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I can't believe how civilized this thread has been. Great arguments, some good facts, and good opinions (of course my opinions are correct HA HA). Ok now let's go at er a little Harder..pri79269 likes this.02-10-12 05:23 AMLike 1 - Posters here should not be comparing Apple to RIM. RIM doesn't sell itself as an enlighten, ecological, environmentally friendly company trying to make the world a better place. My house is filled with Apple products partly for that reason. Todays majority of Apple purchasers are yesterdays M$ buyers who mostly never gave a damn about environmental/social issues. Am I going to stop buying Apple products? No, but I no longer sip the "think different" kool aid because as it turns out Apple is like every other company.02-10-12 06:24 AMLike 0
- If you read the whole thread that's exactly my point. I don't want put words in Xandermac's mouth, but I THINK he would agree also...
I can't believe how civilized this thread has been. Great arguments, some good facts, and good opinions (of course my opinions are correct HA HA). Ok now let's go at er a little Harder..
RIM hide the fact that their supply chain is rooted in China. On the outside everything looks lovely "Made in Mexico" "Canada" etc... Dig a little deeper (as we all should) and a different story presents itself. RIM are misleading their customers and keeping them ignorant of the actual problem and until these customers (of all manufacturers) wake up and ask "why" there won't be any substantial changes. Apple can't fix manufacturing alone, as long as people believe that they can they're actually letting all companies slide, including Apple.
Users should demand transparency. As long as there is a "Made in China" stamp hidden on the inside of my device I expect a little transparency, (Made where in China, by Whom and have you audited them? What is your policy on human right & working conditions etc...) especially if I'm going to make an issue of it publicly, lest look like a hypocrite when actual evidence is presented.
I know exactly where I stand with Apple because they're transparent.
Blackberry users have no idea where they stand because RIM hide this information from them. If they wish to remain blissfully ignorant and point fingers, that's up to them, nothing I can do about it. If they choose to ignore the made in China stamp hidden away on the inside of their devices, refuse to ask questions of RIM and demand some transparency, that's up to them, nothing I can do
It's up to all of us to demand better and expect more from all companies.
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pri79269 likes this.02-10-12 06:39 AMLike 1 - Apple.. HomeDepot.. Rim.. Samsung.. Walmart factory workers are all exploited, but Apple is the Class and Special. Apple's workers seems to be located in a Class II, Division 1, Group E area or Special occupancies (National Electrical Code 2011, Section 500 - Hazardous Classified locations) or CEC Section 18 with no protection for a combustible dust explosion to occur. 2 explosions within 6 months (May 2011 & Dec 2011) truly demonstrates what a Classy company has turned out to be.02-10-12 06:54 AMLike 0
- Apple.. HomeDepot.. Rim.. Samsung.. Walmart factory workers are all exploited, but Apple is the Class and Special. Apple's workers seems to be located in a Class II, Division 1, Group E area or Special occupancies (National Electrical Code 2011, Section 500 - Hazardous Classified locations) or CEC Section 18 with no protection for a combustible dust explosion to occur. 2 explosions within 6 months (May 2011 & Dec 2011) truly demonstrates what a Classy company has turned out to be.
#hypocrite #practicewhatyoupreach
Sent from my iPhone4s using Tapatalk02-10-12 07:01 AMLike 0 - Major Customers.
Foxconn manufactures products for companies including: (there are plenty more)
Acer Inc. (Taiwan)
Amazon.com (United States)
Apple Inc. (United States)
ASRock (Taiwan)
Asus (Taiwan)
Barnes & Noble (United States)
Cisco (United States)
Dell (United States)
EVGA Corporation (United States)
Hewlett-Packard (United States)
Intel (United States)
IBM (United States)
Lenovo (China)
Microsoft (United States)
MSI (Taiwan)
Motorola (United States)
Netgear (United States)
Nintendo (Japan)
Nokia (Finland)
Panasonic (Japan)
Samsung (South Korea)
Sharp (Japan)
Sony (Japan)
Sony Ericsson (Japan/Sweden)
Vizio (United States)
There were rumors in 2009 of RIM and Foxconn partnering. With flextronics Penang plant shutting down this now seems more likely. Not that many major ESMs to choose from these days.
There was talk about RIM investing in its own Malaysian plants but as they're down to 1.5 billion in cash they just do not have the money now and i'll guarantee they won't find outside investment.
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02-10-12 07:07 AMLike 0 - Every-time I see this kind of thread pop up I can't help but laugh a how naive can people be.
Protip: Corporations are profit-driven, period. If you believe that RIM is some kind of holier-than-thou company and Apple is just the villain you're dead wrong, both of them are evil, if you want it.
People bashing at Apple for company's policies is what driven apple, out of profit AGAIN, to announce that they actually DO something about labor conditions on China, Apple, and RIM for that matter, don't give a damn about that people, the only thing they care is how much money they can make this quarter.
If you believe that ANY corporation cares about ANYTHING but profits, you're just naive.02-10-12 07:43 AMLike 0 - yes most of the big time companys have connections to china and all those countrys over there.why do you think it is takeing the economy so long to rise this time around.the manufacturing jobs are all over seas now , us little americans cant find jobs to bring our own economy back..but dont worry george bush said the triccle down affect should take care of us americans right.02-10-12 08:02 AMLike 0
- Tre LawrenceBetween RealitiesEvery-time I see this kind of thread pop up I can't help but laugh a how naive can people be.
Protip: Corporations are profit-driven, period. If you believe that RIM is some kind of holier-than-thou company and Apple is just the villain you're dead wrong, both of them are evil, if you want it.
People bashing at Apple for company's policies is what driven apple, out of profit AGAIN, to announce that they actually DO something about labor conditions on China, Apple, and RIM for that matter, don't give a damn about that people, the only thing they care is how much money they can make this quarter.
If you believe that ANY corporation cares about ANYTHING but profits, you're just naive.
LOL... I don't own current Apple products and find it funny. The high-horsing is remarkable. They really believe that their "chosen" companies care about ethics.
If it was not so funny, it would be sad. I say they should keep making a stand for mankind by using RIM.
Wow.02-10-12 08:09 AMLike 0 - Tre LawrenceBetween Realities
Of course, it doesn't really count because "RIM doesn't make as much money as Apple" (which, for the record, is the SILLIEST excuse I have ever heard on CB).02-10-12 08:19 AMLike 0 - 02-10-12 08:30 AMLike 0
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- Haha that really was a funny video. I bookmarked it!
Can I make a suggestion though? This whole thread.. its good for discussion, but in the end I think both sides are looking for a win, and are craving it soo much. They want their argument to be heard and approved. We all know that's never going to happen...
There's been 8 pages already. How many more until you fulfill the need to want to be right?
I think it would help if everyone from the blackberry side and the apple side say one bad thing they dont like about their device, or a con, or just something that another device maybe can do better than each of your respective devices. If everyone just points out one thing, just one, about their own devices, and then say no more, we may be surprised at how much it may help the situation! It solves nothing to be yelling at each other. We all know that if it ever came down to it and the world was ending and by chance you were next to that other person, you know you'd work as a team to get through it. You're not actual enemies.
Ill start: I wish my 9700 had a better browser capabilites (OS6)
As for my Playbook: I wish they were a little more consistent with the hardware (dead pixels, lump on back, and whatever else) Still very usable, but still.
Next?02-10-12 11:14 AMLike 0 - Haha that really was a funny video. I bookmarked it!
Can I make a suggestion though? This whole thread.. its good for discussion, but in the end I think both sides are looking for a win, and are craving it soo much. They want their argument to be heard and approved. We all know that's never going to happen...
There's been 8 pages already. How many more until you fulfill the need to want to be right?
I think it would help if everyone from the blackberry side and the apple side say one bad thing they dont like about their device, or a con, or just something that another device maybe can do better than each of your respective devices. If everyone just points out one thing, just one, about their own devices, and then say no more, we may be surprised at how much it may help the situation! It solves nothing to be yelling at each other. We all know that if it ever came down to it and the world was ending and by chance you were next to that other person, you know you'd work as a team to get through it. You're not actual enemies.
Ill start: I wish my 9700 had a better browser capabilites (OS6)
As for my Playbook: I wish they were a little more consistent with the hardware (dead pixels, lump on back, and whatever else) Still very usable, but still.
Next?
Sent from my iPhone4s using Tapatalk02-10-12 11:26 AMLike 0 - This forum is soo annoying to me! I am soon sick of RIM bashing so I join a blackberry forum.. Nope still bashing . I'm glad apple is getting what is coming to them!.... And I don't want one of those gay comments like oh you have blinders on.
Yes post above is right! Maps SUCK on playbook! And browser I constantly hit a link when I am just trying to scroll! Uhh
IPhone is attached to the worst piece of software I have ever used! (itunes) i need folders and files for quick drag and drop.Last edited by shn; 02-10-12 at 01:07 PM.
sk8er_tor likes this.02-10-12 01:01 PMLike 1 -
Didn't think so.02-10-12 02:53 PMLike 0 - Absolutely. But shouldn't it say "made in china, assembled in mexico"?
Car manufacturers are required to specify what percentage of parts are made in China and also specify where the car was assembled. Why should it be any different for electronics manufacturers?
RIM try to mislead everybody by saying made in Mexico on the outside yet the internals clearly show it's actually made in China.
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At least RIM assembles in Mexico, Canada, and other countries where employees get paid and treated fairly. The same can't be said about Apple. EVERYTHING from Apple is made and assembled in China by slave labor.02-10-12 02:55 PMLike 0 - My fridge says Made in USA but do you think the steel, the comporessor, the hinges, etc all came from the USA? "Made in" is obviously the place that the components are assembled and made into a working product.
At least RIM assembles in Mexico, Canada, and other countries where employees get paid and treated fairly. The same can't be said about Apple. EVERYTHING from Apple is made and assembled in China by slave labor.02-10-12 03:38 PMLike 0 -
Please You're a clown.02-10-12 05:15 PMLike 0 -
- Flextronics is a major RIM partner. The folks clamoring for ethical practices here should research them. It's quite interesting.
Of course, it doesn't really count because "RIM doesn't make as much money as Apple" (which, for the record, is the SILLIEST excuse I have ever heard on CB).
/thread.02-10-12 05:22 PMLike 0 - Well, at least I tried. You guys should listen to yourselves.. you all sound ridiculous. No one has the upper hand in the conversation and no one will ever win. Its so pointless. I agree in the way it makes me frickin pissed off too.. but theres just no use anymore.02-10-12 06:40 PMLike 0
- saw this on twitter a few weeks back.
"Boycotting Apple for better Foxconn wages & conditions is like having sex for virginity. Entirely counter-productive�"
The Apple Boycott: People Are Spouting Nonsense about Chinese Manufacturing - Forbes
i kinda agree.02-10-12 09:19 PMLike 0
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