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  1. Wigley458's Avatar
    Not good for beta testers who weren't warned in any way shape or form this would happen. And as such are now stuck on beta OS and can't opt out if they choose too. Unless they go to 10.2.2 which is a sucky os lol and going way way backwards.

    Hmmm. Nice job BlackBerry! NOT! That's not how u treat beta testers. You don't make it so they can't opt out after loading. At least warn them jeez.

    And yes I realize they could send a fix for this. But jeez at this point it would be a big process for some if they had a bricked phone etc etc.

    Just saying.
    Jan125, tw820, Paul86 and 1 others like this.
    04-20-15 03:19 PM
  2. w_scott's Avatar
    What justifies this ?

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    04-20-15 03:21 PM
  3. Konrad Nowak's Avatar
    So 10.2.2 is loaded fine?
    Yes thanks!
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    04-20-15 03:27 PM
  4. DarcyTallGuy's Avatar
    What justifies this ?

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    Probably the changes to Protect where you need your BBID after you wipe your phone. Chances are you could bypass it simply by downgrading to an older OS that didn't recognize the new changes so the only way to prevent that is to prevent downgrades. Alas, they forgot 10.2.2, or had to leave it unblocked for some reason.

    I may have handled it differently, like waited until post-beta to implement, but this is the way BB has done it, so that's what we deal with.
    04-20-15 03:27 PM
  5. thurask's Avatar
    Unless they go to 10.2.2 which is a sucky os lol and going way way backwards.
    If they can.
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    04-20-15 03:39 PM
  6. theninjew's Avatar
    You can re-upgrade to 10.3.2.281 if that one worked for you, just skip 500 for the next one and keep the 281 files to downgrade to that if needed.
    If your on 500, can't you just load 281 files and downgrade after?

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    04-20-15 03:44 PM
  7. alan0ford's Avatar
    Happily Ever After
    04-20-15 03:45 PM
  8. lycan666's Avatar
    Aaah so would you recommend it as a daily driver
    04-20-15 03:45 PM
  9. kbz1960's Avatar
    I noticed protect wasn't on after I loaded this. I did turn it on but if it's hard coded there is no going back now.
    04-20-15 03:47 PM
  10. Lawrie Sherratt's Avatar
    Yes lycan666 I certainly would. After some plus 12 hours all is fine. Not a thought of downgrading.
    04-20-15 03:48 PM
  11. mainely_linux's Avatar
    If your on 500, can't you just load 281 files and downgrade after?

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    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe.../#post11576026
    bungaboy likes this.
    04-20-15 03:56 PM
  12. DarcyTallGuy's Avatar
    If your on 500, can't you just load 281 files and downgrade after?

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    Of course you could do a simple downgrade to 281 (downgrades have their own challenges of course), but if you're really screwed up and there's no options, then not much choice but to use a full autoloader from 10.2.2 and re-upgrade.

    Not saying it's a good option, but it's good to always know your options.

    Edit, for clarification, you can downgrade directly to 281, but even with that, you can't downgrade to 10.3.1. Once the block list is in place you're stuck with it.
    Last edited by DarcyTallGuy; 04-20-15 at 04:38 PM.
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    04-20-15 03:58 PM
  13. Konrad Nowak's Avatar
    The block list will not be removed, that's stored in NVRAM, so unfortunately the device will now be limited to 10.2.2 or 10.3.2+.

    At least if you can get 10.2.2 to install then you can still re-upgrade to 10.3.2
    What about OTA upgrade? I download OS 10.3.1.1784 but does it will work? I don't know if I should wait or install 10.3.2
    04-20-15 04:11 PM
  14. DarcyTallGuy's Avatar
    What about OTA upgrade? I download OS 10.3.1.1784 but does it will work? I don't know if I should wait or install 10.3.2
    Ya know, I've never had occasion to try an OTA upgrade with a blacklist. Theoretically it shouldn't let you, but it could also ignore the list when loading it. But if the list is still in NVRAM then it won't boot up into 10.3.1.1784. Just like you can use CFP to load a blocked OS, but that doesn't mean you can boot it. Basically if you have the chance to try it, go for it. But be prepared to have to re-load 10.2.2 because that's what I'm guessing will happen.
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    04-20-15 04:35 PM
  15. tickerguy's Avatar
    Once that blacklist is in there I don't believe there's a way to remove it..... loading 10.2.2 shouldn't do so.
    04-20-15 04:40 PM
  16. DarcyTallGuy's Avatar
    Once that blacklist is in there I don't believe there's a way to remove it..... loading 10.2.2 shouldn't do so.
    Nope, nothing we have can remove the black list. BlackBerry could, if they were inclined to do so, release a tool to do it like they did for the blue light fix. But they'd have to find some bullet-proof way to limit it so it could only be used say for the next month or something, otherwise it'd defeat the purpose of the blacklist again.

    I should also mention that there could be technical reasons why they do not want people to downgrade. there could be other changes that 10.3.2.500+ do to your device that could cause problems if downgrading.
    04-20-15 04:45 PM
  17. tickerguy's Avatar
    This is especially dangerous if you can't make an autoloader; that's only possible right now for the Passport, yes?

    You could recover back to 10.2.2 for the Z10 series and then upgrade back to 10.3.2, at least in theory...... but if you have a Classic or other device for which there is no 10.2.2 autoloader, and there is also no 10.3.2 autoloader and you bork the device you're screwed.
    04-20-15 05:11 PM
  18. nathan62969's Avatar
    Can someone please clarify:

    If I upgrade (my passport) using the 10.3.2.500 autoloader, do I avoid the blacklist lockout issue (one would trigger by upgrading using the blitz)?
    04-20-15 07:57 PM
  19. masterscarhead1's Avatar
    Can someone please clarify:

    If I upgrade (my passport) using the 10.3.2.500 autoloader, do I avoid the blacklist lockout issue (one would trigger by upgrading using the blitz)?
    Nope. It's the same regardless
    The blacklist in the blitz is also in the autoloader. Both would eventually alter the NVRAM
    However, 10.3.2.500 is really smooth. I don't get why you wold want to downgrade
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    04-20-15 08:38 PM
  20. masterscarhead1's Avatar
    This is especially dangerous if you can't make an autoloader; that's only possible right now for the Passport, yes?

    You could recover back to 10.2.2 for the Z10 series and then upgrade back to 10.3.2, at least in theory...... but if you have a Classic or other device for which there is no 10.2.2 autoloader, and there is also no 10.3.2 autoloader and you bork the device you're screwed.
    I mean in theory if the device is bricked, you could always try to load the autoloader with core OS. It may work, it may not. Depends how bricked it is in the first place
    04-20-15 08:40 PM
  21. masterscarhead1's Avatar
    Ya know, I've never had occasion to try an OTA upgrade with a blacklist. Theoretically it shouldn't let you, but it could also ignore the list when loading it. But if the list is still in NVRAM then it won't boot up into 10.3.1.1784. Just like you can use CFP to load a blocked OS, but that doesn't mean you can boot it. Basically if you have the chance to try it, go for it. But be prepared to have to re-load 10.2.2 because that's what I'm guessing will happen.
    Yah, that's what happens. After you OTA upgrade, upon boot it still checks against the NVRAM. If it's blacklisted, you get absolutely nowhere
    Unlike the PlayBook, BB10 devices don't have a second failsafe partition. In the PlayBook if you brick one partition, one that the NVRAM has blacklisted, or simply a dud OS onto the PB, it will detect it and boot into the failsafe partition, wipe the partition with a problem, and make a copy of the backup partition onto the main partition.
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    04-20-15 08:44 PM
  22. nathan62969's Avatar
    Nope. It's the same regardless
    The blacklist in the blitz is also in the autoloader. Both would eventually alter the NVRAM
    However, 10.3.2.500 is really smooth. I don't get why you wold want to downgrade
    Thank you. Assuming 10.3.2.500 otherwise works just fine, are there any other substantial downsides besides not ever being able to use 10.3.1 again? For example, is there a risk one cannot even upgrade to some future official or "leaked" OS?

    Just want to know all options before taking the leap.
    Last edited by nathan62969; 04-20-15 at 09:14 PM.
    04-20-15 08:56 PM
  23. conite's Avatar
    Thank you. Assuming 10.3.2.500 otherwise works just fine, are there any other substantial downsides besides not ever being able to use 10.3 again? For example, is there a risk one cannot even upgrade to some future official or "leaked" OS?

    Just want to know all options before taking the leap.
    You'll always be able to go forward, just not back. The 10.3.1 and prior streams will no longer be available to you.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.500
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    04-20-15 09:11 PM
  24. nathan62969's Avatar
    You'll always be able to go forward, just not back. The 10.3.1 and prior streams will no longer be available to you.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.500
    Thanks Conite. If you had to do it over again, would you still upgrade to 10.3.2.500? I'm assuming "heck yeah!," but I've appreciated your feedback on a variety of questions before and I just want to be sure it's well worth it before I take the green pill.

    And did you blitz or autoloader?
    trinichindian likes this.
    04-20-15 09:17 PM
  25. conite's Avatar
    Thanks Conite. If you had to do it over again, would you still upgrade to 10.3.2.500? I'm assuming "heck yeah!," but I've appreciated your feedback on a variety of questions before and I just want to be sure it's well worth it before I take the green pill.

    And did you blitz or autoloader?
    I would not consider going back. I'm very happy with this build. Most people seem to be having good luck with it. Mileage may vary though. There's always some risk.

    I upgraded from 10.3.2.281 non-destructively.

    Z30STA100-5/10.3.2.500
    nathan62969 likes this.
    04-20-15 09:23 PM
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