Why are so few people using Blackberry phones?

Originally Posted by fishlove73

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Just so that others may see....I picked up an Iphone 6, jailbroke in less than 10 min. I've had the device for a little over a week and it does not do half as much as my Passport. For an non-prem device...it out performs Iphone on every level. What kind of phone comes out without a native file manager? Oh, that's right, that would be the Genius 's over at apple. Yes...for sure, it is marketing.



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I more precise way of saying this is "iPhones don't come with a DOS-like, 1980s vintage file system."
I can and do access three other file systems; Google, Dropbox and Microsoft (Office 365 associated).

I am currently working on editing a book, writing a book chapter and writing a number of other things as well as editing stuff and correspondence, etc. Most of it is in either Dropbox or Google Doc/Sheet etc. We have many people sharing a document sometimes and in different locations. As a result we are using Google Docs more and more.

So no, iOS doesn't have a rather limited local file system. The paradigm has shifted to a web-centric file system and that is available now (Android and Windows too of course).

Originally Posted by Tre Lawrence

What things can it do that the others can't?

1. Open 3 or 4 copies of WhatsApp & chat with multiple people on different windows simultaneously.

2. Work seamlessly with my computer wirelessly with files stored either in my device or my computer.

3. Use a universal search, that search both your device & the Internet without having to use separate apps for it.

4. The lack of any need to use an email app & I can have access to all my emails. Android & iOS requires a Gmail app, yahoo mail app. Or an email client like outlook etc...

5. Have access to my device without the need to install any third party app on my device. This is a lot more user friendly as compared to iOS & Android having to install & configure a third party app that I once used but forgot the name.

6. Being able to reply to other communication apps like Facebook, WhatsApp, BBM, etc when you receive a message without the need to of the app.

These are just some that I can think of when I'm still sleepy.

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Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

I more precise way of saying this is "iPhones don't come with a DOS-like, 1980s vintage file system."
I can and do access three other file systems; Google, Dropbox and Microsoft (Office 365 associated).

I am currently working on editing a book, writing a book chapter and writing a number of other things as well as editing stuff and correspondence, etc. Most of it is in either Dropbox or Google Doc/Sheet etc. We have many people sharing a document sometimes and in different locations. As a result we are using Google Docs more and more.

So no, iOS doesn't have a rather limited local file system. The paradigm has shifted to a web-centric file system and that is available now (Android and Windows too of course).

As I understand it iOS can't even download a pdf file if someone emailed it to me.

I can't even open a pdf file on iOS when someone emailed it to me without having to download a pdf app & dropbox or some cloud storage app. That is just so f***ing frustrating.

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Originally Posted by Loc22

1. Open 3 or 4 copies of WhatsApp & chat with multiple people on different windows simultaneously.

2. Work seamlessly with my computer wirelessly with files stored either in my device or my computer.

3. Use a universal search, that search both your device & the Internet without having to use separate apps for it.

4. The lack of any need to use an email app & I can have access to all my emails. Android & iOS requires a Gmail app, yahoo mail app. Or an email client like outlook etc...

5. Have access to my device without the need to install any third party app on my device. This is a lot more user friendly as compared to iOS & Android having to install & configure a third party app that I once used but forgot the name.

6. Being able to reply to other communication apps like Facebook, WhatsApp, BBM, etc when you receive a message without the need to of the app.

These are just some that I can think of when I'm still sleepy.

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Ah.

But the reverse... that's where it gets brutal.

BTW... some of those seem a bit superfluous. Multiple instances of Whatsapp? Not having to use apps (posted with the help of an app)?

The downside is that developers prioritise large markets: android and apple.

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Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

I more precise way of saying this is "iPhones don't come with a DOS-like, 1980s vintage file system."
I can and do access three other file systems; Google, Dropbox and Microsoft (Office 365 associated).

I am currently working on editing a book, writing a book chapter and writing a number of other things as well as editing stuff and correspondence, etc. Most of it is in either Dropbox or Google Doc/Sheet etc. We have many people sharing a document sometimes and in different locations. As a result we are using Google Docs more and more.

So no, iOS doesn't have a rather limited local file system. The paradigm has shifted to a web-centric file system and that is available now (Android and Windows too of course).

But the deal is.....what if I don't want certain files living in the cloud? What if I just want to modify, cut, copy, paste on my device? What if I don't want to use Google? ....Blackberry gives me a choice in the matter. And it doesn't stop at just file management. Photos....organizing photos into groups with drag and drop is very convenient ...no third party app required to make my photos private, option to load straight to encrypted SD. I personally believe it it faster than tap tap tap, adjust app settings tap tap tap. I realize it's different preferences for different people. The last time I was in a college 2010 for some refresher courses...yes, collaboration with G-docs was used ,but currently in my day to day affairs with work documents...its not. In my work environment my docs are not handled in a group setting. I create them and either provide a link or email directly to client as attachment. Not necessarily 1980 as most companies we do business with require accounts and email...and inturn they respond by email still....it has not reached a point of text registrations yet.

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Originally Posted by fishlove73

But the deal is.....what if I don't want certain files living in the cloud? What if I just want to modify, cut, copy, paste on my device? What if I don't want to use Google? ....Blackberry gives me a choice in the matter. And it doesn't stop at just file management. Photos....organizing photos into groups with drag and drop is very convenient ...no third party app required to make my photos private, option to load straight to encrypted SD. I personally believe it it faster than tap tap tap, adjust app settings tap tap tap. I realize it's different preferences for different people. The last time I was in a college 2010 for some refresher courses...yes, collaboration with G-docs was used ,but currently in my day to day affairs with work documents...its not. In my work environment my docs are not handled in a group setting. I create them and either provide a link or email directly to client as attachment. Not necessarily 1980 as most companies we do business with require accounts and email...and inturn they respond by email still....it has not reached a point of text registrations yet.

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BB gives very few choices, that's the problem. I don't know about the pictures. I don't do much in that area. In terms of a word document, however, you can open it edit it and send it back as a word, PDF or apple (Pages) document as you describe. Or use honest to goodness Microsoft Word. There are a lot of options.

Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

I hate it when I can't tell when people are serious. ;)

I hate car analogies. :)

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Originally Posted by IndianTiwari

Why are so few people owning a Bentley or Ferrari ? The answer is simple they simply cannot afford the luxury!! Same goes with BlackBerry.

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Not quite true. IOS and Galaxy high end devices are costlier by a significant margin. And they sell multiple times more than BlackBerry.

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Originally Posted by Loc22

1. Open 3 or 4 copies of WhatsApp & chat with multiple people on different windows simultaneously.

2. Work seamlessly with my computer wirelessly with files stored either in my device or my computer.

3. Use a universal search, that search both your device & the Internet without having to use separate apps for it.

4. The lack of any need to use an email app & I can have access to all my emails. Android & iOS requires a Gmail app, yahoo mail app. Or an email client like outlook etc...

5. Have access to my device without the need to install any third party app on my device. This is a lot more user friendly as compared to iOS & Android having to install & configure a third party app that I once used but forgot the name.

6. Being able to reply to other communication apps like Facebook, WhatsApp, BBM, etc when you receive a message without the need to of the app.

These are just some that I can think of when I'm still sleepy.

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I wanted to come back to this because I think it really misses a lot. In going point by point:

1) Well, okay, I can't say much about this, I don't use those, I mainly use my phone for business use, but I'll take your word for it.

2) In both iOS and Android you can do this using cloud access, again, this is a new paradigm for always having you stuff available. Does the wireless connection you refer to mean on the same wireless network?

3) I'm not sure about Android but this works by default in iOS spotlight search

4) Totally untrue. The built in email clients in both iOS and Android let you add these multiple account types to it.

5) I have no idea what this means. But the "without an app" us quite a meaningless distinction. Modern smartphones are platforms for running software.

6) I seldom use these so I will take your word for it.

Originally Posted by Loc22

As I understand it iOS can't even download a pdf file if someone emailed it to me.

I can't even open a pdf file on iOS when someone emailed it to me without having to download a pdf app & dropbox or some cloud storage app. That is just so f***ing frustrating.

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I don't think this is true. I can open PDFs from mail in the built in email client. After that, I get the option, if I want, of opening the PDF in any number of apps I might have.

Originally Posted by fishlove73

But the deal is.....what if I don't want certain files living in the cloud? What if I just want to modify, cut, copy, paste on my device? What if I don't want to use Google? ....Blackberry gives me a choice in the matter. And it doesn't stop at just file management. Photos....organizing photos into groups with drag and drop is very convenient ...no third party app required to make my photos private, option to load straight to encrypted SD. I personally believe it it faster than tap tap tap, adjust app settings tap tap tap. I realize it's different preferences for different people. The last time I was in a college 2010 for some refresher courses...yes, collaboration with G-docs was used ,but currently in my day to day affairs with work documents...its not. In my work environment my docs are not handled in a group setting. I create them and either provide a link or email directly to client as attachment. Not necessarily 1980 as most companies we do business with require accounts and email...and inturn they respond by email still....it has not reached a point of text registrations yet.

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Again, this is done differently but with considerable flexibility and power because of the diversity of apps. I typically, 3 or 4 times a year get things that I don't want to put on the cloud, almost always PDFs in format. They are downloaded from a secure website. So I go to the website, download the PDF and open it then save it in the app I want to use. I use an app that let you add markups to the PDFs . It is saved locally on the iOS device within the app which has its own file structure.

Again, these criticisms basically come down to Apple, Google and Microsoft have changed mobile computing and people saying they can't do something because they can't do it in the same way that they used to do it. It isn't the same thing.

I've owned Blackberry ever since the Bold 9000, but after playing with the other products on the market, I realized I was missing out on Apps that allowed me to connect with friends deployed overseas, so I recently made the switch to the USS Apple Computer ( so far I've owned the 4, 4s, 5c, 5s, and 6) I do think they are a tad pricey, ( I spent $713 on an iPhone 6) when I can pick up a referbished BB for around $200 on no contract.

Originally Posted by phoneporn

I've owned Blackberry ever since the Bold 9000, but after playing with the other products on the market, I realized I was missing out on Apps that allowed me to connect with friends deployed overseas, so I recently made the switch to the USS Apple Computer ( so far I've owned the 4, 4s, 5c, 5s, and 6) I do think they are a tad pricey, ( I spent $713 on an iPhone 6) when I can pick up a referbished BB for around $200 on no contract.

I think most people defending BlackBerry, have never really used other products. Some of the examples used are outdated based on shortcoming in mainly iOS that have long since been fixed. Much like the super buggy and auto rebooting issues with BB10 have been fixed.

People use, what they use.... there are a number of reasons that they don't buy BlackBerry today. Main one is they are hard to find and little is known about them. And most every review has a "but the app situation is still missing", and officially it is still a big issue. But we all want to fit in... not because we are sheep, but it's the safe thing to do. If you need to ask someone how to do something on an iPhone... your relatives, neighbor, school/work mates can help you out. Same for Android.

But if you own a BlackBerry... well there is CrackBerry.

Coz its the phone not everyone can afford...

Arjun Butola

Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

Again, this is done differently but with considerable flexibility and power because of the diversity of apps. I typically, 3 or 4 times a year get things that I don't want to put on the cloud, almost always PDFs in format. They are downloaded from a secure website. So I go to the website, download the PDF and open it then save it in the app I want to use. I use an app that let you add markups to the PDFs . It is saved locally on the iOS device within the app which has its own file structure.

Again, these criticisms basically come down to Apple, Google and Microsoft have changed mobile computing and people saying they can't do something because they can't do it in the same way that they used to do it. It isn't the same thing.

Not really, there's always info that comes that I don't want a third party app to read. I've used box, dropbox, mega....mega seems to be the best of all of them but I still don't trust certain info living on someone else's server (cloud) or living on my device. I just happen to believe encrypted SD is better for me and gives me piece of mind.

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Originally Posted by fishlove73

Not really, there's always info that comes that I don't want a third party app to read. I've used box, dropbox, mega....mega seems to be the best of all of them but I still don't trust certain info living on someone else's server (cloud) or living on my device. I just happen to believe encrypted SD is better for me and gives me piece of mind.

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Except you can also keep it on your device. In any case, most people think that the ability to have all of your docs, anywhere that you are, far outweighs the downside. And also, when people say that something can't be done on an iPhone or Android what they really mean is that it is designed to be done differently on an iPhone or Android phone than on a BB.

Read "Losing the Signal: The Untold Story Behind the Extraordinary Rise and Fall of Blackberry" to answer your question 😉. It's available in B&N.

One reason: BlackBerry just hasn't kept up in the specs department. (Incidentally, I think that's part of Windows Phone's problem too.) I was really looking forward to the Classic...and then it comes out identical in specs to the Q10, but with a worse screen. Instead of going head to head with iPhone and Android flagships, they decided to go up against their own three-year-old phone. What the ****?

I switched from BlackBerry to Android back in 2011, but never stopped using my Curve 8900 for writing. In fact, I just replaced it with a used Q10 a few weeks ago. My regular phone is an LG G3, but if the Classic had been competitive in specs (**** it didn't even need the QuadHD screen of the G3, but AT LEAST iPhone level) I would've gotten it instead. I've never been particularly happy with the G3.

So instead of having one powerful BlackBerry with the ability to do everything, I have to carry two phones. One for writing, one for doing...well, everything else.

(Edit: Compared to my old Nexus 5, the G3 is sluggish at best. But compared to the BlackBerry Q10--and since they have the same specs I can only assume it applies to the Classic as well--it's a frickin lightning bolt. I like BB 10, but, damn, they really should've paired it with a processor that would do it proud.)

Originally Posted by William Strunk Jr

One reason: BlackBerry just hasn't kept up in the specs department. (Incidentally, I think that's part of Windows Phone's problem too.) I was really looking forward to the Classic...and then it comes out identical in specs to the Q10, but with a worse screen. Instead of going head to head with iPhone and Android flagships, they decided to go up against their own three-year-old phone. What the ****?

I switched from BlackBerry to Android back in 2011, but never stopped using my Curve 8900 for writing. In fact, I just replaced it with a used Q10 a few weeks ago. My regular phone is an LG G3, but if the Classic had been competitive in specs (**** it didn't even need the QuadHD screen of the G3, but AT LEAST iPhone level) I would've gotten it instead. I've never been particularly happy with the G3.

So instead of having one powerful BlackBerry with the ability to do everything, I have to carry two phones. One for writing, one for doing...well, everything else.

(Edit: Compared to my old Nexus 5, the G3 is sluggish at best. But compared to the BlackBerry Q10--and since they have the same specs I can only assume it applies to the Classic as well--it's a frickin lightning bolt. I like BB 10, but, damn, they really should've paired it with a processor that would do it proud.)

I agree with you that the classic should be a more powerful phone. But I have one, and I use it every day. It's very fast for me, and I rarely notice any type of lag. I use it as my GPS, and we'll as play music thry bluetooth when I drive. I send a lot of emails and text. Browse the Web a lot.

I don't play any games though. So maybe thats why I see no problem with the specs.

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Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

BB gives very few choices, that's the problem. I don't know about the pictures. I don't do much in that area. In terms of a word document, however, you can open it edit it and send it back as a word, PDF or apple (Pages) document as you describe. Or use honest to goodness Microsoft Word. There are a lot of options.

I'm sorry your misinformed. Docs to go comes standard on Blackberry 10 for free....in Apple store is 20 bucks. It's kinda like having Microsoft office in the Palm of your and....or in my case being a passport owner...2 hands :-). Full creating and editing privileges and numerous choices on how or where to send.


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I just played with an IOS 6 for 2 weeks.... my Passport does everything better and faster (at least for me).

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Originally Posted by William Strunk Jr

One reason: BlackBerry just hasn't kept up in the specs department. (Incidentally, I think that's part of Windows Phone's problem too.) I was really looking forward to the Classic...and then it comes out identical in specs to the Q10, but with a worse screen. Instead of going head to head with iPhone and Android flagships, they decided to go up against their own three-year-old phone. What the ****?

I switched from BlackBerry to Android back in 2011, but never stopped using my Curve 8900 for writing. In fact, I just replaced it with a used Q10 a few weeks ago. My regular phone is an LG G3, but if the Classic had been competitive in specs (**** it didn't even need the QuadHD screen of the G3, but AT LEAST iPhone level) I would've gotten it instead. I've never been particularly happy with the G3.

So instead of having one powerful BlackBerry with the ability to do everything, I have to carry two phones. One for writing, one for doing...well, everything else.

(Edit: Compared to my old Nexus 5, the G3 is sluggish at best. But compared to the BlackBerry Q10--and since they have the same specs I can only assume it applies to the Classic as well--it's a frickin lightning bolt. I like BB 10, but, damn, they really should've paired it with a processor that would do it proud.)

Passport I have has "specs".....and just to figure out what others where talking about here, I test drove an IOS 6. It was painfully slow compared to my Passport. And what is the use of having 1.5 million Apps if half are utterly Useless.

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Originally Posted by fishlove73

I'm sorry your misinformed. Docs to go comes standard on Blackberry 10 for free....in Apple store is 20 bucks. It's kinda like having Microsoft office in the Palm of your and....or in my case being a passport owner...2 hands :-). Full creating and editing privileges and numerous choices on how or where to send.


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I'm not misinformed. I said there were more choices with iOS and there are. iOS comes with free Apple software for those functions or you can get actual Microsoft Office or Docs to Go for that matter and maybe 15 others. The Apple office suite is totally cross device through iCloud which is a key feature. You can work on a presentation or other document on your desktop and it appears on your iPhone or iPad. I found Docs to Go not great, especially for presentations. I never use it.

The standard of BlackBerry is not in the talks among the public... evrybdy blindly runs behind android
No_One considers the security!
#z10_user
#glad_to_have_bb

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Originally Posted by GadgetTravel

I wanted to come back to this because I think it really misses a lot. In going point by point:

1) Well, okay, I can't say much about this, I don't use those, I mainly use my phone for business use, but I'll take your word for it.

2) In both iOS and Android you can do this using cloud access, again, this is a new paradigm for always having you stuff available. Does the wireless connection you refer to mean on the same wireless network?

3) I'm not sure about Android but this works by default in iOS spotlight search

4) Totally untrue. The built in email clients in both iOS and Android let you add these multiple account types to it.

5) I have no idea what this means. But the "without an app" us quite a meaningless distinction. Modern smartphones are platforms for running software.

6) I seldom use these so I will take your word for it.

Let me clarify where you don't really get ;

2) in BlackBerry 10 you can connect wirelessly to your device eight through the same wireless network or via the Internet. It automatically connects you if you have installed the BlackBerry Link on your computer.

3) on Android & iOS you only get results through Google search. Whereas on BlackBerry you get results from Bing, Google, Yahoo, BlackBerry Maps, tweeter, BlackBerry World, LinkedIn, foursquare, etc...

Yes, it would also search your contacts, device & your memory card too.

5) Yes, without any separate app as it is all in your hub. You don't even need to open any apps, just reply directly from the hub.

I know for sure that in Android & iOS it effectively opens an app so that you can respond to a message eg. if you get a WhatsApp message, you will open the WhatsApp to respond, or if you have an email it will effectively open your email so that you can respond.

Hope this clarify.

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