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  1. Johnly's Avatar
    ETFs are high. Apple os is nice...no doubt.
    Wow, and yes one does understand being under contract.
    09-29-10 07:05 PM
  2. Saiga's Avatar
    Well, that's just wrong. the iPhone is available from all major carriers in Canada, and Android came AFTER. Now, it's footings are beginning to take hold with more and more devices beind adopted and brought here daily. I still see more iPhones than Androids (and that's largely due to the best ones being CDMA devices, which is absolute sh*t) but it's starting to sway.

    And why would you be proud to say you've never owned an Apple product? Why would you be proud of ignorance? I love Apple, I love OS X. Having used the iPhone and every Apple product since the Performa - excluding the iPad - I can safely say I don't enjoy iOS in the slightest, because I've actually TRIED the product.

    Not using something just further concretes your complete lack of knowledge on the subject matter, and makes you look like a fool because you don't even know why you don't like it. Once you try it, then you can say "this is why I did / didn't like it.."

    This is exactly why I GOT my Android device.
    Uhm I know exactly why I don't like Apple products. I don't need to purchase one to know why I don't like Apple products. I don't like the restrictions! They've always been that way. My first computer was a TRS-80, before I bought it I looked at a mac, I tried it for about 30 mins. That was enough time with Apple products for me. It's not like they've changed their thinking. Why would I need to purchase one? I already know that I don't want to be told how I can and cannot use what I pay for.


    Your avatar has a black turtle neck and blue jeans. lol that's kinda sad.
    09-29-10 07:06 PM
  3. stuaw11's Avatar
    Polls have shown that close to 25% of current AT&T iPhone users would consider jumping to Verizon if they offered the iPhone. That's not a guarantee of jumping ship of course, since it's assumed most of them are under contract.
    That kind of poll really means nothing. Thats more the "hopes and desires" of people before the reality sets in theyre already in a contract and have to pay an ETF or full price when theyre currently on VZW. 25% might HOPE to change to VZW for the iphone, but I highly suspect the number is much much lower.

    Note: It was also only a poll of 1000 people. While statistically significant, it surely doesnt represent the 8 million or what not iphone users on ATT.

    And if you really think about it even 25% of ATT iphone users isnt a ton of bricks hit to ATT either. 1-2 million maybe? It surely wouldnt be the end of ATT or anything.
    09-29-10 08:22 PM
  4. stuaw11's Avatar
    Uhm I know exactly why I don't like Apple products. I don't need to purchase one to know why I don't like Apple products. I don't like the restrictions! They've always been that way. My first computer was a TRS-80, before I bought it I looked at a mac, I tried it for about 30 mins. That was enough time with Apple products for me. It's not like they've changed their thinking. Why would I need to purchase one? I already know that I don't want to be told how I can and cannot use what I pay for.


    Your avatar has a black turtle neck and blue jeans. lol that's kinda sad.
    To be fair here there are restrictions on other platforms to:

    BB- Why do you pay $30 for BB data and only get a glorified inbox with no folder support, limited Google contact and calendar sync (no other services), no Exchange support etc? So you have to pay $15 more per month AND have access to a BES server (or pay even more for hosted BES) to get features other platforms give out of the box for that same $30/month?

    Limited RAM which needs to hold all data, apps, etc on the device. 624mhz processor in their new "competitor" device? Really? Why only 5 year old QVGA resolution still?

    Android- ATT/manufacturers removing side-loading of apps. VZW's recent questionable restrictions and removal of google Search for Bing. Total fragmentation of the platform- what version of Android, what skin, etc etc. Who decides what devices stay on what version and what gets upgraded? (remember Android is open source and free/no license costs so there's no excuse on cost)

    ALL platforms tell you how they think you should use your device and put clear restrictions on. You just dont clearly see it happening and only towards Apple out of personal hate.
    Last edited by stuaw11; 09-29-10 at 08:29 PM.
    09-29-10 08:25 PM
  5. Johnly's Avatar
    To be fair here there are restrictions on other platforms to:

    BB- Why do you pay $30 for BB data and only get a glorified inbox with no folder support, limited Google contact and calendar sync (no other services), no Exchange support etc? So you have to pay $15 more per month AND have access to a BES server (or pay even more for hosted BES) to get features other platforms give out of the box for that same $30/month?

    Limited RAM which needs to hold all data, apps, etc on the device. 624mhz processor in their new "competitor" device? Really? Why only 5 year old QVGA resolution still?

    Android- ATT/manufacturers removing side-loading of apps. VZW's recent questionable restrictions and removal of google Search for Bing. Total fragmentation of the platform- what version of Android, what skin, etc etc. Who decides what devices stay on what version and what gets upgraded? (remember Android is open source and free/no license costs so there's no excuse on cost)

    ALL platforms tell you how they think you should use your device and put clear restrictions on. You just dont clearly see it happening and only towards Apple out of personal hate.
    You sir, sound like you work for apple, and at&t, hehe. By restriction, he means third parties can jump in. jobs calls it fragmentation...the rest of us call it un restriction and freedom! Having a OS that can be manipulated is so liberating...that's why androids have flavor (fragmentation if your jobs lol) we prefer it that way it is a good thing! I shopped networks and phones recently (yes at&t and the I phone 4) conversely, I chose android on verizon (sgs) because it is superior. Sorry bud, we all have opinions, and yours is wrong until it is referring to you. You can say why you think people are wrong, and tell them why too...but I can assure you, they still have the same opinion post your argument. Bottom line, only you are right for your own needs. I think you confused my earlier post. I was not referring to data plans. Apple demands a share of each device sold. No one else manufacturing phones does that. That is why verizon skips on that device source verizon manager 15 years. I never see people defend something so much as the iphone. No doubt apple still has loyalty...but plenty of people will pass on it too, no matter the network (I did!)
    09-30-10 01:37 AM
  6. thinkamp's Avatar
    I use to want the iphone really bad, but now after owning a Droid X I don't think I could downgrade to such a small screen.
    09-30-10 07:43 AM
  7. TrendyProfessional1's Avatar
    You sir, sound like you work for apple, and at&t, hehe. By restriction, he means third parties can jump in. jobs calls it fragmentation...the rest of us call it un restriction and freedom! Having a OS that can be manipulated is so liberating...that's why androids have flavor (fragmentation if your jobs lol) we prefer it that way it is a good thing! I shopped networks and phones recently (yes at&t and the I phone 4) conversely, I chose android on verizon (sgs) because it is superior. Sorry bud, we all have opinions, and yours is wrong until it is referring to you. You can say why you think people are wrong, and tell them why too...but I can assure you, they still have the same opinion post your argument. Bottom line, only you are right for your own needs. I think you confused my earlier post. I was not referring to data plans. Apple demands a share of each device sold. No one else manufacturing phones does that. That is why verizon skips on that device source verizon manager 15 years. I never see people defend something so much as the iphone. No doubt apple still has loyalty...but plenty of people will pass on it too, no matter the network (I did!)
    I agree a lot with what he said it is the freedom to do what you want with your phone.....
    Devices are catching up to if not surpassing the iphone......

    I use to want the iphone really bad, but now after owning a Droid X I don't think I could downgrade to such a small screen.
    The screen size of the new iphone 4 is defintely a turn off.
    But one thing for sure I would say. If there was not an iphone
    we would still be playing with some lousy flip phone.....
    For that you have to give credit where credit is due.
    09-30-10 09:56 AM
  8. GlitchZero's Avatar
    Uhm I know exactly why I don't like Apple products. I don't need to purchase one to know why I don't like Apple products. I don't like the restrictions! They've always been that way. My first computer was a TRS-80, before I bought it I looked at a mac, I tried it for about 30 mins. That was enough time with Apple products for me. It's not like they've changed their thinking. Why would I need to purchase one? I already know that I don't want to be told how I can and cannot use what I pay for.


    Your avatar has a black turtle neck and blue jeans. lol that's kinda sad.
    This post alone tells me you know literally nothing about OS X or Macs, or really anything except what you've heard other people mumble about the iOS. Though, I really doubt you looked at a Mac while you were purchasing a TRS-80, seeing as it was released in 1977, and discontinued in 1981 - combined with the fact that the first Macintosh computer wasn't publicly available until 1984.

    But bravo on attempting to look like you tried something 30 years ago that in no way resembles what's available today. And your right, nothing has changed in a technology-based company in over a quarter of a century. [/sarcasm]

    Also, it's a hoodie. The fact that you can't tell the difference is just further illustrating what a low level your brain functions at.
    Last edited by GlitchZero; 09-30-10 at 11:05 AM.
    09-30-10 10:57 AM
  9. shoshyy's Avatar
    Hello,
    Sir You gave very nice information you are right but i think that iphone is also good in some matters. by the way we have so many different different type of apps for iphones you can download best quotes. Browse the App Store for games and apps for business, entertainment, and more.

    thanks!!
    09-30-10 03:26 PM
  10. Johnly's Avatar
    No doubt the iPhone is nice....and good in plenty of matters The App store is amazing, and still the best. I could go on why I didn't get one, but that is crap. As long as we are happy with our phones...FTW.
    09-30-10 04:27 PM
  11. Johnly's Avatar
    I agree a lot with what he said it is the freedom to do what you want with your phone.....
    Devices are catching up to if not surpassing the iphone......



    The screen size of the new iphone 4 is defintely a turn off.
    But one thing for sure I would say. If there was not an iphone
    we would still be playing with some lousy flip phone.....
    For that you have to give credit where credit is due.
    That is the thing about apple that bothers me. It is apple from head to toe...nothing else, but that ecosystem. I have heard all the reasons why that is good (security) (protection) (unification) (magic) (dreamy) I just don't buy into that. It disturbs me on so many levels.

    The phone itself is amazing, and so is the OS. It is the policy's and the company behind the product that I just don't care to support. I still have an iTunes account, and multiple apple devices, but that was before I knew more about world economics. Can you imagine if this world was like that? One ecosystem, one government ruling all that you could do? No other entities allowed in? No team work, no incorporation of open source projects that we can use to improve our results based on our PERSONAL experience? That is the apple experience, a closed ecosystem, with a big corporation at the helm, listening to NO ONE.

    The ecosystem is nice, yes. The magic can't be stripped away by another company, say adobe for a quick example, yes (as jobs would say,) but all those things are why I don't like apple. Yes, the products are overpriced, and you can always find a piece of tech that will do the same thing for much less, with similar hardware, but that is nothing to consider....I just despise the fact that apple thinks they should be it, have it their way, and try to keep all the other (really talented players off the field) yuck.

    I am glad apple exist though...and I am glad that people feel differently than I do about it too. I am sure someone reading this is going to swell up with some reactions, and that is fine, that is American, and that is open source.
    09-30-10 04:42 PM
  12. weblou's Avatar
    So i been reading this post and see a lot about how apple has restriction compared to Android and BB. I haven't played much with android device since there almost none existent where im from.

    Could someone please tell me o better explain to me what are all the restrictions about?
    What dois a droid do that ip4 can't because it's restricted?

    Thanks for the help
    09-30-10 04:47 PM
  13. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    So i been reading this post and see a lot about how apple has restriction compared to Android and BB. I haven't played much with android device since there almost none existent where im from.

    Could someone please tell me o better explain to me what are all the restrictions about?
    What dois a droid do that ip4 can't because it's restricted?

    Thanks for the help
    Carriers and manufacturers have been loading the phones with stuff. For example, Motorola with Motoblur, HTC with Sense, and Samsung with Touchwiz. Some people just prefer the original Android skin. I believe the skins are unremoveable without rooting the phone. Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and AT&T have also both been loading the phones with unremoveable apps. I believe both have also restricted purchasing apps from Android Market and nowhere else. Furthermore, people in certain countries cannot buy paid apps from Android Market. I believe there's other stuff, but don't remember at the moment.
    09-30-10 05:55 PM
  14. weblou's Avatar
    Ok cool but for example me an ip4 usser. What do I lose because of apples restriction that android and bb users are getting?
    I have a laptop that runs w7, I have an iMac, I have a bb and an iPhone.
    And honestly I never felt these "apple restriction" so I'm just wondering why do so many people compain about this? Maybe i don't get to involved with my "toys" to notice this?


    Carriers and manufacturers have been loading the phones with stuff. For example, Motorola with Motoblur, HTC with Sense, and Samsung with Touchwiz. Some people just prefer the original Android skin. I believe the skins are unremoveable without rooting the phone. Verizon, T-Mobile, Sprint, and AT&T have also both been loading the phones with unremoveable apps. I believe both have also restricted purchasing apps from Android Market and nowhere else. Furthermore, people in certain countries cannot buy paid apps from Android Market. I believe there's other stuff, but don't remember at the moment.
    09-30-10 06:31 PM
  15. pixel8rberry's Avatar
    I say 2012
    Mayans knew, THEY KNEW!
    10-01-10 02:34 PM
  16. Roo Zilla's Avatar
    Ok cool but for example me an ip4 usser. What do I lose because of apples restriction that android and bb users are getting?
    I have a laptop that runs w7, I have an iMac, I have a bb and an iPhone.
    And honestly I never felt these "apple restriction" so I'm just wondering why do so many people compain about this? Maybe i don't get to involved with my "toys" to notice this?
    Well, Apple's app restrictions have gotten looser recently. Previously the Google Voice apps were disallowed, but now they're in there. You can't get apps with porn or semi-porn on them, they don't allow apps that turn your phone into a WiFi hotspot (probably more of an AT&T restriction), apps that alter the UI like Winterboard, and a few other categories of apps. For the vast majority, it's not going to matter. If you compare the restrictions with something like BB, you really won't notice, especially since those restrictions are on the SDK side.
    10-01-10 03:41 PM
  17. weblou's Avatar
    @Roo once again bro thanks .
    I see what your saying honestly I don't care about any of those restriction lol. But i guess for the people that do care they could JB there iphones and get most of these right? personally maybe the only restriction would be itunes (which i like).
    IMO anyone that thinks that there phones are not restricted oneway or another is out of there minds lol.
    10-01-10 04:31 PM
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