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  1. ealvnv's Avatar
    You're completely wrong, but I'll only cover wifi. The Z uses a TI chip, the same found in the PlayBook. Apparently that chip isn't great and Miracast hasn't been implemented (yet).
    The irony is that the Z10-1 could support the feature since TI has integrated it in the OMAP4470 it uses, but that would make a lot of people unhappy...

    Sent from my PlayBook v10.2.0.1155 Lite
    The Z10 uses a Snapdragon CPU except for the STL 100-1 or is it BlackBerry wrong?


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    08-08-13 04:32 PM
  2. ofutur's Avatar
    How have you determined that the TI wifi chip has not (yet) implemented miracast?

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    You're welcome to do your own research: TI WL1273
    08-08-13 04:34 PM
  3. m1kr0's Avatar
    Shock and horror. Not on the Z?
    08-08-13 04:43 PM
  4. ofutur's Avatar
    The Z10 uses a Snapdragon CPU except for the STL 100-1 or is it BlackBerry wrong?


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    That's correct, but it's the MSM8960
    08-08-13 04:43 PM
  5. doggy10's Avatar
    Where is the Wifi-Direct example? I didn't ask for Miracast. You just wasted my time. Moreover Crackberry would do a much more professional example than that. You can barely tell it's a tv we are looking at.
    Wow, wasted your time??? Ungrateful much??? Geez. Nobody forced you to watch it. You could have just said thank you but you were looking for wifi direct example instead of saying you didn't ask for that. That was very disrespectful.

    BlackBerry for life. Kick'n it with my Z10.
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    08-08-13 04:48 PM
  6. 00stryder's Avatar
    You're completely wrong, but I'll only cover wifi. The Z uses a TI chip, the same found in the PlayBook. Apparently that chip isn't great and Miracast hasn't been implemented (yet).
    The irony is that the Z10-1 could support the feature since TI has integrated it in the OMAP4470 it uses, but that would make a lot of people unhappy...

    Sent from my PlayBook v10.2.0.1155 Lite
    Finally something Farouk can be happy about!

    Posted via CB10 on my white Z10 & lovin' it!
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    08-08-13 04:51 PM
  7. lawguyman's Avatar
    You're welcome to do your own research: TI WL1273
    I did but could not find anything addressing the issue.

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    08-08-13 05:07 PM
  8. ofutur's Avatar
    I did but could not find anything addressing the issue.

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    There you go then. It would have been widely publicised if TI had implemented new features for that old chip.
    Look at what you find for the 2013 wifi platform: Broadcom bcm4334
    Single-Chip Dual-Band Combo Device Supporting 802.11n, Bluetooth 4.0+HS & FM Receiver - BCM4334 | Broadcom
    The combo device also features advanced switching techniques that enable concurrent dual-band operation to simultaneously support network connectivity with one band while also allowing content streaming via technologies such as Wi-Fi Display and Wi-Fi Direct.
    The advanced architecture supports the latest "always on always connected" (AOAC) applications such as push e-mail or Internet radio services, even while the host smartphone is in sleep modes, further preserving battery life
    It might be one reason the Q10 got delayed. Maybe they wanted to use a newer platform. And they'll introduce another one next year.
    08-08-13 05:15 PM
  9. ealvnv's Avatar
    That's correct, but it's the MSM8960
    Which is the same as the Q10
    08-08-13 05:23 PM
  10. Gerii's Avatar
    Just to clarify, the Q10 uses the BCM4334 from Broadcom for WiFi which supports Miracast officially while the Z10 STL100-2/-3/-4 variants use the Texas Instruments WL1273L that has no official support for Miracast.
    08-08-13 05:30 PM
  11. ofutur's Avatar
    Which is the same as the Q10
    Yes
    08-08-13 05:30 PM
  12. lawguyman's Avatar
    There you go then. It would have been widely publicised if TI had implemented new features for that old chip.
    Look at what you find for the 2013 wifi platform: Broadcom bcm4334
    Single-Chip Dual-Band Combo Device Supporting 802.11n, Bluetooth 4.0+HS & FM Receiver - BCM4334 | Broadcom


    It might be one reason the Q10 got delayed. Maybe they wanted to use a newer platform. And they'll introduce another one next year.
    Thanks. I guess it is not what was said but what has not been said. Still, this gives me some hope that this still could happen. After all, for a company talking so much about Mobile Computing and then having their Flagship phone be incapable of essential mobile computing features? Absurd! But, this is BlackBerry. Z10 is a five month old phone that is already being left behind. Ugh.

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    08-08-13 05:34 PM
  13. ofutur's Avatar
    Just to clarify, the Q10 uses the BCM4334 from Broadcom for WiFi which supports Miracast officially while the Z10 STL100-2/-3/-4 variants use the Texas Instruments WL1273 that has no official support for Miracast.
    Yes. Still crossing my fingers, but we should be close to a gold release and the miracast audio profile is in each series folder, except for the L series.

    Q10, Q5, Z30, Z50, all the same Wifi chipset, for now.
    Z15, Q15, different CPU, different Wifi, but supports Miracast.
    Qualcomm News and Events
    The WCN3660 chip features single-stream, 802.11n with dual-band (2.4 GHz and 5 GHz) operation to enhance mobile wireless multimedia applications. The chip also supports mobile hotspot functionality for up to 14 clients with industry standards-based Wi-Fi Direct™ for peer-to-peer wireless connections without an access point present. The WCN3660 also will support the emerging Wi-Fi Display™ standard for streaming video directly from a smartphone or tablet to a Wi-Fi-enabled display or television.
    08-08-13 05:36 PM
  14. ealvnv's Avatar
    Yes
    Never mind, got the wrong info, looking for the correct one
    08-08-13 05:37 PM
  15. ealvnv's Avatar
    Isn't the Play On feature on the Z10 done via dlna anyways?
    08-08-13 05:52 PM
  16. lawguyman's Avatar
    Michael Clewley from BlackBerry tweeted that he would not respond to rumors that Miracast is not coming to z10.

    Read into that what you want.

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    08-09-13 10:26 AM
  17. ofutur's Avatar
    Michael Clewley from BlackBerry tweeted that he would not respond to rumors that Miracast is not coming to z10.

    Read into that what you want.

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    Doesn't sound good to me, but I don't think anybody bought a Z10 just to be able to stream content to their TV. Some people had some expectations after the announcement that it was coming to BB10, but BlackBerry could have just said that it would be from Z30 onward and force people to upgrade.
    08-09-13 10:38 AM
  18. lawguyman's Avatar
    Doesn't sound good to me, but I don't think anybody bought a Z10 just to be able to stream content to their TV. Some people had some expectations after the announcement that it was coming to BB10, but BlackBerry could have just said that it would be from Z30 onward and force people to upgrade.
    It doesn't look good to me either. I'm not happy about it but I can't say I bought a z10 for Miracast. I do feel like this was a big flub though. Miracast is not that new. The cost difference between chips must have been small. According to a BOM breakdown, wifi costs alone were under $2. So, we are probably talking a few cents difference in component costs. This is what you call penny wise but pound foolish.

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    08-09-13 10:55 AM
  19. ofutur's Avatar
    It doesn't look good to me either. I'm not happy about it but I can't say I bought a z10 for Miracast. I do feel like this was a big flub though. Miracast is not that new. The cost difference between chips must have been small. According to a BOM breakdown, wifi costs alone were under $2. So, we are probably talking a few cents difference in component costs. This is what you call penny wise but pound foolish.

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    They probably picked that chip for different reasons. They had drivers for their OS already since it's the same chip found in the PlayBook and maybe they couldn't get the Broadcom one to work properly and needed updated drivers which came in too late.
    Same problem with the Z30. It probably has been on the drawing board for ages and we can only hope that the quad-core version will have the newer Broadcom chip, like on the test board, because you can be sure that all the other suppliers will offer 802.11ac from now on. The chip in the Z30 is what you find in last year's iPhone.
    08-09-13 11:08 AM
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