can't just enter an asset on your books for whatever you think it's worth. the fact they they had to write down their inventory below COST suggests that these phones are practically worthless and will never even be sold.
so yes, it is a real loss. they built these phones which cost money, and now they're sitting on the shelves collecting dust and will probably never even be sold.
so you're right, the write down didn't even cost them a penny, it cost them 100000000000 pennies. they spent money to manufacture something that will never be sold.
You think they had almost 5million Z10s on the shelves? The Playbook should have taught them better...09-21-13 08:20 AMLike 0 - 09-21-13 08:40 AMLike 0
- This is how I understand it but I am not sure that I am correct.
They may have 5 million Z10s in inventory. They valued them at $400 each. Now, they are valuing them at $200 each. So they are now valuing them at $200X5,000,000 less.
If it cost them only $200 to make, then they do not actually lose much money if they sell them for $200.
They are losing the added value that they attributed to them.
Not sure if this is correct or the numbers are accurate but I hope this concept is correct.09-21-13 08:46 AMLike 0 - This is how I understand it but I am not sure that I am correct.
They may have 5 million Z10s in inventory. They valued them at $400 each. Now, they are valuing them at $200 each. So they are now valuing them at $200X5,000,000 less.
If it cost them only $200 to make, then they do not actually lose much money if they sell them for $200.
They are losing the added value that they attributed to them.
Not sure if this is correct or the numbers are accurate but I hope this concept is correct.
The correction is because their expected value is now below their cost. $1 billion below cost.JeepBB likes this.09-21-13 08:49 AMLike 1 - 09-21-13 08:51 AMLike 0
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In all seriousness, the problem with this write-down isn't just the sheer dollar value; it's also the confirmation that BBRY apparently has lost the ability to predict the kind of device it needs to build to be successful. When this happened with the PlayBook, it was viewed as a one-off deal, a mistaken foray into a business outside of BBRY's main business. But to have so badly overestimated demand for the Z10 suggests the company can no longer rely on its ability to gauge where the market is going.09-21-13 09:02 AMLike 3 - Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesGood point. You know, if I just ignore all the questions I missed on the SAT, I "basically" got a perfect score.
In all seriousness, the problem with this write-down isn't just the sheer dollar value; it's also the confirmation that BBRY apparently has lost the ability to predict the kind of device it needs to build to be successful. When this happened with the PlayBook, it was viewed as a one-off deal, a mistaken foray into a business outside of BBRY's main business. But to have so badly overestimated demand for the Z10 suggests the company can no longer rely on its ability to gauge where the market is going.
I might as well add "prosumers" to my keyboard dictionary. It's a sexy word, and fits very well with "mobile computing, BBRY-style).09-21-13 09:06 AMLike 0 - Point is that there is a difference between a write down in the value of an asset (inventory) and an operating loss. For example, if your house lost 20% of its value in the housing market, but you still have your job and are making ends meet, you are 20% poorer, which is not good obviously, but you are still living within your means so you aren't going to be lining up at the food kitchen just because you lost that value.
Posted via CB1009-21-13 11:04 AMLike 0 - Point is that there is a difference between a write down in the value of an asset (inventory) and an operating loss. For example, if your house lost 20% of its value in the housing market, but you still have your job and are making ends meet, you are 20% poorer, which is not good obviously, but you are still living within your means so you aren't going to be lining up at the food kitchen just because you lost that value.
Posted via CB1009-21-13 11:08 AMLike 0 - The write down can't be from the cost of assembly. The production cost is around $200. they could sell every single one of them at $200 without contract in about 8hrs, selling direct. In fact if they sold to the wireless companies, at $200, they could all give us a credit on contract......
Posted via CB10xBURK likes this.09-21-13 11:52 AMLike 1 - Point is that there is a difference between a write down in the value of an asset (inventory) and an operating loss. For example, if your house lost 20% of its value in the housing market, but you still have your job and are making ends meet, you are 20% poorer, which is not good obviously, but you are still living within your means so you aren't going to be lining up at the food kitchen just because you lost that value.
If initiated properly with a compelling product, I do believe that those numbers could have been achieved. (Whether BBRY could have actually stayed afloat with those numbers is another issue.) Unfortunately, BBRY did everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, wrong.Last edited by sentimentGX4; 09-21-13 at 12:26 PM.
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like the touchpad before it, these will be garbage hunters people unwilling to pay top dollar for kit, hardly the 'prosumers' that BBRY claims to be chasing.09-21-13 01:27 PMLike 0 -
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Those Z10's have clearly been rolling off the production lines and straight to a warehouse shelf for many months now. And as the Z10 is regarded as EOL now according to several reports here, they'll need good luck in selling them now.
According to several sources: initial production rates were 2M units/month... then 1M units... then 900k/month. Despite BB's "lack of clarity" regarding BB10 sell-through, it's now obvious that Z10 monthly sales have never been anything close to matching those production runs and the billion dollar write down is the result.
Hubris?09-21-13 02:34 PMLike 0 -
Posted via CB1009-21-13 03:02 PMLike 0 - Perception, many of us got screwed on the playbook matter. Now, after all this negative press and the reality of the situation, who will buy this product? My employer bailed, 5,000+ units with Enterprise, because of the lack of stability. My kid, 13 yrs old, understands this and would not consider this product. Is he a Prosumer? Am I? These Slobs created this situation. BOD, please act fast, this f'dup ameteur hour is over, NOW! It's not too late, make a radical change Monday.xBURK likes this.09-21-13 03:03 PMLike 1
- Perception, many of us got screwed on the playbook matter. Now, after all this negative press and the reality of the situation, who will buy this product? My employer bailed, 5,000+ units with Enterprise, because of the lack of stability. My kid, 13 yrs old, understands this and would not consider this product. Is he a Prosumer? Am I? These Slobs created this situation. BOD, please act fast, this f'dup ameteur hour is over, NOW! It's not too late, make a radical change Monday.
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