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  1. MobileMadness002's Avatar
    Would someone with a Classic mind giving this a try. The account required is free for personal use, I can even give you my credentials. I use it for personal use and by no means have a medical background. I am loading it myself on 10.3.1.1154 to see myself.

    So if it is problematic on both the Classic and my Z30, then the runtime has changed for the worse in my opinion.
    12-22-14 09:18 PM
  2. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Would someone with a Classic mind giving this a try. The account required is free for personal use, I can even give you my credentials. I use it for personal use and by no means have a medical background. I am loading it myself on 10.3.1.1154 to see myself.

    So if it is problematic on both the Classic and my Z30, then the runtime has changed for the worse in my opinion.
    Or its the app, or more probable it's the not ready for prime time official 1154 OS. If it were truly decent, would someone have released it for the Passport by now?
    12-22-14 10:27 PM
  3. rbtg's Avatar
    if you search 1152 fixes findings you will find two android bar files that you need to sideload from 1016 and that will make all android apps working well . i didn't even try 1154 for one reason there is nothing that is not working on my z10 and battery life it's better then ever
    12-22-14 10:31 PM
  4. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Those bars may help. Didn't help an android issue I had, but a few upgrade/downgrades did. *shrugs*
    12-22-14 10:52 PM
  5. homer1475's Avatar
    Medscape working perfectly fine for me on 1154 and my Passport. Even went so far as to make a bogus acc. to see if the app would behave properly. Been playing with it for the last 20 minutes or so(quite a bit of useful info on there), lags a bit in the animations, but works just fine none the less.
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    12-23-14 06:34 AM
  6. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    So the whole thread is about nuttin'?
    12-23-14 07:37 AM
  7. mrjmc99's Avatar
    Good point... I wonder if Passport / Classic could run 10.2/2.1 OS if it had said radio file... they must have had it running on that in testing back in the start of this year

    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.1016
    I'm pretty sure that the passport uses the wtr5(Z30) radio. So in theory you could probably load 10.2.x but I doubt it would work right since it has buttons that didn't exist when 10.2 came out

    Z30STA100-3/10.3.1.1154
    12-23-14 08:34 AM
  8. Croberry1989's Avatar
    Medscape working perfectly fine for me on 1154 and my Passport. Even went so far as to make a bogus acc. to see if the app would behave properly. Been playing with it for the last 20 minutes or so(quite a bit of useful info on there), lags a bit in the animations, but works just fine none the less.
    Then it's a z30 problem. :-( Gotta get myself a Passport. But how...:-)

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    12-23-14 04:17 PM
  9. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Then it's a z30 problem. :-( Gotta get myself a Passport. But how...:-)

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    Thanks for the inspiration! You don't need anything but a better installed OS. From the screen of my Z30, currently Z30STA100-3/10.3.1.1151.
    Attached Thumbnails Android Runtime in 10.3.1.-img_20141223_152612.png   Android Runtime in 10.3.1.-img_20141223_153245.png  
    12-23-14 04:36 PM
  10. Croberry1989's Avatar
    Thanks for the inspiration! You don't need anything but a better installed OS. From the screen of my Z30, currently Z30STA100-3/10.3.1.1151.
    Oh yes. It works for two days then it crashes on to itself. I always get my hopes up with every new leak.

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    12-24-14 02:30 AM
  11. meltbox360's Avatar
    Whatever they did in the new runtime required a lot of changes because it's a lot faster. Some of those changes broke some compatibility and improved other things. With time it will get better. The February update will probably fix it up nicely.

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    12-24-14 02:39 AM
  12. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Oh yes. It works for two days then it crashes on to itself. I always get my hopes up with every new leak.

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    You didn't mention that. Any further details you can offer?

    Still working well...
    12-24-14 08:09 AM
  13. PostMortem's Avatar
    Whatever they did in the new runtime required a lot of changes because it's a lot faster. Some of those changes broke some compatibility and improved other things. With time it will get better. The February update will probably fix it up nicely.

    Posted via CB10
    I totally agree with this. The updates to the ART have given it a wider range of compatibility with apps and made it faster, but it has been at the cost of some functionality.

    Hopefully it'll be resolved with official or later installments.

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    12-24-14 11:01 AM
  14. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    I totally agree with this. The updates to the ART have given it a wider range of compatibility with apps and made it faster, but it has been at the cost of some functionality.

    Hopefully it'll be resolved with official or later installments.

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    I expect much better performance out of the first across the board official. I'm running 1151, and part of the reason is the ART.
    12-24-14 05:26 PM
  15. meltbox360's Avatar
    How do we know BlackBerry has actually updated to ART? For all we know the whole engine could be custom and neither ART nor David based?

    I do kind of hope it is ART based since Google probably knows what it's doing with regards to the runtime.

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    12-26-14 04:30 AM
  16. thedose's Avatar
    How do we know BlackBerry has actually updated to ART? For all we know the whole engine could be custom and neither ART nor Dalvik based?

    I do kind of hope it is ART based since Google probably knows what it's doing with regards to the runtime.

    Posted via CB10
    Not only that, but wouldn't that also mean that BB10 would continue to be able to run android apps going forward?

    Theoretical scenario: Say we get to OS 11 or 12, and by then all android apps only run on the ART, wouldn't that mean that BlackBerry is screwed app wise?

    Omnia>i3G>9630>9650>Droid Pro>9650>9930>i4S>i5>i5S>Passport
    12-26-14 12:30 PM
  17. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Documentation - Runtime for Android apps - BlackBerry Developer

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...me-art-944078/

    BTW, while I do occasionally get a fail to respond, simply clicking wait results in Medscape continuing to function. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
    12-26-14 02:01 PM
  18. meltbox360's Avatar
    Not only that, but wouldn't that also mean that BB10 would continue to be able to run android apps going forward?

    Theoretical scenario: Say we get to OS 11 or 12, and by then all android apps only run on the ART, wouldn't that mean that BlackBerry is screwed app wise?

    Omnia>i3G>9630>9650>Droid Pro>9650>9930>i4S>i5>i5S>Passport
    ART and Dalvik are the same thing. It's just ART is much faster than Dalvik. Basically it's Dalvik rewritten and optimized from the ground up. If our runtime is ART based then BlackBerry will have an easier time pulling "inspiration" from Google's work. It doesn't mean we will always be right at the front but it could mean we would be closer to the front.

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    12-26-14 02:09 PM
  19. meltbox360's Avatar
    Documentation - Runtime for Android apps - BlackBerry Developer

    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...me-art-944078/

    BTW, while I do occasionally get a fail to respond, simply clicking wait results in Medscape continuing to function. Hope everyone had a Merry Christmas!
    Not sure what I'm supposed to garner from the first link but I see you found my thread from a while back :P

    I was under the impression the runtime is still Dalvik based as we kind of came to the conclusion in there. Is it? Does anyone know for sure?

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    12-26-14 02:12 PM
  20. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    The only way I can see for Google to shut BlackBerry out is either end open source, or eliminate support for everything but the latest ART, and make BlackBerry keep chasing rabbits. Neither is of much likelihood.
    12-26-14 02:14 PM
  21. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Not sure what I'm supposed to garner from the first link but I see you found my thread from a while back :P

    I was under the impression the runtime is still David based as we kind of came to the conclusion in there. Is it? Does anyone know for sure?

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    The BlackBerry documentation, and a peek inside the system from an android setting app can confirm your suspicions.
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    12-26-14 02:17 PM
  22. Ment's Avatar
    I expect much better performance out of the first across the board official. I'm running 1151, and part of the reason is the ART.
    ART was a developer only option in KitKat and then implemented in Lollipop so why are you saying the leak Jellybean 4.3 runtime is ART instead of Davlik. Its not necessary to bring that into Jellybean and would no doubt bring a host of problems, AFAIK Android devs haven't attempted to backport it into Jellybean. That big a change would have been noted in the 10.3.1 release notes or the runtime roadmap and not buried in a leak.
    12-26-14 02:26 PM
  23. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...vs-art-918137/http://forums.crackberry.com/blackbe...vs-art-918137/
    ART was a developer only option in KitKat and then implemented in Lollipop so why are you saying the leak Jellybean 4.3 runtime is ART instead of Davlik. Its not necessary to bring that into Jellybean and would no doubt bring a host of problems, AFAIK Android devs haven't attempted to backport it into Jellybean. That big a change would have been noted in the 10.3.1 release notes or the runtime roadmap and not buried in a leak.
    BlackBerry has been calling it android runtime for as long as I can remember. I'm no developer, so maybe we're not speaking the same language.

    Edit - Found this, which now I understand where the conversation went (I hope, LoL). So why does BlackBerry call it ART?
    12-26-14 02:34 PM
  24. Ment's Avatar
    BlackBerry has been calling it android runtime for as long as I can remember. I'm no developer, so maybe we're not speaking the same language.
    Yes you are confusing ART with the generic usage of android runtime and they are different things.
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    12-26-14 02:45 PM
  25. BigBadWulf's Avatar
    Yes you are confusing ART with the generic usage of android runtime and they are different things.
    Can they possibly make it more confusing for the general abuser?
    12-26-14 02:50 PM
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