04-30-14 10:34 PM
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  1. jpvj's Avatar
    I have followed the thread about the SIC "tool" and to be honest I find it [strange / not necessary / waste of time]

    Can anyone provide a technical description of what you would gain by using it? Pls don't write "it works" but explain in *technical terms* what problem it solves and why it works.

    When using an autoloader a new file system is written to the flash memory, and that's all the OS knows off. That should be fine for all users.

    Even if some strange device state could happen and a non default procedure should be followed, it is my personal opinion, that nobody should do anything other than update via OTA, Sachesi or autoloaders.

    When performing an upgrade (non autoloader) a wipe could theoretically make sense if the existing data for some reason conflicts with the update, but erasing the file system several times makes absolutely no sense to me.

    As much as I appreciate all the posts in the forums from users trying to help and support others, a lot of incorrect information and "facts" are shared and suddenly they become the "truth". SIC is IMHO one example until I am convinced otherwise.

    Let's get the debate running ;-)

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    eybee1970, moyah8 and TheRatedR like this.
    04-30-14 07:07 AM
  2. eybee1970's Avatar
    my opinion on that is completely the same...let's see what others can tell us we might not know for now about the 'magic' of using SIC Multiwipe
    04-30-14 08:18 AM
  3. JamieWilson01's Avatar
    I'm with you on that.

    Seems pointless to me.

    Via CB10 from Scotland using Z10STL100-2/10.2.1.2947
    04-30-14 08:30 AM
  4. LP_Rigg's Avatar
    It is to overwrite all the porn on the device to render it unrecoverable

    Posted via CrackBerry app
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    04-30-14 08:53 AM
  5. anon721037's Avatar
    Well I don't know the technical behind it but I have done the SIC wipe, and it work great for me, after I used it, it made my device smoother faster than I have ever seen. I believe what it does is puts your device back to having nothing in it at all so that when you load a new os it's the only thing in there, cause an autoloader does not completely wipe your phone.
    Sorry I'm not technical but I have used this method and stand behind it.

    Posted with my Z30 using the latest leak.
    BoldAlways, Uzi, Sator and 1 others like this.
    04-30-14 08:54 AM
  6. cloudberry's Avatar
    Who cares about technical things when who already perform the multiple wipe really can tell the difference? Back then before SIC I have to charge 3-4 times in a day, now just simple 2 times a day...true story
    anon721037 and Sator like this.
    04-30-14 09:06 AM
  7. gpompeus's Avatar
    for some reason when I used the SIC tool it seemed like the phone was just taken out of a brand new box... I have loaded many leaks with and without wiping from the phone options and know how it seems when I use this tool.... Thanks for this tool
    Sator likes this.
    04-30-14 11:02 AM
  8. moyah8's Avatar
    I am also keen to know the advantages and agree with the OP.

    Well, I have subscribed to the thread to see what info transpires.
    04-30-14 11:06 AM
  9. jpvj's Avatar
    It is to overwrite all the porn on the device to render it unrecoverable

    Posted via CrackBerry app
    But why??? ;-p
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    04-30-14 11:08 AM
  10. R_Lie24's Avatar
    SIC is Amazing
    04-30-14 11:09 AM
  11. jpvj's Avatar
    SIC is Amazing
    Please don't post non-informational comments to keep this thread focused on FACTS only.
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    04-30-14 11:17 AM
  12. Uzi's Avatar
    Please don't post non-informational comments to keep this thread focused on FACTS only.
    so you ignore the fact user who use SIC saying 'amazing'

    why don't you try the tool your self and comment after it?
    fair enough?

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    04-30-14 11:20 AM
  13. cloudberry's Avatar
    Please don't post non-informational comments to keep this thread focused on FACTS only.
    How do u know which one is facts? Seems like u only like to badmouthing about SIC for some strange reason
    04-30-14 11:28 AM
  14. R_Lie24's Avatar
    Is it wrong? if I say "SIC is amazing", after I've used it and feel the advantages

    Posted via CB10
    04-30-14 11:31 AM
  15. deezy87's Avatar
    SIC is Amazing
    It COMPLETELY wipes your ROM, zip! zero, nothing. Lets you to start fresh as well in that sense.

    One hiccup I've had is not deleting any 3rd party apps/games prior to the SIC wipe, other than that it has been smooth sailing
    anon721037 and Sator like this.
    04-30-14 11:31 AM
  16. cloudberry's Avatar
    It COMPLETELY wipes your ROM, zip! zero, nothing. Lets you to start fresh as well in that sense.

    One hiccup I've had is not deleting any 3rd party apps/games prior to the SIC wipe, other than that it has been smooth sailing
    Better keep it mind next time. Save u lotsa time when u deleted the 3rd party
    04-30-14 11:32 AM
  17. Uzi's Avatar
    it has been discussed try to read 1-5 pages
    you will understand
    http://forums.crackberry.com/showthread.php?t=909209

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    04-30-14 11:32 AM
  18. jpvj's Avatar
    so you ignore the fact user who use SIC saying 'amazing'
    Yes I am.
    Pls don't write "it works" but explain in *technical terms* what problem it solves and why it works.

    Fair enough for you? :-)

    why don't you try the tool your self and comment after it?
    fair enough?
    Posted via CB10
    No - not fair enough.
    I do not try woodo, astrology or numerology either. OK?

    Back to the facts:
    The tool is basically a wrapper for the cfp.exe tool provided by BlackBerry. The author has at NO point explained why (from a technical point of view) there should be any advantage of wiping the flash memory (and even MULTIPLE TIMES???). Several of the very trusted people in here has also questioned it in the origianal thread and the only answer was "in our experience...".

    The same can be said about woodo in amongst some people.. (but feel free to try that out too if you believe it works).

    Do you also format your harddrive 5 times before installing you new OS?

    Let's focus on some facts: When you run an autoloader, a new, clean Unix-like filesystem is written to flash memory (hd0 or hd1 as far as I understand). Running the OS from the new filesystem means there are NO references to "old" data (even if they are still present in the flash). When the filesystem allocates new space, it simply overwrites the next non-referenced ("unused") block and it does not matter what was written before.

    I believe the "improved speed" is imagination/placebo. The device runs at the exact same speed and the flash memory is no less fragmented so there are not technical reason for any speed improvement.

    People can do whatever they like, but they should (mostly) do so based on facts. IMHO SIC only takes away some minutes of your life, and you will never get them back :-)
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    04-30-14 12:08 PM
  19. jpvj's Avatar
    it has been discussed try to read 1-5 pages
    you will understand
    SIC Multiwipe BB10, BBOS & PB - clean your device before auto/app loader - BlackBerry Forums at CrackBerry.com

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    Pls. quote one single explanation that will make me understand WHY (not how it works).
    04-30-14 12:09 PM
  20. jpvj's Avatar
    Is it wrong? if I say "SIC is amazing", after I've used it and feel the advantages

    Posted via CB10
    Yes. Because I was asking for a technical explantion.
    I should however have written it as a general reply to the non-technical threads (all so far). Sorry for that.
    04-30-14 12:11 PM
  21. thatplaybookguy's Avatar
    wow for somebody thats never used it, you're awfully judgmental about it.
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    04-30-14 12:30 PM
  22. jpvj's Avatar
    How do u know which one is facts? Seems like u only like to badmouthing about SIC for some strange reason
    Good question really. Thx. for asking.
    Answer:
    First of all I have been working professionally with BlackBerry as a System Integrator for 8 years. I have all certifications (except development) for both legacy and BB10 devices as well as BES 5 and BES 10. I have done a LOT of work with these systems and I am well respected amongst enterprises and govermental institutions. I have done quite a lot of support incidents and worked with T-support to identify and resolve issues for many customers. So I feel I have quite some experience.

    Most important with relation to device related questions: I have a contact within BlackBerry working as a senior technical escalation engineer. If any reasonable explanation is provided, I will ask him to verify it. So far he has shown to be VERY skilled and if does not know the answer, he sure can as somebody else within the organization.

    I have nothing against the author of SIC and I don't know him. He is probably a cool guy with a great passion of BlackBerry. Otherwise he would not have spent so much time on SIC. That does not mean I agree with him.

    I just focus on what is spread on the forum and what I believe is questionable "facts".

    Pls. notice: I did ask for some technical explanations. If something (even remotely possible is provided) I would be happy to revise my perception.
    eybee1970 likes this.
    04-30-14 12:42 PM
  23. jpvj's Avatar
    wow for somebody thats never used it, you're awfully judgmental about it.
    That's true ;-)

    Posted via CB10
    04-30-14 12:49 PM
  24. moyah8's Avatar
    wow for somebody thats never used it, you're awfully judgemental about it.
    I don't find the their approach judgemental.

    I believe that like many things, they are just questioning what's in it for their device, which is not already covered via an autoloader. As stated in their OP.

    I see the OP just seeking explanation as to what this Sic does.

    I.E; if you where to recommend a program to zero level format a hard drive as opposed to just formatting it via the normal command; one could then state that the new method (zero level format) renders the information un-retrievable by writing several times over the information.

    So, come on... I am sure the OP is not being rude or saying that Sic is a bad thing... they just want more information on its use and value.

    Knowledge is power.
    HotFix likes this.
    04-30-14 02:50 PM
  25. deezy87's Avatar
    I don't find the their approach judgemental.

    I believe that like many things, they are just questioning what's in it for their device, which is not already covered via an autoloader. As stated in their OP.

    I see the OP just seeking explanation as to what this Sic does.

    I.E; if you where to recommend a program to zero level format a hard drive as opposed to just formatting it via the normal command; one could then state that the new method (zero level format) renders the information un-retrievable by writing several times over the information.

    So, come on... I am sure the OP is not being rude or saying that Sic is a bad thing... they just want more information on its use and value.

    Knowledge is power.
    Okay....SIC, and the people within this 'circle' kinda know what they're doing...I've been ******* with their hybrids [BerryLicio.us] for a while on legacy days. One of the chefs who have cooked SIC recommended to 'nuke' the device, prior to loading the OS [7.1 OS with their BerryLicio.us hybrid mixture] Been doing that and haven't noticed any ill effects whatsoever.

    I trust these guys.
    04-30-14 03:11 PM
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