11-14-14 11:25 AM
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  1. BirdHand's Avatar
    Apple found it's calling with iPod and iPhone. Samsung transformed into a leading electronics manufacturer.

    Both were at the bring of failure. They both had to shrink, dramatically.

    Ironic isn't it? Apple and Samsung, both well versed in failure, now earn ALL the profits in this industry.

    It's now BlackBerry's turn. Will they be able to make it?
    10-06-14 07:30 PM
  2. timmy95's Avatar
    O ya! I think they can.

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    10-06-14 08:03 PM
  3. QXS's Avatar
    But the markets they got in weren't fully saturated. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's going to be difficult for BlackBerry to turn heads away from competitors.
    10-06-14 08:06 PM
  4. Troy Tiscareno's Avatar
    Apple found it's calling with iPod and iPhone. Samsung transformed into a leading electronics manufacturer.

    Both were at the bring of failure. They both had to shrink, dramatically.
    When, exactly, was Samsung on the "brink of failure" and had to shrink dramatically? Outside of a few minor bumps on the road, Samsung has been continually growing for about 60 years.

    And Apple failed (and nearly went totally bust) with computers. They didn't "come back" selling computers, though - they had to create a totally new market in order to start their road to success: the advanced and highly-integrated portable MP3 player (aka iPod). That's because once they had lost in computers, there was no significant recovery possible within any reasonable timeframe.

    But something else you need to understand about both Apple and Samsung: they are making CONSUMER products intended to have a BROAD appeal. BB is making business products designed to have a narrow appeal. That means that BB is never going to have the level of success that Apple and Samsung have, unless they abandon their current strategy and become consumer-focused. Security is great for businesses, but for consumers, it's WAY too much in the way of what they want to do with their products and makes things too complicated for most, which is why BB is no longer making any real effort to target consumers.

    I don't think anyone, even BB, has any illusions that BB is ever going to be a dominant force in the consumer smartphone industry. Chen has openly admitted as much.
    10-06-14 08:37 PM
  5. Warlack's Avatar
    BlackBerry could open the the floodgates to security via secusmart, cloud BES and movirtu to the public. Don't forget eBBM.
    All the little nuggets you would get from the Blackphone are already integrated.

    Together with office 365 you are golden.

    PassportSQW100-1/10.3.1.632 and a Z30
    10-06-14 08:48 PM
  6. alternator77's Avatar
    When, exactly, was Samsung on the "brink of failure" and had to shrink dramatically? Outside of a few minor bumps on the road, Samsung has been continually growing for about 60 years.

    And Apple failed (and nearly went totally bust) with computers. They didn't "come back" selling computers, though - they had to create a totally new market in order to start their road to success: the advanced and highly-integrated portable MP3 player (aka iPod). That's because once they had lost in computers, there was no significant recovery possible within any reasonable timeframe.

    But something else you need to understand about both Apple and Samsung: they are making CONSUMER products intended to have a BROAD appeal. BB is making business products designed to have a narrow appeal. That means that BB is never going to have the level of success that Apple and Samsung have, unless they abandon their current strategy and become consumer-focused. Security is great for businesses, but for consumers, it's WAY too much in the way of what they want to do with their products and makes things too complicated for most, which is why BB is no longer making any real effort to target consumers.

    I don't think anyone, even BB, has any illusions that BB is ever going to be a dominant force in the consumer smartphone industry. Chen has openly admitted as much.
    I think a lot of times people forget how huge samsung really is most people know them for their phones and don't realize they've got their hands into everything from aerospace to $79 microwaves at walmart all the way to movie production equipment. I honestly don't think they ever been small lol! Well may e at their very beginning.

    "I love when people boast about their phones...like its a pissing contest"
    10-07-14 12:08 AM
  7. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    I think a lot of times people forget how huge samsung really is most people know them for their phones and don't realize they've got their hands into everything from aerospace to $79 microwaves at walmart all the way to movie production equipment. I honestly don't think they ever been small lol! Well may e at their very beginning.

    "I love when people boast about their phones...like its a pissing contest"
    One of the most diversified corporations in the world, with a war chest that allow it to overcome tragedies like the Samsung Moment LOL.

    The Moment would have sunk any other company's phone dreams.
    Last edited by Tre Lawrence; 10-07-14 at 08:20 AM.
    10-07-14 12:56 AM
  8. alternator77's Avatar
    And for the record when BlackBerry gets their supply chain sorted out maybe then we can talk about a turn around. Until then I don't know.

    "I love when people boast about their phones...like its a pissing contest"
    10-07-14 08:04 AM
  9. TGR1's Avatar
    One of the most diversified corporations in the world, with a war chest that allow it to overcome tragedies like the Samsung Moment LOL.

    The Moment would have sunk any other company's phone dreams.
    And very tight ties to government. The chaebol business model is so alien to anything North American that it is an irrelevant comparison. Even GE is nothing like them.
    10-07-14 10:39 AM
  10. BB Adict's Avatar
    That depends on what you mean by turnaround. If you mean profitability, yes. With good leadership, BlackBerry should be able to hold its own.

    If however, you mean Blackberry back as king of the hill in the smartphone universe, I don't think there is a chance. Too much momentum has been lost, plus the negative consumer perception that exists, will be close to impossible to overcome.

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    10-08-14 01:19 PM
  11. Zirak's Avatar
    Every time I hear people going on about consumers I think Big Blue, yep. Good ol' IBM. You know, the ones that used to make computers, now cater to the consumer? market...
    Last I looked they are doing OK, at least I hope so I have 50K shares in the damn thing, and I have not seen an products on store shelves, or bought a product from them in yrs.

    Sent while driving from my Crackberry.
    10-14-14 01:04 PM
  12. asherN's Avatar
    IBM is an entirely different animal.
    10-14-14 02:42 PM
  13. anon1727506's Avatar
    For every one tech company that has managed to bounce back from near disaster and has thrived.... there are twenty others that never made it and are side notes in the tech journals.

    BlackBerry is BlackBerry..... can't compare them to other companies. Just have to hope that they find a niche and can secure that niche for long enough to become profitable and to give them time to find other "real" sources of revenues.

    For BlackBerry to really make a come back and be BIG, would take them doing something BIG. Maybe they invent something that no one else can, or maybe they get absorbed into another company and disappear from the memory of mankind....

    Been dealing with Verizon on some technical issue at work, they have a whole division dedicated to IoT and M2M (Verizon Wireless Machine to Machine Services) they aren't working towards some future, they are living it now and already have products and services in the market for enterprise customers. Maybe at some point little old BlackBerry comes up with a "real" IoT product or service and some huge company like Verizon sees the value and buys them.
    10-14-14 03:01 PM
  14. early2bed's Avatar
    Palm and Nokia went down the tubes. That happens too.
    10-14-14 03:22 PM
  15. Drenegade's Avatar
    When, exactly, was Samsung on the "brink of failure" and had to shrink dramatically? Outside of a few minor bumps on the road, Samsung has been continually growing for about 60 years.

    And Apple failed (and nearly went totally bust) with computers. They didn't "come back" selling computers, though - they had to create a totally new market in order to start their road to success: the advanced and highly-integrated portable MP3 player (aka iPod). That's because once they had lost in computers, there was no significant recovery possible within any reasonable timeframe.

    But something else you need to understand about both Apple and Samsung: they are making CONSUMER products intended to have a BROAD appeal. BB is making business products designed to have a narrow appeal. That means that BB is never going to have the level of success that Apple and Samsung have, unless they abandon their current strategy and become consumer-focused. Security is great for businesses, but for consumers, it's WAY too much in the way of what they want to do with their products and makes things too complicated for most, which is why BB is no longer making any real effort to target consumers.

    I don't think anyone, even BB, has any illusions that BB is ever going to be a dominant force in the consumer smartphone industry. Chen has openly admitted as much.
    Bro. Every single one of your posts is a negative anti BlackBerry rant. You seem smart. Why are you here if you hate BlackBerry so much?

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    11-10-14 02:00 AM
  16. QXS's Avatar
    Bro. Every single one of your posts is a negative anti BlackBerry rant. You seem smart. Why are you here if you hate BlackBerry so much?

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    He has a point though. Instead of making toys for people who like to play around and waste time, BlackBerry is making tools for business users. BlackBerry devices are productivity powerhouses. Consumers don't want that. BlackBerry is building devices for intelligent users who need to get things done, they aren't going to sacrifice that.
    11-10-14 01:40 PM
  17. asherN's Avatar
    He has a point though. Instead of making toys for people who like to play around and waste time, BlackBerry is making tools for business users. BlackBerry devices are productivity powerhouses. Consumers don't want that. BlackBerry is building devices for intelligent users who need to get things done, they aren't going to sacrifice that.
    Oh please. The toys/tools argument is old and quite frankly, stupid. It just makes you sound like a brainwashed sheep. Enterprise is adopting iOS and Android in droves. I that because they just want to carry toys?

    We switched away from BB when our upgrades were available. A mixture of iPhone, Galaxy S5 and nexus 5. My productivity has not suffered. may even have increased. Because honestly, I like having multiple apps for multiple functions. GMAIL handles my personal accounts, the mail app handles my Exchange accounts. when I open the mail app, all there is there is business. And I don't have to see Twitter or Facebook unless I want to.
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    11-11-14 07:17 AM
  18. asherN's Avatar
    I'd rather debate the topic, but that argument always worms itself in the topic, and it's tiresome.

    How about Deloitte? Going iPhone for company provided devices. That Fortune 500 enough?
    And there is not a lot of difference between BYOD and company owned and distributed. In a lot of places, it's BYOD or nothing as it is seen as a cost cutting measure.

    So the argument that only BB produces Enterprise devices is done. BB produces good devices, but increasingly they are not quite good enough anymore.
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    11-11-14 02:22 PM
  19. Tre Lawrence's Avatar
    Bro. Every single one of your posts is a negative anti BlackBerry rant. You seem smart. Why are you here if you hate BlackBerry so much?
    Interesting interpretation.
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    11-11-14 02:24 PM
  20. sentimentGX4's Avatar
    Palm and Nokia went down the tubes. That happens too.
    Nokia didn't go "down the tubes". The company still exists apart from smartphones and its smartphone legacy (Lumia) is continued by Microsoft. This is in starch contrast to Palm, where the company no longer exists and there are no more Palm smartphones.

    Blackberry doing a Nokia would be Blackberry being a MDM company and a different company producing its BB10 smartphones. Blackberry doing a Palm would be a company that disappears from the face of the earth along with its products.
    11-11-14 02:30 PM
  21. Witmen's Avatar
    Has any smartphone company ever made a comeback after going from the top to the bottom? Let's see.

    Nokia - Bought by Microsoft.
    Palm - Bought by HP, then LG.
    Motorola - Bought by Google, then by Lenovo.

    I can't think of any smartphone company who went from having large market share to no market share and then made a comeback. Can anyone else? Just by looking at history, it seems more likely that BlackBerry will be bought by another company than make a comeback.
    11-11-14 02:43 PM
  22. tanzarian's Avatar
    BlackBerry has already turned around.

    Profit is about to start, their new concepts are succeeding and strategy is very focused. I am very confident in John Chen.
    11-11-14 02:54 PM
  23. The Big Picture's Avatar
    Has any smartphone company ever made a comeback after going from the top to the bottom? Let's see.

    Nokia - Bought by Microsoft.
    Palm - Bought by HP, then LG.
    Motorola - Bought by Google, then by Lenovo.

    I can't think of any smartphone company who went from having large market share to no market share and then made a comeback. Can anyone else? Just by looking at history, it seems more likely that BlackBerry will be bought by another company than make a comeback.
    We will revisit your point in 2-3 quarters, if nothing happens till then, nothing probably will. I think as it stands BlackBerry still has a chance to carve a profitable niche in the market.

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    11-11-14 02:55 PM
  24. TGR1's Avatar
    Has any smartphone company ever made a comeback after going from the top to the bottom? Let's see.

    Nokia - Bought by Microsoft.
    Palm - Bought by HP, then LG.
    Motorola - Bought by Google, then by Lenovo.

    I can't think of any smartphone company who went from having large market share to no market share and then made a comeback. Can anyone else? Just by looking at history, it seems more likely that BlackBerry will be bought by another company than make a comeback.
    FYI, there weren't that many pure smartphone vendors (Apple, RIM, HTC) until recently , now that dumbphones are an afterthought. As for phone vendors in general, losing profit has typically spelled the death knell of a company as a viable independent entity: Unforgiven: The consequences of profit failure in mobile phones | Asymco
    11-11-14 03:05 PM
  25. asherN's Avatar
    My understanding was Deloitte issues phones from every major manufactuer, letting employees choose which device/manufacturer they want, but they have to keep the phone for 2-3 years, the length is based on the cost of the device. They also allow BYOD.

    In this 7minute interview w/ Deloitte CIO Matt Peers he explains Deloitte's policies on phones in the workplace, security, and what the future looks like for their offerings. Pretty interesting watch for anyone tracking the enterprise issued vs BYOD policies:

    Deloitte's CIO on BYOD and collaboration - 22 Jan 2014 - Computing News
    Deloitte issues iPhones as a preference. All internal app development is done for iOS. They are relegating BB as a "if you must" device. meaning you need to beg for it and it's not all that well supported.

    Fortune 500 are moving away from BB. Can BB survive with just the PKB niche? I wish them well. But it is high time to drop the tools/toys argument, as well as the if you don't do BB you just don't care about security. Because frankly, that's the attitudes that led BB to where it's at now.
    11-12-14 10:48 AM
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