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Isn't that the graph you thanked me for posting? Except you've removed Symbian which is above bb and on a the same upswing. Lol! Now I know you're not being serious :-)Looks as though the upward trend has continued through June.
The graph is for worldwide. Might point to the second full quarter continuing this record breaking mobile platform launch
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Attachment 17899207-04-13 05:20 PM - Hi Richardat!,
It may be the same graph if that was from netmarketshare.com?
I didn't purposely remove symbian. I just didn't care to see where Symbian was haha. All I wanted to see was the general trend for BB since march and now there is a full June month to tack on the end.
Thanks for noticing07-04-13 05:48 PM - Yes, that's the exact data that is on the graph
So this upcoming quarter is equivalent to the noted quarter with iPhone shipments of 2.3M. I'm anticipation 4M+ but who knows? We'll see.
The quarter after that is where iphones fell off a cliff. Back to just over 1.5 M.
Posted via CB1007-04-13 10:20 PM - LOL! You freakin nut! :-)Hi Richardat!,
It may be the same graph if that was from netmarketshare.com?
I didn't purposely remove symbian. I just didn't care to see where Symbian was haha. All I wanted to see was the general trend for BB since march and now there is a full June month to tack on the end.
Thanks for noticing
Carry on ;-)07-04-13 10:52 PM - In my eyes success can only be measured if we could compare the numbers achieved to those set as minimum targeted projections by BB itself prior to the launch. This would be the only objective fulfillment indicating analysis with objective hard data that would matter imo.
I believe that, as commented by others also, the data is not complete. Be it by normalizing it or setting other ground rules for analysis, the focus is not completely clear yet as for a conclusion to be used as hard data for discussion.
This itself has presented very interesting points and views as well as more data and makes the thread very constructive imo.
To the initial question I would agree with those that had prompted for normalization of the data. Also, bb10 sales expressed in % of current market share and compared to the equivalent of any launch against % total market at the corresponding launch time would give perception of market presence (BB as part of the market). It still would miss determining factors that affect adoption rates and trends i.e: the comparison of what you compete against when you launch, which in my view is crucial in determining the success: "a metric of performance against the alternatives present in the market" and resistance of adoption plus its basic factors.
In absolute numbers, one can present the data as the "best launch ever" for BB (as a company competing with itself).
The only objective data would be if it is the best launch ever for BBRY. This does have some objectivity as a point, since BBRY is constantly in the market and moving/operating constantly (doing a good or bad job, that is another point). Thus, talking on absolute BBRY numbers, the results of the launch of BB10 is in itself a strong indicator that BB is doing things better in some aspect, compared to their own results in the past, as they have managed to perform better compared to their own self. In this logic one can again bring in the % market share and that would be open to discuss, but at the same point, I would say BB outperformed itself based on older performance (concerning launches of new devices) and that is positive. Is it enough? Maybe not judging from what is being discussed the past week.
That said, to claim it is the "best launch ever" in general, far from it.
We can swift and focus / interpret the data as we like but talking about what BBRY needs to achieve in order to stay in the game and fulfill their mid term - long term targets on BB10 adoption rates and user base, this is not the best launch ever, based on strategic result fulfillment and not in absolute numbers. They need to triple the numbers they are currently doing to say that this has been the best launch ever in terms of effectiveness on the strategic targeting on their positioning.
For me, we should be looking at the results on the 1year from introduction to the market in order to have a better understanding of how successful the launch really will have been.
I say that keeping in mind that the launch has segments, both on timings and markets addressed per project cycle as well as completing a series of products released and marketed as much as a definite 1.2 version of the OS, that should be what will have been able to bring in the most distinguished features and polishing.
Then, after a complete cycle with a complete product placement and features, we should be able to see the standardized, less fluctuant adoption rate and a stable market behaviour towards BBRY, that would be the end of a launch for me and the initiation of stable projection possibilities for the long run. It would be more dependent on the actual market appreciation of a finished product and completed promotional marketing cycle by that time. This would carry the echo of the launch effort and show us how sucessful the launch had been and how it affected the market perception of the company. (not saying that the market will be static afterwards but the core features of products and OS offered will have been standardized by BB on a greater degree, thus the complete product will compete in an almost full potential in a way).
In few words, when the waters "calm down" and we see results, then we would be able to discuss about the more successful launch ever.
PS: for those of you that are not sharing my way of perception and like to discuss the early number analysis approach, I would suggest that you try to contextualize using an estimate of returned phones rates. I know T.H has said it was "within normal" but this is a variable that could alternate completely the analysis of the initial numbers dataset when we speak of "successful launch" and contextualize expectation with fulfillment on purchase as an important launch success factor imo.
PS: sorry for my bad english and thus long post (no time to revise and shorten it at the moment
) I hope it makes some sense 
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07-05-13 08:33 AM - Yes but let us not forget that they are loosing user base at the same time, thus they would need to counter balance that loss and include it in the migration to BB10 on an ideal scenario, so the numbers still do not speak the whole picture imo.
Not able to search and do the numbers but I think that the decline on the BBOS users is considerable and nowhere near covered in sales.
Also something that strikes me with the data by howarmat:
The S4 is reported to have sold by itself 20 milion devices since April last article I have read, so clearly something is not right in some of the numbers, given that 20milion (S4)+2,7BB10= 22,7 Milion out of a total 38? I am not saying they are wrong but we should have a second look and verify at some point.
Cannot do that now but will be looking at it at some point. If anyone has the time to check meanwhile I would owe them one!07-05-13 11:38 AM - That 38 Mln figure is the total global smartphone sales reported for that period of Android sales. Thus for the S4 sales you would use today's 210 Mln for the metric.Yes but let us not forget that they are loosing user base at the same time, thus they would need to counter balance that loss and include it in the migration to BB10 on an ideal scenario, so the numbers still do not speak the whole picture imo.
Not able to search and do the numbers but I think that the decline on the BBOS users is considerable and nowhere near covered in sales.
Also something that strikes me with the data by howarmat:
The S4 is reported to have sold by itself 20 milion devices since April last article I have read, so clearly something is not right in some of the numbers, given that 20milion (S4)+2,7BB10= 22,7 Milion out of a total 38? I am not saying they are wrong but we should have a second look and verify at some point.
Cannot do that now but will be looking at it at some point. If anyone has the time to check meanwhile I would owe them one!
I agree about the declining user base. However, that may be a topic for another thread. In fact I think it is touched on in every thread haha.
Thanks for your contributions here07-05-13 11:43 AM
2.7 Million Units Shipped, Best First Full Quarter Launch for any mobile OS ever?
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