[conite]

iOS can run Google Maps, too.

Of course, but we were discussing certified vs non-certified Android.

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

There is a similar thread but it appears to have devolved into debunking and l don't feel it was specified to BBOS.

I want to know how BB would become a viable (stable, sustainably popular) 3rd Way in the mobile world.

Caveat: old BBOS devices must need not get binned, there must either be legacy support or fresh updates, at least for BBOS 10 onward, if not also BBOS 7.

If it means building a Dyson Sphere then add it to the list but explain why it is needed.

Here is what l suggest:

1. Commission 100 productivity apps. Foremost being:
- a map app like the old BBOS 6 / 7 maps app, which gives you live speedometer and direction readings,
- ability to run Google maps no matter how Google will try to wriggle out of it with little improvements that break BB compatibility
- a weather app that gives compass points not just degrees of a circle.
- ability to save Remember notes as .txt files (Windows readable or at least Unix / Rich Text readable)
- updated MS Office apps
- updated browser with more controls over things that can be blocked e.g. block images like BB OS 6 / 7
- updated YouTube app that can handle Google's updates which break it for BB (i.e. can no longer see viewers' comments). YouTube is important for quickly referencing instructional vids whilst in the middle of a repair job for example.
- Ability to edit PDFs
- VPN brands that offer proxy IPs too, not something l'd be interested in but it has its uses

2. Make it a 10 year plan. Offer all the enterprise features for a small fee to get money from people that don't even need to use these bolt-ons. The net income should increase, l'm gambling. Also have BIS as a separate small subscription. Those subscriptions will be a dependable income to power the 10 year plan.

3. Product placement - just like old days.

4. Make it clear that QNX is part of the same company and make it clear what QNX is doing and can do for big brands.

5. Plan ahead. I guess. Like, heavily publicised vulnerabilities etc. etc. Heavily publicise the fixes in return, l guess. That turns the flaw into good exposure for the company.

6. Put the CEO into space.

7. Look into merging with another big company.

Sorry but BlackBerry isn't who they once were... they are a struggling tiny company that has neither the talent nor the money to even attempt a return to BBOS. Which would really serve no real purpose, as it does nothing that the market is asking for.

BIS isn't needed, microkernel architecture doesn't seem to be needed or Google would be pushing Fuscia's development more than they are. Half the rest of what you want is just getting Google or Microsoft to offer their apps, without a reason why they should... what's it get them?

[joeldf]

I want to go back to the original theory in the OP - that somehow the old legacy BBOS can be revived.

Even Mike and Jim knew that BBOS had reached the end of its usefulness. That's why they even bothered buying QNX in the first place.

BBOS being Java based was great for those early pagers with a keyboard, and scaled well enough for those early phones. But, as you got to v. 4 and above, it's limitations were beginning to show. Constant garbage collections (seen as the spinning clock), apps that could only load in small chunks of memory at a time, reliance on BIS for the on-the-fly data compression which hindered eventual media heavy data (because it was already compressed so the transmission process was simply slowed down with attempted further compression). It became a dinosaur even before it ended with 7.1.

Themes on it were great.

A lot of the features were great, a few that just never made it to BB10 (but most were sort of bolted on over the following couple of years of development that did happen).

But almost all of those features are in android now, so I don't miss the headaches of BBOS. Why would anyone else want those again?

[Dunt Dunt Dunt]

But almost all of those features are in android now, so I don't miss the headaches of BBOS. Why would anyone else want those again?

And that's the thing... what would BBOS without BIS (or with something more BES) offer someone on today's modern hardware?

If just another choice, how many would pick it? To make another mobile OS viable in today's market, would require several million users buying hardware on a yearly basis... But I doubt developers would pay any attention to another OS, till it reached some critical mass point... maybe 10% of the overall smartphone market. Or 25% of their target market - be it regional or economic. Whole chicken or the egg situation...

Bottom line is an OS is just on tiny part of a very complex puzzle, if you don't have great hardware to pair with it, if you don't have competitive prices, if you don't have an app ecosystem along with other content.... in other words BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars, you don't have anything.

[eshropshire]

There is a similar thread but it appears to have devolved into debunking and l don't feel it was specified to BBOS.

I want to know how BB would become a viable (stable, sustainably popular) 3rd Way in the mobile world.

Caveat: old BBOS devices must need not get binned, there must either be legacy support or fresh updates, at least for BBOS 10 onward, if not also BBOS 7.

If it means building a Dyson Sphere then add it to the list but explain why it is needed.

Here is what l suggest:

1. Commission 100 productivity apps. Foremost being:
- a map app like the old BBOS 6 / 7 maps app, which gives you live speedometer and direction readings,
- ability to run Google maps no matter how Google will try to wriggle out of it with little improvements that break BB compatibility
- a weather app that gives compass points not just degrees of a circle.
- ability to save Remember notes as .txt files (Windows readable or at least Unix / Rich Text readable)
- updated MS Office apps
- updated browser with more controls over things that can be blocked e.g. block images like BB OS 6 / 7
- updated YouTube app that can handle Google's updates which break it for BB (i.e. can no longer see viewers' comments). YouTube is important for quickly referencing instructional vids whilst in the middle of a repair job for example.
- Ability to edit PDFs
- VPN brands that offer proxy IPs too, not something l'd be interested in but it has its uses

2. Make it a 10 year plan. Offer all the enterprise features for a small fee to get money from people that don't even need to use these bolt-ons. The net income should increase, l'm gambling. Also have BIS as a separate small subscription. Those subscriptions will be a dependable income to power the 10 year plan.

3. Product placement - just like old days.

4. Make it clear that QNX is part of the same company and make it clear what QNX is doing and can do for big brands.

5. Plan ahead. I guess. Like, heavily publicised vulnerabilities etc. etc. Heavily publicise the fixes in return, l guess. That turns the flaw into good exposure for the company.

6. Put the CEO into space.

7. Look into merging with another big company.

Trying to figure out why I need a new phone to do anything on your list. What will this offer that is not available on modern smartphones except the BlackBerry name.

[boogywstew]

Maybe your BB10 resuscitation plan would have a more receptive audience in India? There are some great minds in India. The women are babes!

[eshropshire]

By the way, MS OS was possibly brand fatigued by the time it made it onto phones. The average person was subject to much malware on the desktop, and antiviruses catching most of it still didn't really inspire confidence in having that OS on something so personal as a mobile phone with the contact details of loved ones and other personal stuff - even though for most people it's still absolutely fine for desktop.

MS OS can be secure enough for civil service and business use no problem but l guess common folk didn't like the OS in the context of a phone. So it's wrong to say 3rd Way is wrong, and $10 billion is wrong when what went wrong was more qualitative.

Yes, that is why no one uses MS Windows anymore and why Windows 10 and 11 have been such major flops.

[Chuck Finley69]

Yes, that is why no one uses MS Windows anymore and why Windows 10 and 11 have been such major flops.

LMAO

[SteinwayTransitCorp]

LMAO

BlackBerry would have killed to have flops like Windows 10 or 11...............................Woof!

[SteinwayTransitCorp]

And that's the thing... what would BBOS without BIS (or with something more BES) offer someone on today's modern hardware?

If just another choice, how many would pick it? To make another mobile OS viable in today's market, would require several million users buying hardware on a yearly basis... But I doubt developers would pay any attention to another OS, till it reached some critical mass point... maybe 10% of the overall smartphone market. Or 25% of their target market - be it regional or economic. Whole chicken or the egg situation...

Bottom line is an OS is just on tiny part of a very complex puzzle, if you don't have great hardware to pair with it, if you don't have competitive prices, if you don't have an app ecosystem along with other content.... in other words BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars, you don't have anything.

Is that all.............LOL

[John Albert]

There is a similar thread but it appears to have devolved into debunking and l don't feel it was specified to BBOS.

I want to know how BB would become a viable (stable, sustainably popular) 3rd Way in the mobile world.

Caveat: old BBOS devices must need not get binned, there must either be legacy support or fresh updates, at least for BBOS 10 onward, if not also BBOS 7.

If it means building a Dyson Sphere then add it to the list but explain why it is needed.

Here is what l suggest:

1. Commission 100 productivity apps. Foremost being:
- a map app like the old BBOS 6 / 7 maps app, which gives you live speedometer and direction readings,
- ability to run Google maps no matter how Google will try to wriggle out of it with little improvements that break BB compatibility
- a weather app that gives compass points not just degrees of a circle.
- ability to save Remember notes as .txt files (Windows readable or at least Unix / Rich Text readable)
- updated MS Office apps
- updated browser with more controls over things that can be blocked e.g. block images like BB OS 6 / 7
- updated YouTube app that can handle Google's updates which break it for BB (i.e. can no longer see viewers' comments). YouTube is important for quickly referencing instructional vids whilst in the middle of a repair job for example.
- Ability to edit PDFs
- VPN brands that offer proxy IPs too, not something l'd be interested in but it has its uses

2. Make it a 10 year plan. Offer all the enterprise features for a small fee to get money from people that don't even need to use these bolt-ons. The net income should increase, l'm gambling. Also have BIS as a separate small subscription. Those subscriptions will be a dependable income to power the 10 year plan.

3. Product placement - just like old days.

4. Make it clear that QNX is part of the same company and make it clear what QNX is doing and can do for big brands.

5. Plan ahead. I guess. Like, heavily publicised vulnerabilities etc. etc. Heavily publicise the fixes in return, l guess. That turns the flaw into good exposure for the company.

6. Put the CEO into space.

7. Look into merging with another big company.

To achieve your plan, BlackBerry needs to sell itself first, then burn the entire cash for this plan until it finally get obliterated in a matter of two months.

[app_Developer]

iOS can run Google Maps, too.

Yep. Google Maps runs wherever Google wants it to run. Because they own it and spend a lot of money on that program.

They use that massive investment wherever they want, because that their right and theirs alone.