The natural next phone for BBOS and 10 users is obvious.
- But BB10 can't work on modern hardware, and it would take a monumental investment to allow it to run on current devices. The barrier to entry is immense and fiscally insurmountable.02-18-19 03:03 PMLike 0
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- BlackBerry Branding (licencing)
- Global Sales under BBMo
- Global Warranties and Support
- BlackBerry Secure Software
- Regular Software Updates (almost think these are a separate cost to the licensee, in addition to their own internal infrastructure)
- Higher Profits for TCL to even bother (remember they were doing this for Enterprise Sales which are normally lucrative)
After four devices, it's pretty clear that the "BlackBerry Cost" is what it is... hoping it going to improve is like hoping BB10 returns.
Clearly with the JIO Phone 2 being sold for $50... you can make a "cheap" PKB phone. But there is no secure software, few if any updates and who knows how long those phone last.WiseEyes likes this.02-18-19 04:00 PMLike 1 -
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/MIT
Posted with my trusty Z1002-18-19 04:17 PMLike 0 - The MIT license is like a Creative Commons license, but is designed to support future development and extension of the original work:
http://www.opensource.org/licenses/MIT
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BB10 doesn't have SOC drivers for anything newer than the Snapdragon 801 that the Passport ran. That's the end of the cpu road.ppeters914 likes this.02-18-19 07:10 PMLike 1 - This has been covered ad nauseum. I don't know why people cannot accept this.ppeters914 likes this.02-18-19 07:37 PMLike 1
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And, as mentioned, no drivers exist for any hardware components built after 2014.Laura Knotek and ppeters914 like this.02-18-19 07:57 PMLike 2 -
At this point, BB10 is basically “orphaned”, “stranded” from new hardware availability.. An OEM couldn’t build any new BB10 hardware, even if such a company wanted to without enormous startup costs.
From a business perspective, any company that develops OS now or in the past, could develop new type mobile OS in place of BB10 or any other failed previous OS from distant past. There’s no longer competitive advantage to already developed BB10 at this point.02-18-19 10:51 PMLike 0 -
It wasn't the start up page or home screen that was an issue.... it was the lack of CandyCrush and Instagram (along with the bugs in early BB10).... that pushed consumers away.
PlayBook.... so many lessons.Laura Knotek likes this.02-19-19 02:05 PMLike 1 - Consumers just want things to work, like they work for everyone else.
It wasn't the start up page or home screen that was an issue.... it was the lack of CandyCrush and Instagram (along with the bugs in early BB10).... that pushed consumers away.
PlayBook.... so many lessons.
Now I'm going to be stuck with BlackBerry Android, which is better than generic Android insofar as losing one limb in an accident is better than losing two.
Posted with my trusty Z1002-19-19 04:06 PMLike 3 -
QNX alsready has board support packages for a variety of 64bit ARM architectures.
Yes its not merely recompile from 32 to 64 bit, but in the most part it is.
There will be testing requirements (maybe the biggest hurdle), and the drivers for components are supplied by quallcomm etc.... I don't think it takes excruciatingly long and expensive time for those to be vetted/checked or adapted for compatibility with QNX based BB10.
BB10 was developed for SOC's from Qualcomm ArmV7, and now Qualcomm is on ArmV8 (and others) there is both a 32bit compatibility mode or a full 64bit mode....either one could be selected to base a new bb10 phone on - even if Blackberry itself didn't make the phone.anon(10218918) and WiseEyes like this.02-20-19 12:05 AMLike 2 - The tragedy of BlackBerry is that they wasted billions chasing a market (consumers) where they never stood a chance, and neglected some of their most loyal customers who never wanted Candy Crush or Instagram in the first place. I wish they had made a strong, consistent case for privacy and security over convenience and "settled" for the 1-2% of the market for which they could provide the best solution.
Now I'm going to be stuck with BlackBerry Android, which is better than generic Android insofar as losing one limb in an accident is better than losing two.
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This is a really great article:
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/...ticle14563602/
I think the lesson here is that BBMobile has to grow their brand . The Enterprise phone is no longer.Laura Knotek and ppeters914 like this.02-20-19 01:12 AMLike 2 - No you don't have to build from the ground up, whatever that means. (If you mean modular construction, then hmm maybe you are correct, if you mean finding the clay and making the bricks and forging the nails in a foundry, then no you are not correct).
QNX alsready has board support packages for a variety of 64bit ARM architectures.
Yes its not merely recompile from 32 to 64 bit, but in the most part it is.
There will be testing requirements (maybe the biggest hurdle), and the drivers for components are supplied by quallcomm etc.... I don't think it takes excruciatingly long and expensive time for those to be vetted/checked or adapted for compatibility with QNX based BB10.
BB10 was developed for SOC's from Qualcomm ArmV7, and now Qualcomm is on ArmV8 (and others) there is both a 32bit compatibility mode or a full 64bit mode....either one could be selected to base a new bb10 phone on - even if Blackberry itself didn't make the phone.
To rebuild BB10 and all of its apps for 64bit, and to strip the Android Runtime, are massive undertakings - particularly when you have exactly zero BB10 developers in your employ.ppeters914 likes this.02-20-19 06:29 AMLike 1 - No you don't have to build from the ground up, whatever that means. (If you mean modular construction, then hmm maybe you are correct, if you mean finding the clay and making the bricks and forging the nails in a foundry, then no you are not correct).
QNX alsready has board support packages for a variety of 64bit ARM architectures.
Yes its not merely recompile from 32 to 64 bit, but in the most part it is.
There will be testing requirements (maybe the biggest hurdle), and the drivers for components are supplied by quallcomm etc.... I don't think it takes excruciatingly long and expensive time for those to be vetted/checked or adapted for compatibility with QNX based BB10.
BB10 was developed for SOC's from Qualcomm ArmV7, and now Qualcomm is on ArmV8 (and others) there is both a 32bit compatibility mode or a full 64bit mode....either one could be selected to base a new bb10 phone on - even if Blackberry itself didn't make the phone.
So, yeah, the ground is there. But you have some re-working of that foundation to fit the new plan - run plumbing to new locations. Ever bust up a slab to run new plumbing before? Not so easy. And don't forget to put that waterproofing down and tie new rebar before filling in the trench left.ppeters914 likes this.02-20-19 07:07 AMLike 1 - We've been over this before. There's much more to BB10 than the QNX kernel. Besides the drivers for modern mobile hardware, radios and modems, and support apps, there's the whole UI side based on a language version that's long out of development.
So, yeah, the ground is there. But you have some re-working of that foundation to fit the new plan - run plumbing to new locations. Ever bust up a slab to run new plumbing before? Not so easy. And don't forget to put that waterproofing down and tie new rebar before filling in the trench left.Troy Tiscareno likes this.02-20-19 07:52 AMLike 1 -
If somebody stole the QNX and bb10 source code and all the toolsets, and they vanished, then yeah THAT would be a hurricane...though with insurance you don't throw in the towel after a hurricane. This endeavour however is merely a blizzard or snowstorm, got to plough through it, maybe got to thaw a few frozen pipes, throw in a new furnace, airconditioner, new appliances and then in the spring, maybe some hardwood flooring here and there, repave the driveway (optional), a little landscaping (optional), and jib the plumbing a bit. The land value is still there, the neighbourhood is good, and structurally she's solid.WiseEyes likes this.02-20-19 09:04 PMLike 1 - Okay, now there's a limit to the analogy :-).
If somebody stole the QNX and bb10 source code and all the toolsets, and they vanished, then yeah THAT would be a hurricane...though with insurance you don't throw in the towel after a hurricane. This endeavour however is merely a blizzard or snowstorm, got to plough through it, maybe got to thaw a few frozen pipes, throw in a new furnace, airconditioner, new appliances and then in the spring, maybe some hardwood flooring here and there, repave the driveway (optional), a little landscaping (optional), and jib the plumbing a bit. The land value is still there, the neighbourhood is good, and structurally she's solid.
BlackBerry wouldn't spend $18 on BB10, let alone $500,000,000 to $2,000,000,000. This has been made crystal clear.ppeters914 likes this.02-20-19 09:10 PMLike 1 - Okay, now there's a limit to the analogy :-).
If somebody stole the QNX and bb10 source code and all the toolsets, and they vanished, then yeah THAT would be a hurricane...though with insurance you don't throw in the towel after a hurricane. This endeavour however is merely a blizzard or snowstorm, got to plough through it, maybe got to thaw a few frozen pipes, throw in a new furnace, airconditioner, new appliances and then in the spring, maybe some hardwood flooring here and there, repave the driveway (optional), a little landscaping (optional), and jib the plumbing a bit. The land value is still there, the neighbourhood is good, and structurally she's solid.ppeters914 and pdr733 like this.02-20-19 09:57 PMLike 2 - 02-20-19 10:10 PMLike 1
- You are correct Sir. I imagine along the shores of the Gulf coast and warm waters of Atlantic it would be YUGE premiums. I guess you gotta weigh location vs. risk and bite the bullet or set aside an annual personnal reserve (self-insure) for that once in 20,40 or 100+ year re-occurance (or live in concrete houses). I got to see Galvaston a few years before Harvey pummelled it again in 2017 after the big one in 1900 (the results of which caused Houston to flourish). Up North people just pay that per year for heating their homes, and rusting their vehicles (okay maybe a bit less). But heating is expected, hurricanes not hoped for. But heck, those winters are so much more comfortable in the sun (after a few months of continuous snow-cover), so there's always that. But I've learned to cycle or is it coast in the snow a few times dressed like a skier, for some needed outdoor activity...cause they're really good at clearing sidewalks, and I thought heck my taxes are paying for it, so I might as well use them once in a while.02-21-19 05:26 AMLike 0
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- Soooooo.......does that mean they'd consider selling it for $18? (lol) No need to answer. I'm sure it's a no. But interesting all the same.02-21-19 05:55 AMLike 0
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