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The only thing that needs to be done is get the banks onboard but considering they love it when people spend money I don't think this would be a hard feat... Give Apple some competition or try and get in on the MCX and advise on the matter at hand. Scanning QR codes is a hassle and quite frankly ridiculous. They were popular like what, 1 year?
Just give me a system, that allows me input my debit card and connect to my bank (like online paying) that gives me the option to pay by tapping my phone, quick easy and secure.10-28-14 09:59 AMLike 0 -
Forget the term "Apple Pay" and substitute "NFC" instead.
The confusion has happened because of the way the media is reporting this. "Retailers disable Apple Pay" should have read "Retailers disable ALL NFC payment systems".kbz1960 likes this.10-28-14 10:02 AMLike 1 - Well you could use Google Wallet and Softcard(Isis) at the locations that accepted NFC based payments but CVS/Rite-Aid turned NFC off altogether to block Apple Pay.10-28-14 10:08 AMLike 0
- It wasn't functioning fine or even *at all* everywhere. My local cvs stores installed new hardware a year ago which is supposed to be NFC-capable, but nobody, including store managers, has been able to tell me how it works. Nobody knew how to set up an NFC account there so I can tap my NFC-enabled phone to pay, etc. I asked at multiple stores and nobody had a clue.
This was all before the release of the iPhone 6 so perhaps retailers are finally scrambling to learn how their own machines work now. *sigh*
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Had Google Wallet NFC (or a blackberry NFC payment system) been as popular the same would have happened as the MCX partner agreement forbids accepting those also. Other systems, however, failed to gain any traction. The market was waiting for Apple to get into the game and theirs was an instant success which terrified MCX.10-28-14 10:10 AMLike 0 - It wasn't functioning fine or even *at all* everywhere. My local cvs stores installed new hardware a year ago which is supposed to be NFC-capable, but nobody, including store managers, has been able to tell me how it works. Nobody knew how to set up an NFC account there so I can tap my NFC-enabled phone to pay, etc. I asked at multiple stores and nobody had a clue.
This was all before the release of the iPhone 6 so perhaps retailers are finally scrambling to learn how their own machines work now. *sigh*
Posted with my Q10, SQN100-2, 10.2.1.3253/3182 Radio10-28-14 10:16 AMLike 0 -
- No, they turned off NFC to block competing mobile payment systems per their MCX/CurrentC partner agreement. It just so happened that it was Apple Pay that brought the issue to the forefront.
Had Google Wallet NFC (or a blackberry NFC payment system) been as popular the same would have happened as the MCX partner agreement forbids accepting those also. Other systems, however, failed to gain any traction. The market was waiting for Apple to get into the game and theirs was an instant success which terrified MCX.southlander likes this.10-28-14 11:06 AMLike 1 - Of course if was to block ApplePay. Google Wallet existed for many months at MCX partner stores and MCX did nothing about it cause it had no marketshare due to device fragmentation and lack of partner cohesion. Same with Sofcard and the other NFC payment systems available on Android. Along comes the 800 pound gorilla and MCX thru its partners enforces its exclusivity provisions.
However, I'll go by the terms of MCX's partner agreement and the actual facts, myself... I wish it were just a direct attack on Apple Pay because the CurrentC app would have surely been banned from the App Store if that were the case, however, their partner agreement states "any competing mobile payment solution" of which Apple Pay just happens to be the most popular after 1 week!.
Expect the NFC terminals to be back on within a month.10-28-14 11:08 AMLike 0 -
Here is what you're missing, had it been to block only Apple Pay it would have been disabled in advance of Apple Pays launch. When MCX realized that their partners were accepting a competing payment solution, which they only caught wind of because of Apple Pay, they ordered those partners to turn off NFC. Everyone, including Apple, was the "collateral damage". Enforcing the "partner agreement" was the purpose and the sole reason MCX had the power to do it. Had the agreement not existed MCX wouldn't have had the power to tell individual retailers to "disable Apple Pay" let alone turn off all NFC terminals. The agreement doesn't say "You can't accept Apple Pay"...
Blocking competition, all competition, of which Apple is obviously the biggest, was the reason. Trust me, it won't last for long and if the affected parties can't work it out the banking regulators will and I know who they will side with....
I will grant you that Apple pay brought the issue to the forefront. That's because Apple is good at what it does.Last edited by xandermac; 10-28-14 at 11:30 AM.
10-28-14 11:17 AMLike 0 - Or sooner than that. Right now, CurrentC is being introduced to consumers as anti-privacy, clunky, and anti-consumer and the are months away from launching their system. It's an absolute PR disaster for MCX. If they don't allow their members to open up the NFC terminals again then CurrentC will be DOA before it arrives. Apple isn't even complaining about the retailers - they are letting the media skewer them and enjoying the free press for Apple Pay.xandermac likes this.10-28-14 11:23 AMLike 1
- Or sooner than that. Right now, CurrentC is being introduced to consumers as anti-privacy, clunky, and anti-consumer and the are months away from launching their system. It's an absolute PR disaster for MCX. If they don't allow their members to open up the NFC terminals again then CurrentC will be DOA before it arrives. Apple isn't even complaining about the retailers - they are letting the media skewer them and enjoying the free press for Apple Pay.
Twitter: xandermac10-28-14 11:32 AMLike 0 -
One benefit may be that the competition may eventually drive down credit card transaction charges. I may not even mind maintaining various payment options if I can keep them all in one place on my smartphone and track the charges with the Mint or Personal Capital app.10-28-14 11:58 AMLike 0 - Or sooner than that. Right now, CurrentC is being introduced to consumers as anti-privacy, clunky, and anti-consumer and the are months away from launching their system. It's an absolute PR disaster for MCX. If they don't allow their members to open up the NFC terminals again then CurrentC will be DOA before it arrives. Apple isn't even complaining about the retailers - they are letting the media skewer them and enjoying the free press for Apple Pay.10-28-14 11:59 AMLike 0
- I'd rather see BlackBerry create something similar. Apple Pay is merely an NFC tool. BlackBerry can create the exact same system and it will be accepted by every NFC terminal like Apple Pay.
The only thing that needs to be done is get the banks onboard but considering they love it when people spend money I don't think this would be a hard feat... Give Apple some competition or try and get in on the MCX and advise on the matter at hand. Scanning QR codes is a hassle and quite frankly ridiculous. They were popular like what, 1 year?
Just give me a system, that allows me input my debit card and connect to my bank (like online paying) that gives me the option to pay by tapping my phone, quick easy and secure.10-28-14 11:59 AMLike 0 - I also believe that retailers will eventually have to accept Apple Pay, but I'm not sure it will be so soon. Retailers REALLY hate paying transaction fees to the banks. This is pretty much their only chance at a competing payment system that they control. They have also put a lot of time and money into CurrentC. I think they will hold out until they have had at least a chance to roll out and promote CurrentC early next year.
In-depth look at CurrentC and the personal data they want to collect | iMore10-28-14 12:00 PMLike 0 - They'll have a lot of barriers to overcome considering the lack of security
In-depth look at CurrentC and the personal data they want to collect | iMore10-28-14 12:10 PMLike 0 - Yes, that's exactly it. You've hit the nail on the head without fact or reason. Good job.
Here is what you're missing, had it been to block only Apple Pay it would have been disabled in advance of Apple Pays launch. When MCX realized that their partners were accepting a competing payment solution, which they only caught wind of because of Apple Pay, they ordered those partners to turn off NFC. Everyone, including Apple, was the "collateral damage". Enforcing the "partner agreement" was the purpose and the sole reason MCX had the power to do it. Had the agreement not existed MCX wouldn't have had the power to tell individual retailers to "disable Apple Pay" let alone turn off all NFC terminals. The agreement doesn't say "You can't accept Apple Pay"...
Blocking competition, all competition, of which Apple is obviously the biggest, was the reason. Trust me, it won't last for long and if the affected parties can't work it out the banking regulators will and I know who they will side with....
I will grant you that Apple pay brought the issue to the forefront. That's because Apple is good at what it does.10-28-14 12:11 PMLike 0 - Another possibility is that retailers will split into: 1) high-margin/high-convenience models that support Apple Pay; and 2) low-margin/less convenience models that offer only retailer-driven mobile payments.
Most retailers would be loathe to be pigeon-holed into the low-margin segment but if they are already turning down Apple Pay because they don't want to continue to pay credit card fees then they are signaling that customer service isn't their main priority. There's nothing wrong with that - I do most of my shopping at Costco which doesn't accept any major credit cards. However, if I'm going to buy coffee, lunch, or toothpaste, I'm going to value the convenience of Apple Pay.10-28-14 12:24 PMLike 0 - The retailer didn't even know that much. I don't keep banking info in my phone and wouldn't know the first thing about how to go about it. I don't use PayPal either, and I pay for apps via carrier billing. So this is all very new to me, and I had no idea who to ask. But I did think the retailers should know enough about their system to guide me in the right direction. Untrue, sad to say.
Its not up to the retailer to set up your NFC account. Its up to the consumer to set up their own preferred NFC payment system on their device, then it would have worked at CVS terminals. Not sure what options there are for BB users other than individual bank NFC payment apps.10-28-14 01:21 PMLike 0
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