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  1. dejanh's Avatar
    Go to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/

    If you are running 10.2.2.1531 for instance, it will say you are running Flash v11,1,121,199.

    BlackBerry is roughly keeping up with security patches to v11, but not paralleling Adobe's desktop development which currently resides at v15.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1016
    Once again, this is incorrect information. BlackBerry effectively forked Flash when Adobe siezed the development. BlackBerry version of Flash has no relationship to the version of Flash running on the desktop. Aside from the security patches, BlackBerry has also been ensuring that Flash for BlackBerry devices stays as current as they can keep it to ensure maximum compatibility. They in fact did a pretty good job of this because very few sites would ever report an incompatible version of Flash, and when they do, the next OS release took care of it.

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    11-13-14 03:29 AM
  2. jhimmel's Avatar
    Just got serious up in here. Tried to watch "The Good Wife" on CBS.com and couldn't because they use flash.

    :|

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    Install the CBS app from BBW. Is your show there? I opened the app and see the full episode from 11-2. Is that different from what's on the Web site?

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    11-13-14 05:41 AM
  3. niss63's Avatar
    Install the CBS app from BBW. Is your show there? I opened the app and see the full episode from 11-2. Is that different from what's on the Web site?

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    Yes, it is different. The app works fine, but the shows lag about 2 weeks behind the air date, while the site lags about a week behind (for most shows ; some are less while others are more).

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    11-13-14 06:55 AM
  4. conite's Avatar
    Once again, this is incorrect information. BlackBerry effectively forked Flash when Adobe siezed the development. BlackBerry version of Flash has no relationship to the version of Flash running on the desktop. Aside from the security patches, BlackBerry has also been ensuring that Flash for BlackBerry devices stays as current as they can keep it to ensure maximum compatibility. They in fact did a pretty good job of this because very few sites would ever report an incompatible version of Flash, and when they do, the next OS release took care of it.

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    I guess we're not going to agree on this.

    BlackBerry Flash still flags itself as version 11 despite whatever tweaks you purport have been made, and I've found its performance entirely consistent with my Android device running Firefox with the Flash v11 plug in.


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    11-13-14 07:12 AM
  5. D3C0D3R's Avatar
    I guess we're not going to agree on this.

    BlackBerry Flash still flags itself as version 11 despite whatever tweaks you purport have been made, and I've found its performance entirely consistent with my Android device running Firefox with the Flash v11 plug in.


    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1016
    The version flag probably won't every change if the above is true about BlackBerry having their own updates in it to keep it up to date. The last official branch from Adobe will probably stay as the version number for development reasons (so if someone is comparing versions they don't think a newer BlackBerry version has relation to a newer desktop version)

    That's my guess at this :P

    Praise be unto our Lord Squircle | Passport SQW100-1/10.3.0.1418
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    11-13-14 12:37 PM
  6. jhimmel's Avatar
    Yes, it is different. The app works fine, but the shows lag about 2 weeks behind the air date, while the site lags about a week behind (for most shows ; some are less while others are more).

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    Oh, okay. Was worth a shot.

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    11-13-14 06:22 PM
  7. imatthebridge's Avatar
    Wait, what? Is this a thread of people discussing the use of their fav porn site?

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    11-14-14 06:00 AM
  8. niss63's Avatar
    Wait, what? Is this a thread of people discussing the use of their fav porn site?

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    Wait, what? Flash is used in porn sites?

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    11-14-14 06:11 AM
  9. Traxxmy's Avatar
    Wait, what? Is this a thread of people discussing the use of their fav porn site?

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    Flash is mostly use to view videos and porn is one of the site that use flash the most.

    Symbian is still and always my favourite Os. Nokia 808. FilePLAY Music Player
    11-14-14 07:34 AM
  10. dejanh's Avatar
    I guess we're not going to agree on this.

    BlackBerry Flash still flags itself as version 11 despite whatever tweaks you purport have been made, and I've found its performance entirely consistent with my Android device running Firefox with the Flash v11 plug in.


    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1016
    There's nothing to agree on. You're getting stuck on a version number and I'm telling you that the version number isn't relevant because BlackBerry forked Flash development back in 2011 and has been updating it since both for security and for compatibility. This is very much unlike the Android Flash version which has been frozen in time in the state it was in when Adobe discontinued development of mobile Flash. While I don't doubt that the implementation works for you, it is not nearly as good as BlackBerry version.

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    11-14-14 12:29 PM
  11. Gearheadaddy's Avatar
    I am on 10.3.1.1016 I have flash support still in the browser.
    I personally would like to know how you have something (Flash in the Browser) when it is not there for ALL the rest of the world on a Z10 on 10.3.1.1016!
    Either you really don't have it or you are on a lower 10.3.1 os.
    Which is it?
    Be honest.
    Really.
    C'mon man.

    Crackberry Genius on Verizon 10.3.1.1016
    11-14-14 01:27 PM
  12. Gearheadaddy's Avatar
    So as not to hamper development of our own browser, I would rather leave it clean. That would also get BlackBerry out of the whole licensing thing as a bonus.

    I think those who are desperate for Flash can be made happy by a third party browser.

    I myself have found Photon Browser to work very well. Alternatively, maybe a Dev out there can make use of the Android Mobile Flash 11 apk, and write a down-and-dirty Android browser specifically meant for us bb10 users. I find Firefox a bit too bulky and has too many bells and whistles for basic streaming.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1016
    Having Flash in another browser doesn't work if THE OS DOES NOT SUPPORT IT!


    Crackberry Genius on Verizon 10.3.1.1016
    11-14-14 01:28 PM
  13. conite's Avatar
    Having Flash in another browser doesn't work if THE OS DOES NOT SUPPORT IT!


    Crackberry Genius on Verizon 10.3.1.1016
    Not true. I'm on 10.3.1, and mobile Flash v11 works perfectly fine (such as it is) in the Android Runtime.

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    11-14-14 01:31 PM
  14. conite's Avatar
    There's nothing to agree on. You're getting stuck on a version number and I'm telling you that the version number isn't relevant because BlackBerry forked Flash development back in 2011 and has been updating it since both for security and for compatibility. This is very much unlike the Android Flash version which has been frozen in time in the state it was in when Adobe discontinued development of mobile Flash. While I don't doubt that the implementation works for you, it is not nearly as good as BlackBerry version.

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    Then let's just say I'm underwhelmed by the development of the BlackBerry fork. As I indicated, it still purports itself to be v11 to any website that asks (which can result in an immediate rejection), and I haven't noticed any performance or compatibility differences compared to Firefox running mobile flash 11 on Android.

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    11-14-14 01:35 PM
  15. conite's Avatar
    Double post
    11-14-14 01:44 PM
  16. dejanh's Avatar
    Then let's just say I'm underwhelmed by the development of the BlackBerry fork. As I indicated, it still purports itself to be v11 to any website that asks (which can result in an immediate rejection), and I haven't noticed any performance or compatibility differences compared to Firefox running mobile flash 11 on Android.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1016
    The differences are night and day if you frequent Flash heavy sites. I use both Android and BlackBerry 10 platforms extensively and I gave up on Flash on Android completely. BlackBerry 10 worked fantastic and still does.

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    11-14-14 03:58 PM
  17. wojt7's Avatar
    Flash usefulness? That graphics below couldn't explain it better. I was nearly led to believe Flash is dead by listening to all the "experts" here. Lol.
    The part about corporate use of flash is especially funny now with BlackBerry new efforts into corporate market.
    Attached Thumbnails Flash Usefulness-flash_vs_html5_infograph_v2.png  
    11-16-14 05:01 AM
  18. conite's Avatar
    Flash usefulness? That graphics below couldn't explain it better. I was nearly led to believe Flash is dead by listening to all the "experts" here. Lol.
    The part about corporate use of flash is especially funny now with BlackBerry new efforts into corporate market.
    I have never argued that Flash was dead. It seems alive and well on desktops.

    The problem is that Adobe themselves stopped development of mobile Flash in 2011.

    There are good arguments on both sides as to whether BlackBerry should continue to pay licencing fees to Adobe and continue to pay its own development team to keep the old bird working when everyone else in the mobile space has moved on.

    Some say there is a good opportunity for BlackBerry here, and others argue that there aren't enough flash diehards to warrant the cost.

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    11-16-14 08:38 AM
  19. Blue Hef's Avatar
    .....

    I'm not upgrading software if flash doesn't work.

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    11-19-14 06:47 AM
  20. Patman1200's Avatar
    I upgraded to 1151 and now Flash works on the BBC website. No switch to turn it on and off though.
    11-19-14 07:20 AM
  21. conite's Avatar
    I upgraded to 1151 and now Flash works on the BBC website. No switch to turn it on and off though.
    OS has no flash, so it ain't flash.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-19-14 07:21 AM
  22. conite's Avatar
    .....

    I'm not upgrading software if flash doesn't work.

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    Then you will stuck on your current OS forever. Look into alternatives instead, like Photon Browser.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    11-19-14 07:32 AM
  23. robsteve's Avatar
    One of the problems with the HTML5 feeds is they don't tend to have the quality for HDMI output to a TV. It seems a lot of these feeds are intended for phones or tablets with smaller screens. When you hit the full screen option, the quality is awful. With flash, it seem to match the quality to the screen size.

    For example, when the Breeders cup was on a few weeks ago, we didn't have cable TV where we were and we tried it via the website. It had a free live stream, which was flash. We got this to work on my Passport and then used the Slimport to TV. It worked. Meanwhile I tried the site on a PlayBook. The flash site was very slow to load and gave an option of another feed, which I assumed was HTML5. This stream worked, but was pretty small. Eventually I got the PlayBook working on Flash, hooked it to the TV and went full screen, high def.

    Home | breederscup.com

    This was not my only experience where I have seen non-Flash options and they were of lower quality than the Flash options. In addition, some of the Apps, such as the one for Bell, will disable HDMI output because they do not want you streaming it to a TV, just on the phone.

    The loss of flash may have more to do with media and licensing. We saw this initially with the PlayBook when some Flash sites (Hulu) were disabled for the PlayBook because their content was not licensed for tablet use. I assume when media is licensed, the licensee, has to choose which transmission methods it wants to license and pay accordingly.
    11-19-14 08:49 AM
  24. Blue Hef's Avatar
    Then you will stuck on your current OS forever. Look into alternatives instead, like Photon Browser.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    Ok, thanks, problem I found was that apps such as firefox on my Sony Z3 the flash runs but it's so poor and nothing like the way it used to run when it was supported, the way flash works currently on my passport is outstanding

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    11-19-14 10:07 AM
  25. Patman1200's Avatar
    OS has no flash, so it ain't flash.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.1.1151
    The weather video on this page
    BBC Weather

    and this page
    BBC Weather - More cold weather for the US

    Both appear to be flash and working on my Z10 with 10.3.1.1151.
    11-19-14 10:45 AM
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