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  1. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    I have been using BlackBerry since 2006, and I was so disappointed with BlackBerry 10 OS.

    I got my passport not long time, before that, I use BlackBerry Z10, I tried every leaked and official OS, but some of the interactions seems not running smoothly, I thought that might caused by low CPU and RAM, that's why I changed to BlackBerry Passport which has a over 2ghz CPU, and a 3GB RAM.

    But still I found nothing has been improved, UI transitions and interactions are weigh far from smooth, Look at android and iOS, they have been improving ever since they release a update, I can't see these changes on BlackBerry OS.....For my understanding, it's just about UI transitions, why does BlackBerry team ignore those imperative changes.


    I can show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI transitions.. For example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, the reaction seems like in a slow pace compared with those highend Android devices.

    When you delete an app or toggle down the wifi setting, look at the pop up window transition. is that called smooth?

    There are several places where the performance needs to be improved. Another is opening text messages. The screen sometimes goes berzerk when opening a text, or just sending a new one. These have been present for a while, since the 10.0 days.

    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, the UI transitions not gonna work as poor as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.

    UPDATE FROM #118 what claneyy said:
    Anyone claiming everything's running fluidly should get their 'real world eyes framerate' checked. Maybe you need to get an iPhone 6 and do a side-by-side to help collaborate what fluidity actually looks like (not comparing the newer hardware but actually learning what smooth looks like...).

    I can see you defending the progress but at the same if you claim this experience is super smooth you need first world help. I love my blackberry but I'm tired of seeing children doing amazing tasks with blistering speeds on their iPhones while here I am with a business tier (marketed as) phone and can barely do microsoft paint level operations in a timely manner.

    I personally believe my problems arise from major cpu throttling, for that coveted "battery life"; I don't cripple my laptop just for battery life unless I absolutely must, but my phone behaves as if a computer that had everything throttled & crippled just to further a claim that needs an asterisk;

    **battery life comes from crippling user experience, forcibly diming the disply, undermining the cpu, etc-- to give state of the art battery life...** this philosophy is like a diet where you lose weight by not eating and starving yourself to get the results...

    Again, some people may need to collaborate what smooth looks like, if your claiming everything is super smooth, lets start from the beginning. Take your finger and swipe back and forth on your icons on your home page, and if you call what you see, in sync with your finger... then please visit an eye doctor, or consult with an English teacher because you don't know the meaning of smooth in regards to fluidity.

    Yes there are many many things to love about the phone and be excited for in the future, but no one wants to use slow \ sluggish technology... That's like one of the key statements of a good engineering team is fast and efficient software. No one likes to use slow anything. The faster it is, the better it is... why bother trying to argue that slow is good when you know it's not?

    If you're okay with slow and like to move slowly and not fly through tasks then that's you--but for me every second matters when it comes to productivity. That's why I like hardware keyboards, they're the fastest. Unfortunately performing tasks on my blackberry doesn't tell the same story. And I'm making a big deal of this because I hope they aren't seriously ignoring engineering for speed because they might be as some of you clearly are.

    All in all, I'm not saying it's the slowest thing ever; but it's arguably the slowest current gen product out there.
    Last edited by Blackberrychen; 12-16-14 at 02:23 AM.
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    12-12-14 01:58 AM
  2. Vampiro's Avatar
    Euhm, can you explain or even show what exactly is not working at least as smooth as on android or ios devices ?

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    12-12-14 02:13 AM
  3. Toaibou Traore's Avatar
    Are you joking? BB10 is one of the smoothest mobile operating system.. maybe you are very unlucky and keep purchasing bad devices.. that's the only explanation I see :s

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    12-12-14 02:15 AM
  4. claneyy's Avatar
    I can definitely testify that scrolling through large amounts of photos has been problematic & even impossible on every release of bb10 I've used. (Official 10.2-10.3 latests) and this is something that should be essential to any engineering team.

    Like who releases an Operating System that can't deal with large amounts of photos? Makes you feel as if you aren't allowed to store too many images on your phone despite having the large storage space to do so.

    This is something that's completely behind Android and iOS and it is extremely essential as well as demonstrative of how undeveloped, un-optimized, or unequipped the OS is.

    *in before "you have poor SD cards, faulty configs", & "it's somehow all your own fault" comments*
    12-12-14 02:21 AM
  5. Gearheadaddy's Avatar
    IOS and Android took 5 years after their introduction to run smoothly. BlackBerry 10 is still in its second year. Things take time to develop. Be patient. It will improve. BlackBerry 10 has come a long way in a short time.
    I too had an early BlackBerry. In fact I had a few. My 8330 and 8530 Curves were good. BlackBerry 10 (my Z10's) is better.
    All platforms have taken time to get better as applications develop for them.

    Crackberry Genius on Verizon 10.3.1.1154
    12-12-14 02:23 AM
  6. plugin's Avatar
    I have been using BlackBerry since 2006, and I was so disappointed with BlackBerry 10 OS.

    I got my passport not long time, before that, I use BlackBerry Z10, I tried every leaked and official OS, but some of the interactions seems not running smoothly, I thought that might caused by low CPU and RAM, that's why I changed to BlackBerry Passport which has a over 2ghz CPU, and a 3GB RAM.

    But still I found nothing has been improved, interactions are weigh far from smooth, Look at android and iOS, they have been improving ever since they release a update, I can't see these changes on BlackBerry OS.....For my understanding, it's just about UI interactions, why does BlackBerry team ignore those imperative changes.

    BlackBerry 10 needs some UI changes......
    Blackberrychen, I'm sorry to hear about your less than satisfying experience with BB 10 Hardware and OS. Although leaked versions "may" correct some of the annoyances that bother you, I think that you will get much better feedback on your issues and perhaps more adequate guidance on the Passport forum than here in the leaked OS forum.

    Most of us are willing to accept a great deal of "beta-ish" performance from the leaks that are sometimes provided here, in exchange of previewing some of the upcoming features of future official O.S releases.

    In that sense, please, by all means, if you can find an OS release around here that takes care of your issues, that will be great and there are lots of helpful members willing to provide guidance with several matters regarding the installation of beta software. However, as I said before, I think you might find quicker answers and possibly fixes in the Passport forum. Its an awesome device.
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    12-12-14 02:25 AM
  7. Vampiro's Avatar

    *in before "you have poor SD cards, faulty configs", & "it's somehow all your own fault" comments*
    So DO You have a SD card with low transfer data rate ? :P

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    12-12-14 02:25 AM
  8. Dodger52's Avatar
    I have been using BlackBerry since 2006, and I was so disappointed with BlackBerry 10 OS.

    I got my passport not long time, before that, I use BlackBerry Z10, I tried every leaked and official OS, but some of the interactions seems not running smoothly, I thought that might caused by low CPU and RAM, that's why I changed to BlackBerry Passport which has a over 2ghz CPU, and a 3GB RAM.

    But still I found nothing has been improved, interactions are weigh far from smooth, Look at android and iOS, they have been improving ever since they release a update, I can't see these changes on BlackBerry OS.....For my understanding, it's just about UI interactions, why does BlackBerry team ignore those imperative changes.

    BlackBerry 10 needs some UI changes......
    I have no idea what it is you are talking about BB10 is buttery smooth for me.
    Maybe you could create and post a video which illustrates the problem you seem to be experiencing?

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    12-12-14 02:26 AM
  9. mvpcrossxover's Avatar
    Well, use android and apple in their second year and come back to us.

    OS not being smooth.......
    First world problems........

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    12-12-14 02:29 AM
  10. claneyy's Avatar
    I don't, I'm talking built in internal storage and all; it's just an all around scenario of the more storage you use, the more you will be punished by slow file manager speeds, pathetic scrolling, glitches etc.

    And I'm not even talking about extreme usage. I'm talking typical active college student amounts of photos; absolutely regular usage just deteriorates the complete performance of all file managing, browsing operations over time unless you remove files.

    It's the reason your phones feel good coming off fresh installs, but over time it's slowing down significantly; because it's not optimized to take care of & sort through large amounts of files efficiently enough.

    This is a general finding I've noticed (well its hard to miss) from long term usage, good luck getting to photo #1,200 without serious difficulty.

    Ps
    I have 3,900 photos on this current release, and that's after removing anything older than 3 months over and over, otherwise I'd have like 12,000 photos; and this number is nothing compared to people in the 16-24 age range these days; and if you don't believe we save photos at these high rates I dare you to look up any forum or questionnaire asking people how many photos they have in their ios camera rolls.

    Also I'm not eveeeeeen talking about large heavy resolution images like I'd take with my camera, I'm talking mostly 86kb twitter pictures and what not, can't even scroll through the previous month without heavy unusable fatigue & glitching

    I would upload photo number 1,200 of 6k, but the way my blackberry is set up, I might as well just forget about it cause it's totally lost in my mere 500 mb of photos. Well I could spend my night looking for it I guess, but who has that kind of time to dig out a funny picture in the middle of texting a hot girl? #PunishedForStoring

    Attachment 320231
    Edit: found it cause I have nothing better to do atm, but still, was NOT a smooth walk in a park.
    Last edited by claneyy; 12-12-14 at 02:51 AM.
    12-12-14 02:33 AM
  11. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    I have no idea what it is you are talking about BB10 is buttery smooth for me.
    Maybe you could create and post a video which illustrates the problem you seem to be experiencing?

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    I will show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI interactions.. For example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, the reaction seems like in a slow pace compared with those highend Android devices.

    When you delete a message, look at the pop up window speed. is that called smooth?

    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, it's not gonna work as slow as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.
    12-12-14 03:14 AM
  12. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    IOS and Android took 5 years after their introduction to run smoothly. BlackBerry 10 is still in its second year. Things take time to develop. Be patient. It will improve. BlackBerry 10 has come a long way in a short time.
    I too had an early BlackBerry. In fact I had a few. My 8330 and 8530 Curves were good. BlackBerry 10 (my Z10's) is better.
    All platforms have taken time to get better as applications develop for them.

    Crackberry Genius on Verizon 10.3.1.1154
    I agree with you, but for a business world, time won't wait your product to be mature. BlackBerry has to step up their effort.
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    12-12-14 03:16 AM
  13. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    I can definitely testify that scrolling through large amounts of photos has been problematic & even impossible on every release of bb10 I've used. (Official 10.2-10.3 latests) and this is something that should be essential to any engineering team.

    Like who releases an Operating System that can't deal with large amounts of photos? Makes you feel as if you aren't allowed to store too many images on your phone despite having the large storage space to do so.

    This is something that's completely behind Android and iOS and it is extremely essential as well as demonstrative of how undeveloped, un-optimized, or unequipped the OS is.

    *in before "you have poor SD cards, faulty configs", & "it's somehow all your own fault" comments*
    Agree.
    12-12-14 03:17 AM
  14. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    Euhm, can you explain or even show what exactly is not working at least as smooth as on android or ios devices ?

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    I will show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI interactions, how dare you not seeing those problems... for example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, dont' you see those slow actions movement?

    When you delete a message, look at the pop up window speed. is that called smooth?

    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, it's not gonna work as slow as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.
    12-12-14 03:17 AM
  15. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    Are you joking? BB10 is one of the smoothest mobile operating system.. maybe you are very unlucky and keep purchasing bad devices.. that's the only explanation I see :s

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    I will show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI interactions, how dare you not seeing those problems... for example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, dont' you see those slow actions movement?

    When you delete a message, look at the pop up window speed. is that called smooth?

    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, it's not gonna work as slow as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.
    12-12-14 03:18 AM
  16. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    Well, use android and apple in their second year and come back to us.

    OS not being smooth.......
    First world problems........

    Posted via CB10
    I will show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI interactions, how dare you not seeing those problems... for example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, dont' you see those slow actions movement?

    When you delete a message, look at the pop up window speed. is that called smooth?


    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, it's not gonna work as slow as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.
    12-12-14 03:18 AM
  17. buwee's Avatar
    I have been using BlackBerry since 2006, and I was so disappointed with BlackBerry 10 OS.

    I got my passport not long time, before that, I use BlackBerry Z10, I tried every leaked and official OS, but some of the interactions seems not running smoothly, I thought that might caused by low CPU and RAM, that's why I changed to BlackBerry Passport which has a over 2ghz CPU, and a 3GB RAM.

    But still I found nothing has been improved, interactions are weigh far from smooth, Look at android and iOS, they have been improving ever since they release a update, I can't see these changes on BlackBerry OS.....For my understanding, it's just about UI interactions, why does BlackBerry team ignore those imperative changes.

    BlackBerry 10 needs some UI changes......


    I will show you the evidence through comparison between BlackBerry 10 and Android and iOS. I'm not talking about the running speed for an app like games, that's completely no problem for me, the problems I mentioned is that the UI interactions.. For example, when you open settings, change your quick settings, the reaction seems like in a slow pace compared with those highend Android devices.

    When you delete a message, look at the pop up window speed. is that called smooth?

    When you try iphone 5 and high end android devices, it's not gonna work as slow as BlackBerry passport does.

    PS: I have an iPhone 6 plus, Samsung S5, and a BlackBerry passport, BlackBerry bold 9900, BlackBerry Z10.

    My pin is: 2BEBFD0E for BBM
    Android interactions are way smooth? You say you have an S5 - then you should already know how laggy it gets if you don't reboot it every day - same with Note 4 as well as Tab S and they have Exynos Octa core cpu's LOL and before you ask - yes, I do own these devices.
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  18. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    Android interactions are way smooth? You say you have an S5 - then you should already know how laggy it gets if you don't reboot it every day - same with Note 4 as well as Tab S and they have Exynos Octa core cpu's LOL and before you ask - yes, I do own these devices.
    System UI interactions, try high-end android devices or Apple iOS, like Samsung S5, Huawei, HTC, Xiaomi 4...etc..
    12-12-14 03:29 AM
  19. buwee's Avatar
    when you open settings, change your quick settings, dont' you see those slow actions movement?
    No, but I see the stuttering all over the place on my Tab S & Note 4 though. Admittedly, I don't see that on my iPad Air or iPhone's either.
    12-12-14 03:30 AM
  20. Deckard79's Avatar
    BlackBerry 10 is fantastic for a lot of things. The overall experience isn't as smooth as it should be though - agreed.

    The 'flow' (ensuring minimal lag and unresponsiveness) should be a priority in 10.3.1 as I think it's lacking in 10.3. It's been lacking due to a few silly niggling bugs and poor optimisation.

    Fortunately in the leaked 10.3.1 build I'm running there is an improvement. But there needs to be more.

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    12-12-14 03:30 AM
  21. buwee's Avatar
    System UI interactions, try high-end android devices or Apple iOS, like Samsung S5, Huawei, HTC, Xiaomi 4...etc..
    Last time I checked the Note 4 which was only released a month ago and the Tab S are Samsung's flagship high end devices. Basically, the Tab S is the tablet size of your S5 and it lags and stutters like crazy. For me IOS seems to be the only O/S that has no lag but too bad it is such a crappy O/S in every other way.
    12-12-14 03:33 AM
  22. Deckard79's Avatar
    Last time I checked the Note 4 which was only released a month ago and the Tab S are Samsung's flagship high end devices. Basically, the Tab S is the tablet size of your S5 and it lags and stutters like crazy.
    Last Android device I tried also stuttered a lot. Not claiming other devices don't have issues, but that doesn't mean the situation cannot be vastly improved on BB10...

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    12-12-14 03:37 AM
  23. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    No, but I see the stuttering all over the place on my Tab S & Note 4 though. Admittedly, I don't see that on my iPad Air or iPhone's either.
    Let me do the comparisions later.
    12-12-14 03:42 AM
  24. Deckard79's Avatar
    I should add that a friend of mine (quite senior at Qualcomm) mentioned some months ago that a number of problems manufacturers face are in part due to poor driversets and tools provided by Qualcomm themselves. It is one area in which Qualcomm are looking to improve.

    So another thing to keep in mind is that whilst BlackBerry can always fix bugs and optimise, not everything is completely in their control.

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    12-12-14 03:43 AM
  25. Blackberrychen's Avatar
    BlackBerry 10 is fantastic for a lot of things. The overall experience isn't as smooth as it should be though - agreed.

    The 'flow' (ensuring minimal lag and unresponsiveness) should be a priority in 10.3.1 as I think it's lacking in 10.3. It's been lacking due to a few silly niggling bugs and poor optimisation.

    Fortunately in the leaked 10.3.1 build I'm running there is an improvement. But there needs to be more.

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    Can't agree you more on that.
    The reason I post this is because I have been using BB10 for years from the early Dev alpha to the latest Passport, from 10.2.1-10.3 I can't see any changes in terms of "FLOW" which should be the first priority for them.
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    12-12-14 03:44 AM
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