1. grahamf's Avatar
    Apple to offer universal, SIM-less iPhone in Europe?
    Verizon Wireless Said to Start Offering IPhone in January

    Combining these rumors, Apple could possibly offer an iPhone with bot CDMA and GSM chips in it, and allow the user to choose who to use as a carrier. Motorola and Blackberry already offer dual-mode phones, so Apple Can easily do this.

    This would mean that this theoretical iPhone could be activated on Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T (T-Mobile's a maybe) seamlessly despite the network differences.

    Thoughts?
    10-31-10 12:58 AM
  2. BryanTheRed's Avatar
    Unless Apple plays the same game RIM does and makes the 2 of the same phone with different frequency bands.... You might see this phone when LTE rolls out, not before!
    10-31-10 07:06 AM
  3. grahamf's Avatar
    Unless Apple plays the same game RIM does and makes the 2 of the same phone with different frequency bands.... You might see this phone when LTE rolls out, not before!
    However Apple also wants zero confusion, and being able to take your new iPhone to Sprint or AT&T means that those three would actually try to have decent plans.
    10-31-10 11:46 AM
  4. crackvegas78's Avatar
    However Apple also wants zero confusion, and being able to take your new iPhone to Sprint or AT&T means that those three would actually try to have decent plans.
    That is a very good point about Apple. Apple really is a unique company in the way that they operate and their product line is a reflection of that. I would think that Apple and more importantly Steve would very much want a universal iPhone that can be used on any carrier. Not to mention that Apple wants to take as much power as possible away from carriers and this would be another step in that direction.
    10-31-10 01:09 PM
  5. BryanTheRed's Avatar
    However Apple also wants zero confusion, and being able to take your new iPhone to Sprint or AT&T means that those three would actually try to have decent plans.
    Do you ever visit tipb.com? Insiders are already saying the SIMless/chipless phone that would support more than one carrier wouldn't be out until 2012 in the next generation of iPhone. Of course thats speculation I guess we should actually get the Verizon iPhone officially announced first....
    10-31-10 05:03 PM
  6. fabuloso's Avatar
    Apple to offer universal, SIM-less iPhone in Europe?
    Verizon Wireless Said to Start Offering IPhone in January

    Combining these rumors, Apple could possibly offer an iPhone with bot CDMA and GSM chips in it, and allow the user to choose who to use as a carrier. Motorola and Blackberry already offer dual-mode phones, so Apple Can easily do this.

    This would mean that this theoretical iPhone could be activated on Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T (T-Mobile's a maybe) seamlessly despite the network differences.

    Thoughts?
    It could be done, but on the GSM side, the only downfall is the frequencies used by their respective carriers. CDMA, would be hard because even though Sprint roams off VZW towers, it would be hard to do this type of cross-carrier use with CDMA brands because of how they are built.

    Though, this was already done with such phones as the Nexus 1 and some Nokia brands, Apple probably won't want to do it, as it would cost carriers more to have other bands put in, only to lose revenue because people are jumping ship.
    11-02-10 02:57 AM
  7. grahamf's Avatar
    It could be done, but on the GSM side, the only downfall is the frequencies used by their respective carriers. CDMA, would be hard because even though Sprint roams off VZW towers, it would be hard to do this type of cross-carrier use with CDMA brands because of how they are built.

    Though, this was already done with such phones as the Nexus 1 and some Nokia brands, Apple probably won't want to do it, as it would cost carriers more to have other bands put in, only to lose revenue because people are jumping ship.
    What do the carriers have to do?
    Apple just has to make the iP compatible with everyone's networks, then the carriers will provide Apple with the connection/activation information/system if they want the iPhone on their network.
    11-02-10 10:11 AM
  8. CASH's Avatar
    Apple to offer universal, SIM-less iPhone in Europe?
    Verizon Wireless Said to Start Offering IPhone in January

    Combining these rumors, Apple could possibly offer an iPhone with bot CDMA and GSM chips in it, and allow the user to choose who to use as a carrier. Motorola and Blackberry already offer dual-mode phones, so Apple Can easily do this.

    This would mean that this theoretical iPhone could be activated on Verizon, Sprint, and AT&T (T-Mobile's a maybe) seamlessly despite the network differences.

    Thoughts?
    Why would T-Mobile be a maybe? Do you mean if Apple decides to have it work on their 3G/HSPA bands?
    Last edited by CASH; 11-05-10 at 05:22 PM.
    11-05-10 05:11 PM
  9. grahamf's Avatar
    WHy would T-Mobile be a maybe? Do you mean if Apple decides to have it work on their 3G/HSPA bands?
    There has been no rumours of an AWS iPhone. hence the maybe.
    11-05-10 05:14 PM
  10. CASH's Avatar
    It could be done, but on the GSM side, the only downfall is the frequencies used by their respective carriers. CDMA, would be hard because even though Sprint roams off VZW towers, it would be hard to do this type of cross-carrier use with CDMA brands because of how they are built.

    Though, this was already done with such phones as the Nexus 1 and some Nokia brands, Apple probably won't want to do it, as it would cost carriers more to have other bands put in, only to lose revenue because people are jumping ship.
    There was no universal N1.

    Carriers don't manufacture iPhones (I think Samsung). If anything it would cost Apple or whomever assembled the iPhones more money.
    11-05-10 05:21 PM
  11. MobileMadness002's Avatar
    However Apple also wants zero confusion, and being able to take your new iPhone to Sprint or AT&T means that those three would actually try to have decent plans.
    Or, Apple could just say they will sell the phone without having the carrier involved. Leaving them to have total control of the sales channels and just leave the carriers to their own vices to fight amongst themselves.

    This could start to pave the way for total prepaid services like Europe has.
    11-05-10 05:29 PM
  12. CASH's Avatar
    Can someone, the OP perhaps, please explain to me what exactly a universal phone is? Does that mean it's compatible with all worldwide carriers' radio and data bands?

    Every cellular frequency known to man? Just the major ones?
    11-05-10 05:30 PM
  13. CASH's Avatar
    Or, Apple could just say they will sell the phone without having the carrier involved. Leaving them to have total control of the sales channels and just leave the carriers to their own vices to fight amongst themselves.

    This could start to pave the way for total prepaid services like Europe has.
    That is totally Jobs-esque. Would be nice (possibly better) too, for all manufacturers. Sony Ericsson did this with the Xperia X10.
    11-05-10 06:11 PM
  14. A93hunt's Avatar
    Reply to OP, I agree with you that t-mobile is a maybe carrier. But with their new mytouch hd commercials, the chance of them getting the iPhone is zero. They pretty much trashed the iPhone on tv.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    11-05-10 10:16 PM
  15. grahamf's Avatar
    Can someone, the OP perhaps, please explain to me what exactly a universal phone is? Does that mean it's compatible with all worldwide carriers' radio and data bands?

    Every cellular frequency known to man? Just the major ones?
    More or less. Think of it as a blackberry storm, but with a pentaband hspa modem so it works on AT&T's and T-Mobile's 3G networks.

    Posted from my CrackBerry at wapforums.crackberry.com
    11-05-10 11:48 PM
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