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  1. dejanh's Avatar
    The weather video on this page
    BBC Weather

    and this page
    BBC Weather - More cold weather for the US

    Both appear to be flash and working on my Z10 with 10.3.1.1151.
    Those are HTML5.

    Posted via CB10
    11-19-14 10:34 AM
  2. conite's Avatar
    The weather video on this page
    BBC Weather

    and this page
    BBC Weather - More cold weather for the US

    Both appear to be flash and working on my Z10 with 10.3.1.1151.
    Dude, you DO NOT HAVE FLASH. Period. It is gone on 10.3.1 and beyond. Full stop.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-19-14 10:40 AM
  3. 1magine's Avatar
    On the PC those sites register as Flash video.
    11-19-14 11:20 AM
  4. Asvertus's Avatar
    Deactivate flash in your browser and look again.

    Posted via CB10 on Z30 (10.3.1.1151)
    11-19-14 12:54 PM
  5. 1magine's Avatar
    I did - that's why I commented. I use Chrome with Flash block. The little F popped up in the video box. When I enabled Flash, it began to play. Maybe the mobile site uses HTML and the PC site uses flash?
    11-19-14 12:57 PM
  6. Asvertus's Avatar
    OK that's strange.


    Flash Usefulness-img_20141119_200050.png

    This Screenshot was taken in CB10.
    The site opens in CB10 and the stream runs.


    Flash Usefulness-img_20141119_200056.png

    This Screenshot was the same site, opened in the native Webbrowser.

    ????????

    Has the CB10 app flash support?


    Posted via CB10 on Z30 (10.3.1.1151)
    11-19-14 01:05 PM
  7. 1magine's Avatar
    I'm told that earlier browser bars can be loaded onto 10.3.1. I have not tried. This would alleviate some of the problems of 10.3.1.
    11-19-14 01:09 PM
  8. conite's Avatar
    I'm told that earlier browser bars can be loaded onto 10.3.1. I have not tried. This would alleviate some of the problems of 10.3.1.
    This is incorrect. The browser is actually mostly contained in the OS itself. The browser bar file is essentially just a UI.


    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-19-14 01:13 PM
  9. 1magine's Avatar
    Thanks. That is exactly what I recall. Someone just recently said that the 10.2.1 developer OS browser bar would work on 10.3.1. Apparently that individual is full of fudge.
    11-19-14 01:22 PM
  10. D3C0D3R's Avatar
    Dude, you DO NOT HAVE FLASH. Period. It is gone on 10.3.1 and beyond. Full stop.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    You do know that that has yet to be confirmed, right? For all we know OS10.3.1 have all been leaks or half-baked versions...

    We could very well see Flash, we may not.

    We won't know until official release and a comment from BlackBerry.

    Praise be unto our Lord Squircle | Passport SQW100-1/10.3.0.1418
    11-19-14 01:59 PM
  11. anon(5818411)'s Avatar
    I think if I were to get the passport I'd want to change my browser to Desktop mode but on desktop mode almost everything is flash.

    Posted via CB10
    11-20-14 11:00 AM
  12. GPuba's Avatar
    Flash Usefulness-img_20141120_121217_edit.png
    Flash Usefulness-img_20141120_121243_edit.png

    It seems as though FLASH is on his way out.

    Z30STA100-3/10.3.1.1151
    11-20-14 11:15 AM
  13. 1magine's Avatar
    Adobe's Mobile Flash Pullback Puts Android Tablet Makers in Tough Spot - Ina Fried - Mobile - AllThingsD
    RIM, for its part, says it has licensed Adobe’s source code and plans to continue supporting Flash on the PlayBook and BB10 devices. “As an Adobe source code licensee, we will continue to work on and release our own implementations. RIM remains committed to delivering an uncompromised Web browsing experience to our customers, including native support for Adobe Flash Player on our BlackBerry PlayBook tablet (similar to a desktop PC browser), as well as HTML5 support on both our BlackBerry smartphone and PlayBook browsers” ...

    I imagine that BBRY may no longer have a license to develop and release their own implementation of Flash in the browser. Or as others have hinted at, BB has decided it's no longer worth the cost to license and develop for their browser. I guess I can't blame them - - there are really so few developers that want to develop for BB nowadays. They are just going with the flow and sending a clear signal to the rest of the world. BB10 is too much effort to develop for, for too little reward.
    11-20-14 11:18 AM
  14. conite's Avatar
    I think the message is more along the lines of not wanting to straight-jacket themselves with having to continue working their OS/browser around a technology that has disappeared from the mobile space entirely.

    If the numbers warranted it, I'm sure they would have continued to do so at great cost, but I'm sure they've done the math.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-20-14 11:59 AM
  15. sclift's Avatar
    I personally love having flash. Now it seems that every time I browse the Web I'm running into "this device isn't supported by flash" or something similar. I know html5 is the future but flash is now.

    Posted via CB10
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    11-20-14 04:18 PM
  16. osi68's Avatar
    Well I hope that when the official OS is released that Flash player is in it. When I watch live Drag Racing live feed they use Flash.

    Posted via CB10
    11-20-14 09:08 PM
  17. dejanh's Avatar
    I think the message is more along the lines of not wanting to straight-jacket themselves with having to continue working their OS/browser around a technology that has disappeared from the mobile space entirely.

    If the numbers warranted it, I'm sure they would have continued to do so at great cost, but I'm sure they've done the math.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

    Posted via CB10
    11-21-14 05:41 PM
  18. D3C0D3R's Avatar
    You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

    Posted via CB10
    Just saying here, from the responses of people actually running leaks, if they in fact do remove Flash, there will be a lot of outraged customers who rely on it.

    Yes it may be the future, but now we need Flash and it's a great perk that differentiates them from the competition.

    There's not a chance they'll be able to fly it under the radar.

    Praise be unto our Lord Squircle | Passport SQW100-1/10.3.0.1418
    11-21-14 08:55 PM
  19. conite's Avatar
    You keep saying this as though it's a fact. They aren't working anything around a technology that's disappeared. For starters, the technology has not only "not disappeared", it is in fact very much alive and kicking and will be for a long time. This is purely a cost saving measure. You won't see any better browsers or OS as a result of discontinuation of Flash development. In fact, you won't see anything. I'd be surprised if BlackBerry even mentioned that they killed Flash off. I bet they try to fly it under the radar.

    Posted via CB10
    Arrrgh. Yes, desktop flash continues, but mobile flash was discontinued by Adobe themselves in 2011. So in the mobile space, it is a 3 year old technology. It is expensive and difficult to program around.

    I'm sure they have a better handle than you on the number of flash users out there. Obviously they feel that continued support is not warranted.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-21-14 11:21 PM
  20. eyesopen1111's Avatar
    Arrrgh. Yes, desktop flash continues, but mobile flash was discontinued by Adobe themselves in 2011. So in the mobile space, it is a 3 year old technology. It is expensive and difficult to program around.

    I'm sure they have a better handle than you on the number of flash users out there. Obviously they feel that continued support is not warranted.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    Let's focus. The issue is the ease and degree to which BB10 devices can play flash content on the many, many websites that still, to this day, contain flash content. I just flew to D.C. on Southwest Airlines and the free inflight TV entertainment required a flash-capable device. My Z30 handled it with no problems. Plus, I can watch Amazon Prime movies using the mobile browser with flash. Just two recent examples of a business traveler's use of flash.

    What about Conite's (oft repeated) statement that Adobe stopping development of flash in 2011? Let's settle this: BlackBerry has continued development of flash after that date, so Flash has been developed, by BlackBerry, much more recently. Flash works great on 10.3.0.14XX, a very recent OS build, so please give me a break with the 2011 routine. The point is that there is still flash content out there, and that the existing flash solution, at least in 10.3.0.14XX, is working great and should be made available to BlackBerry customers who wish to use 10.3.1.

    This Flash-gate issue is responsible for now being the first time since I've had a BlackBerry that I haven't loaded the most recent leaked OS. It certainly makes a difference to me and to many others.

    My hope is that Chen will do what is necessary to have flash back in 10.3.1 by the time the Classic launches in December. Perhaps he saved a month or two by waiting until December to re-license the flash source code. Just so long as he gets flash back on the latest OS, Chen and I could be cool.


    Z-30 / STA100-5 / 10.3.0.1418 / T-Mobile USA
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    11-22-14 01:07 AM
  21. conite's Avatar
    Like I said before, this is about the math. Compare the license fees and ongoing development costs against the estimate of lost revenues (related to people who would leave the platform if Flash was removed).

    People think I am against Flash. Hardly. All else being equal, of course I would love it if they kept it provided it does not compromise OS/browser development going forward in other ways.

    I also want BlackBerry to make sound financial decisions. I assume they have a better handle on the figures than any of us do.

    On a side note, I don't think we should get too carried away about how the BlackBerry Flash fork has been evolving. Adobe had dozens of software architects, engineers and coders in its mobile flash unit before it got disbanded in 2011. I couldn't imagine BlackBerry having more than one or two guys dedicated to flash. I think "development" is better described as "managing to keep it running". They have been quite effective so far. Perhaps they are now starting to hit some technical hurdles that are becoming more and more difficult (expensive) to overcome. Maybe that's why this has come to a head.

    I'm just having a good natured discussion here folks. Enjoying all the points of view. It makes it tough when none of us really have many facts to go on. It would be awesome if someone from BlackBerry (preferably in browser development) would tell us something.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    Last edited by conite; 11-22-14 at 07:14 AM.
    11-22-14 05:43 AM
  22. dbeir's Avatar
    I'm on 10.3.0.738. I keep getting messages to upload to 938. I'm resisting because I do want to lose flash on my passport.

    Posted via CB10
    11-22-14 08:30 AM
  23. D3C0D3R's Avatar
    I'm on 10.3.0.738. I keep getting messages to upload to 938. I'm resisting because I do want to lose flash on my passport.

    Posted via CB10
    You won't lose Flash on 10.3.0.938. You lose flash if you move to any of the 10.3.1 leaks, and those alone.

    All official builds so far have always had Flash, and it's still unconfirmed if the official 10.3.1 drop will have Flash or not.

    Praise be unto our Lord Squircle | Passport SQW100-1/10.3.0.1418
    11-22-14 09:34 AM
  24. dbeir's Avatar
    Thanks, will update now.

    Posted via CB10
    11-22-14 01:33 PM
  25. eyesopen1111's Avatar
    ...

    People think I am against Flash. Hardly. All else being equal, of course I would love it if they kept it provided it does not compromise OS/browser development going forward in other ways.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    Glad we all agree on the desirability of flash! We may need a "Save BlackBerry Flash support" campaign.

    I sincerely hope that flash returns ASAP. I haven't heard a single shred of evidence that there are browser development issues involved in the current absence of flash on the 10.3.1 builds.

    Heck, the browser hasn't changed noticeably in recent memory and certainly not in the last several builds. I'd be happy with the flash support that's present in the 10.3.0.14XX browser. The browser development produced by BlackBerry up to that version has been equal to the task, and results are all that matters to me.

    Could it be money? Is Chen trying to save cash with this move? This is my primary suspect. Maybe he could sell more stickers or whatever to raise the cash.

    All I can say is that BlackBerry is not offering enough value to even think about marching back what few advantages it offers to customers. The competition is simply too fierce.

    Z-30 / STA100-5 / 10.3.0.1418 / T-Mobile USA
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    11-22-14 05:57 PM
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