1. BergerKing's Avatar
    I stumbled across this article from yesterday on Forbes, and haven't seen it posted here yet. It seems to have a valid reason why there is no 4G iPhone yet, and if one were to take the next leap, why there isn't a 4G BlackBerry showing in the pipeline yet.


    I don't normally post on this forum, but I didn't see any others on this subject, thought ya'll might like to mull it over.


    Brian Caulfield
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    4G iPhone’s Chip Won’t Come In Until Early 2012
    Apr. 20 2011 - 7:12 pm | 8,080 views | 0 recommendations | 3 comments

    Apple can introduce an iPhone 5 any time — but a 4G handset won’t arrive before next year.

    Rumor has it the next-generation iPhone won’t arrive until September. If so, it won’t offer the crazy fast data speeds promised by next-generation 4G wireless* networks.

    That’s because access to the turbo-charged networks that make Verizon’s Thunderbolt handset crazy fast require a combination of chips Apple Chief Operating Officer Tim Cook said Wednesday Apple won’t use.

    In response to a question from Morgan Stanley analyst Katy Huberty on Apple’s quarterly earnings call Wednesday, Apple’s Cook said today’s 4G chips — which rely on a wireless technology dubbed Long Term Evolution (LTE) — don’t meet Apple’s needs.

    “The first generation of LTE chip-sets force a lot of design compromises with the handset, and some of those we are just not willing to make,” Cook says. Separately, Cook declined to talk about the timeline for introducing a new iPhone. “We never comment on unannounced products,” Cook said.

    Those chips won’t appear in handsets until next year, says Will Strauss, president of wireless chip tracker Forward Concepts. “They’re right that there’s nothing out there that fits the bill, and likely nothing will until the fourth quarter of this year,” Strauss says when asked about Cook’s remarks.

    The only 4G handset on the market in the United States, Verizon’s Thunderbolt, currently relies on a pair of chips to work. One chip, from Samsung, communicates with Verizon’s 4G networks, allowing the handset to achieve blazing data speeds of between 5 and 20 MBPS. Another chip, from Qualcomm, lets the handset talk to Verizon’s 3G network.

    That two chip solution is needed because Verizon’s 4G network isn’t widespread enough for the carriers to offer handsets that rely on 4G alone, Strauss explains. The solution: a new generation of chips that combine support for 4G and 3G on a single chip,allowing handset makers to offer slim handsets that don’t gobble up battery life.

    Chipmakers such as Qualcomm,, ST Ericcson, and Intel won’t begin offering customers samples of such chips until late this year. And those chips won’t begin appearing in handsets until next year, Strauss predicts. *As a result, there won’t be a 4G iPhone any earlier than that.

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    Last edited by BergerKing; 04-21-11 at 07:31 PM.
    04-21-11 06:45 PM
  2. jshrz's Avatar
    Yeah i would rather have a 3g iPhone 4 wit the sleek design. Besides the battery life isnt that great on the Thunderbolt
    04-21-11 07:09 PM
  3. BergerKing's Avatar
    Yeah i would rather have a 3g iPhone 4 wit the sleek design. Besides the battery life isnt that great on the Thunderbolt
    Makes sense. I know they mention the Thunderbolt by name, but I know some others that take a beating on battery life, probably for similar reasons, like Epic and Evo.

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    04-21-11 07:20 PM
  4. Fubaz's Avatar
    A lot of the guys I know with the. TBolt have an extended battery and get around 36 hours with HEAVY use.
    So I'd rather have a Tbolt than a sandbox toy.

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    04-21-11 08:11 PM
  5. chuckh0308's Avatar
    Once you have 4G on VZW, it would be very hard to go back to 3G. As an iPhone/Thunderbolt user it is even difficult to go to the AT&T 3G after using VZW LTE, but this decision by Apple will be less bothersome to AT&T iPhone users. Personally, I would rather have a thicker iPhone. I would anyway though...I HATE the thin race. Pretty soon you will need tweezers or a spatula to pick your phone up off the table!

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    04-21-11 09:43 PM
  6. jshrz's Avatar
    Once you have 4G on VZW, it would be very hard to go back to 3G. As an iPhone/Thunderbolt user it is even difficult to go to the AT&T 3G after using VZW LTE, but this decision by Apple will be less bothersome to AT&T iPhone users. Personally, I would rather have a thicker iPhone. I would anyway though...I HATE the thin race. Pretty soon you will need tweezers or a spatula to pick your phone up off the table!

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    do you use an extended battery?
    04-21-11 10:27 PM
  7. chuckh0308's Avatar
    do you use an extended battery?
    I do not. I did use one with my Blackberry though. I just ordered two of the extended slim fit batteries (1700 mAh) for the TB and I'm going to see how that goes. Admittedly, the battery life is a bit of a sore point (similar to iPhone 3G/3Gs, it seems), but it's not as bad as I was expecting and I do normally have access to an outlet of some sort if I need one. If I need to, I'll switch to the super extended battery later with no hesitation. I had one with my BlackBerry, and I loved it. Have one of those external packs for the iPhone and iPods for emergencies...lol!
    04-21-11 11:03 PM
  8. mark_rivers19's Avatar
    who needs a 4G smartphone when you have a 4G LTE tablet?
    with more and more people buying tablets/iPads, i don't see the same people spending more time with their smartphones... regardless of data Speed... unless of course.. they forgot their iPad/tablet or its battery just drained.

    Same goes for the BlackBerry user, who will eventually tie it with a Playbook.. or another tablet. with the way the playbook is set up now.. there's really no need to reach for your BlackBerry phone.
    you can argue that with a bluetooth headset, the BB can stay in your pocket until the time it needs to be Charge.
    04-21-11 11:29 PM
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